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Some people just have way too much money. If  you really want to feel good about yourself, throw some money towards a children's hospital and give somebody who is not fucked up yet, a chance to live.

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Live and let live...

 

Personally, I think Tom Gabel/Laura Jane Grace kicks rock-and-roll ass in either gender. ...and I think the new drummer looks really happy to be on Letterman.
 

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Do you think they will put him in a woman prison or a mans?

 

Maybe that is his motive. hahahahhaha

 

I Worked As A Correction Officer for A Few Years...

If He Has Junk Still Attached, He Will Be Going To Men's Prison.

Trust Me, He Would Get All He Can Handle There...

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I actually watched a the Kardashian show a few days ago.  It was taped during the time that the kids had just found out.  They're all grieving because it feels like a death in the family to them and they had no idea this was coming.  They heard it from the media first.  I found myself feeling sorry for them because they are losing their father.  They asked him if he wanted to be with men or women or which one he was attracted to.  He stated that as a man, he was attracted to women but if he becomes a woman, he would be attracted to men.  

 

This is my unpopular opinion on the matter.  I don't believe that God makes mistakes.  Period.  I don't believe that people are born in the wrong bodies.  I do not see that what Bruce has done is in any way heroic or brave. I will never consider him a woman because he is biologically a male, regardless of how he dresses or what he calls himself.  I also believe that what other people choose to do is their business, but when it's all over the freaking news and shoved down my throat, it unfortunately becomes my business. I'd rather not know about such things.  I'm sick to death of hearing about it and seeing it all over the media. 

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Thank you @@BurnnBright

I kinda tried to say that but you did a much better job of it.

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I actually watched a the Kardashian show a few days ago. It was taped during the time that the kids had just found out. They're all grieving because it feels like a death in the family to them and they had no idea this was coming. They heard it from the media first. I found myself feeling sorry for them because they are losing their father. They asked him if he wanted to be with men or women or which one he was attracted to. He stated that as a man, he was attracted to women but if he becomes a woman, he would be attracted to men.

 

This is my unpopular opinion on the matter. I don't believe that God makes mistakes. Period. I don't believe that people are born in the wrong bodies. I do not see that what Bruce has done is in any way heroic or brave. I will never consider him a woman because he is biologically a male, regardless of how he dresses or what he calls himself. I also believe that what other people choose to do is their business, but when it's all over the freaking news and shoved down my throat, it unfortunately becomes my business. I'd rather not know about such things. I'm sick to death of hearing about it and seeing it all over the media.

I respect your convictions BB though I disagree with respect. The media is mirror of our society. You may not have to agree with the message but in the end it doesn't matter for they got your attention regardless. People like the Kardashians would not exist if we all turned off the TV. It's like a car crash. You maybe horrified but you always slow down to look.

 

One thing I know is God loves everyone regardless.

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I respect your convictions BB though I disagree with respect. The media is mirror of our society. You may not have to agree with the message but in the end it doesn't matter for they got your attention regardless. People like the Kardashians would not exist if we all turned off the TV. It's like a car crash. You maybe horrified but you always slow down to look.

 

One thing I know is God loves everyone regardless.

Mr Pete,

While it is true that the media is a mirror of our society that mirror is often times distorted and the content may be true but grossly exaggerated

Obviously transgender people exist but not in the numbers that are portrayed in the media and on TV.

An example:  Hollywood and the TV media exaggerating the prevalence of the number of gay couples with adopted children and trying to  convince everyone that this is a Modern Family.

I challenge everyone who reads this to count the number of "Modern Families" in their neighborhood or if they even know of 1 of these types of relationships and would wager that the number is very small if at all.

I have noticed that nearly every movie that has been released in the last 5 years has some reference to gay or lesbian activities even if it doesn't add to the plot.  I view this as an attempt by a very small minority to desensitize their viewers to accepting gay and lesbian relationships as mainstream . . . . . .I'm not bashing the gay and lesbian community in any way ( I'm actually rather fond of lesbians . . :whistle:) i'm just saying that the TV media warps things to meet an agenda they have. So to make the statement that the media is a mirror of our society i would tend to disagree. The media attempts to control the way people think about things and you have already stated the solution to keeping them from trying to control our thoughts . . . . . ."turn off the TV"  and they wont get your attention.  

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The media is mirror of our society.

-18,000,000,000,000  Bull fucking shit.. the media creates it... inflames it and promotes it till it becomes normal.

 

 They asked him if he wanted to be with men or women or which one he was attracted to.  He stated that as a man, he was attracted to women but if he becomes a woman, he would be attracted to men. 

So in other words he is just a pervert?

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Well. If it makes him/her happy then its none of my business. If his drivers license says female then that is that. Only thing that bugs me is all the media attention and how so-called 'brave' he/she is.

The problem with it not being any of our business is...  they are making it our business. Kind of hard not to hear about it if you have a TV or Internet. Why do I have to hear about it?

 

If the world knew I loved Gay Midget porn because they hear it on XI..... that is none of their business. If I call Fox News, CNN and MSNBC and say I love Gay Midget Porn and the world soon finds out... I pretty much made it your business.

 

If I have picture of myself watching Gay Midget porn splatted all over a popular mag and it gets all over the news.... I again am making it everyone business.

 

Attention seeking bastard much like we are. ;)

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My sentiments exactly by Brian Lowry

Transgender activists have expressed understandable concern about the “spectacle”-like coverage surrounding Bruce Jenner, which will be punctuated by ABC News’ two-hour Diane Sawyer interview on April 24.

Yet whatever else is happening in Jenner’s life, the publicity must be viewed through the prism of the Kardashian-Jenner Industrial Complex, where virtually nothing happens by accident and the circus is always in town. The frenzy that perpetually surrounds all things Kardashian — having chosen to live entirely within the spotlight, dispensing with any notions of privacy — renders Jenner an imperfect spokesperson or icon for an issue that requires seriousness or sensitivity.

Using their E! series as the centerpiece of Kardashians Inc., the family has embraced a “Famous for being famous” mentality that has become as lucrative as it is unavoidable. Moreover, everyone who passes within their sphere gets drawn into this maelstrom, where it appears to be ordained on high that at least one member of the clan is featured in the pages of US Weekly in every single issue.

In terms of the Kardashian sisters, the men within their lives all come with pop-culture or public resumes of one degree or another. The carnival-like atmosphere is never-ending, with 10-week marriages, relationship strife, run-ins with paparazzi (through a veil of crocodile tears) and rehab all part of a gumbo that has spawned four spinoffs beyond “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” and where weddings are viewed as made-for-TV stunts.

Jenner participated in that as the often seemingly detached husband of matriarch Kris Jenner, a role that in this context carries more currency as a claim to media fame than winning an Olympic gold medal in the decathlon nearly 40 years ago. Attention and notoriety via reality TV has also extended to the Jenner kids, such as son Brody, who is described as a “sex enthusiast” in E!’s announcement of his upcoming call-in talkshow “Sex With Brody,” which at least exhibits creativity in turning an avocation into a full-time job.

Against that backdrop, the Sawyer interview — which ABC is promoting with a sense of urgency one wishes the network brought with any regularity to, well, news — isn’t merely representative of Jenner’s journey but will inevitably be filtered through the public-relations machine over which the Kardashians preside. And that can’t help but enhance perceptions of Jenner as an object of tabloid curiosity, becoming just one more unexpected plot twist in the ongoing Kardashian soap opera.

From a distance, Jenner would be an ideal candidate to bring transgender issues into focus, as a widely recognizable celebrity who parlayed his flag-waving athletic accomplishments into a media career. But the years spent marinating within the Petri dish of Kardashian-land virtually ensure that this story will be infused with the kind of tabloid tenacity that governs everything else pertaining to the family. Nor would ABC News be handling the interview in such a breathless manner — and devoting such a sizable chunk of primetime to it — if the network didn’t recognize its value in rippling through the ecosystem devoted to chronicling the extended clan’s every hiccup.

In ABC’s latest 30-second tease, Jenner expresses concern about his family, which can’t help but sound laughable under the circumstances. Given their symbiotic relationship with media, it’s hard to envision how anything that generates scads of attention about the Kardashians could possibly damage them.

As the New York Post noted, Kris Jenner has been especially shrewd in monetizing her progeny (hence the odious term “momager”), tapping into an appetite for sensationalism that’s certainly not new but is more inexhaustible and hungrier in this fast-paced modern age, turning it into a gold mine as profitable as it is toxic. Bruce Jenner might have been just one player amid that cast of characters, but if the coverage already is any indication of what’s to come, there’s simply no way to gracefully pull oneself out of the Kardashian quicksand.

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Its just one of those shitty phases the media go through. When Kim Kardasians magazine photo which I think everyone has seen at this stage. The media worldwide were covering it so much it was just all over social media and something historic happened on that day too, we actually landed a probe on a moving comet........but no Kim Kardasians photo is much more important according to the media.

 

That Bruce Jenner photo is just another example of how these shitty photo shoots that the media are covering is just a huge distraction away from current politics and serious events from the public.

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I have noticed that nearly every movie that has been released in the last 5 years has some reference to gay or lesbian activities even if it doesn't add to the plot.  I view this as an attempt by a very small minority to desensitize their viewers to accepting gay and lesbian relationships as mainstream . . . . . .I'm not bashing the gay and lesbian community in any way ( I'm actually rather fond of lesbians . . :whistle:)

 

So actually you are just one of those very narrow minded people wo don`t think two people of the same gender can be a couple. That minority does a great job trying to desentisize the stigma on ''those gays'' who just want to live their normal life, just like you. Without being bashed, called names, killed or what so ever.

Let me tell you something; My relationship is just as mainstream as yours, ok, i fuck dudes, so what? I`m fucking not doing you, do i? As long as there are people like you ''we'' need it to be shown on TV and movie.... Brace yourself---> It exists, its real and it`s mainstream..... 

Not bashing? You know you are and you liking lesbians for that just makes you a fucking perv........

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So actually you are just one of those very narrow minded people wo don`t think two people of the same gender can be a couple. That minority does a great job trying to desentisize the stigma on ''those gays'' who just want to live their normal life, just like you. Without being bashed, called names, killed or what so ever.

Let me tell you something; My relationship is just as mainstream as yours, ok, i fuck dudes, so what? I`m fucking not doing you, do i? As long as there are people like you ''we'' need it to be shown on TV and movie.... Brace yourself---> It exists, its real and it`s mainstream..... 

Not bashing? You know you are and you liking lesbians for that just makes you a fucking perv........

 

Ahhh, I don't think it's as mainstream as you seem to think lol.    

 

It is however mainstream to jump on the bank-wagon, just to avoid coming under fire from homo-hater--haters. :)    (that is, don't get in the way of people who hate the people who dislike gays... lol)

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Societal changes of this magnitude don’t happen overnight, and sometime never happen completely no matter how much we want them to. Just 99 year after President Lincoln abolished slavery in the US, the civil rights amendment became law, and 51 years later we are still as divided by race as we ever were. The LGBT community is frustrated that there are still people who don’t accept them for who they are, and many in the straight community are frustrated that they are being forced to accept a lifestyle they don’t necessarily believe should be forced into their children’s education and everyday lives, especially when it involves such a small percentage of the overall population.

 

Bigotry is a two-way street, and people who are in favor of LGBT rights can be (and frequently are) every bit as bigoted as those who don’t approve of LGBT rights. African Americans have been fighting for equal rights for 150 years, and only in the last couple of decades has the term “racist” come out as a label for anybody who doesn’t subscribe to a particular political ideology.  Race relations aren’t improving and on the contrary they are getting worse in this new “diverse” society. Now the new buzz word is “homophobe” and is directed toward anybody who doesn’t openly embrace the LGBT community and lifestyle.

 

There are over 2 billion people in the world who identify themselves as being Christian. Their belief system is based on the bible which claims that homosexuals are committing a sin and are doomed to eternal damnation. Changing the beliefs of 2 billion people is a tall task, and won’t happen in our lifetime. Followers of Islam (all 1.6 billion of them) also subscribe to a belief that homosexual acts are a sin, but rather than worrying about the afterlife, many label them as infidel’s that must be put to death. No, not all Muslims believe that, but enough of them do to keep gays in the shadows in many parts of the world.  Many members of the LGBT community (and on the left in general) in western society are going out of their way to demonize organized Christianity for their beliefs, but hardly say a word against followers of Islam. I find that extremely hypocritical. Personally I believe that if the LGBT community would tone down their "in your face" attitude, it would work out much better for them in the long run.  Publicaly outing business owners who don't believe in their cause creates more anger toward their cause. If I were to go into a gay owned bakery and demand that they make a cake that says "All fags are going to Hell", I seriously doubt if there would be much media attention if any.  In that respect, the media isn't a reflection of society, rather society is a reflection of the media which happens all too frequently today.

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Societal changes of this magnitude don’t happen overnight, and sometime never happen completely no matter how much we want them to. Just 99 year after President Lincoln abolished slavery in the US, the civil rights amendment became law, and 51 years later we are still as divided by race as we ever were. The LGBT community is frustrated that there are still people who don’t accept them for who they are, and many in the straight community are frustrated that they are being forced to accept a lifestyle they don’t necessarily believe should be forced into their children’s education and everyday lives, especially when it involves such a small percentage of the overall population.

 

Bigotry is a two-way street, and people who are in favor of LGBT rights can be (and frequently are) every bit as bigoted as those who don’t approve of LGBT rights. African Americans have been fighting for equal rights for 150 years, and only in the last couple of decades has the term “racist” come out as a label for anybody who doesn’t subscribe to a particular political ideology.  Race relations aren’t improving and on the contrary they are getting worse in this new “diverse” society. Now the new buzz word is “homophobe” and is directed toward anybody who doesn’t openly embrace the LGBT community and lifestyle.

 

There are over 2 billion people in the world who identify themselves as being Christian. Their belief system is based on the bible which claims that homosexuals are committing a sin and are doomed to eternal damnation. Changing the beliefs of 2 billion people is a tall task, and won’t happen in our lifetime. Followers of Islam (all 1.6 billion of them) also subscribe to a belief that homosexual acts are a sin, but rather than worrying about the afterlife, many label them as infidel’s that must be put to death. No, not all Muslims believe that, but enough of them do to keep gays in the shadows in many parts of the world.  Many members of the LGBT community (and on the left in general) in western society are going out of their way to demonize organized Christianity for their beliefs, but hardly say a word against followers of Islam. I find that extremely hypocritical. Personally I believe that if the LGBT community would tone down their "in your face" attitude, it would work out much better for them in the long run.  Publicaly outing business owners who don't believe in their cause creates more anger toward their cause. If I were to go into a gay owned bakery and demand that they make a cake that says "All fags are going to Hell", I seriously doubt if there would be much media attention if any.  In that respect, the media isn't a reflection of society, rather society is a reflection of the media which happens all too frequently today.

 

very well said.

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#YOLO 

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all i going to say about this is.....what he is doing is NOT!!! COURAGE....BRAVERY OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT....COURAGE AND BRAVERY is what our men and women are doin over in the middle east....COURAGE AND BRAVERY is what police and firemen do for a living.....COURAGE AND BRAVERY is when kids are facing live threating illness' or surgerys for cancer...heart problems....aids ....so i dont think its no way fair to say when this moron is doing to his body is considered courage and bravery like the social and mainstream medias are calling it...that my 2 cents i am not goin to say anything else on the matter.....especially out of respect for our gay members that ppl keep forgetting we have......

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All these varying opinions, he did it for the money, and now he has his own titties to play with while he's assaulting the Bishop. He isn't doing any harm to his family that they aren't already doing to themselves. (they in for the money too yall) They are all adults with their own gigs. The publicity makes  them big money and keeps them in the lavish lifestyle they are accustomed to. It's all entertainment, a family acting a fool and getting seriously paid to do it. I'm not talking about what they make from the TV show, that is paltry to what they make getting paid just to show up at "social events" and jobs they have a salary for just for having the name on a payroll. 

 

Paris Hilton has done well for herself using this business model for decades.

 

As far as tossing "God's Man-made rulebook" into the mix...if God hates gay people and dictates through the Bible you must hate them then why does he make them? To fuel your hatred and desire to cast judgment in the race to be the first to cast a stone?... tsk tsk tsk mama say that is da debil  :devil:  :devil:  :devil:

 

The media creates a never ending sewage flow about it people tweet tag like + up1 reddit pintrest and FB that crap 24/7 world-wide. Who's fault is it?? If WE, the users, would just shut up about it it would go away, stop viewing, stop sharing stop goddamn liking it and it's popularity will vanish, guaranteed.  

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especially out of respect for our gay members that ppl keep forgetting we have......

Bam.... Only thing i wanted to hear in this discussion..... Only thing XI member worthy to say i think!!!!! Freaking respect for one another, straight, gay, christian, muslim, black, white, yellow and what ever....  If a discussion tends to go the wrong direction. just stop it.... Just my 2 cents.....

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Bam.... Only thing i wanted to hear in this discussion..... Only thing XI member worthy to say i think!!!!! Freaking respect for one another, straight, gay, christian, muslim, black, white, yellow and what ever....  If a discussion tends to go the wrong direction. just stop it.... Just my 2 cents.....

 

We're not forgetting that XI has gay members and gay family members Jay. I think many people are just venting over all of the media attention Bruce Jenner has been getting and blowing off some steam. No disrespect directed toward you or any other member.

 

Discussions can only be considered as going the wrong way when somebody doesn't agree with a point of view, and rather than trying to censor civil discourse, I find that it's easier to simply remove myself from the conversation which I've done on many occasions and why I stay away from the political forum. I don't enjoy being mad at somebody because of their opinion on any particular subject so I just avoid the conversation all together to keep the peace.

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We're not forgetting that XI has gay members and gay family members Jay. I think many people are just venting over all of the media attention Bruce Jenner has been getting and blowing off some steam. No disrespect directed toward you or any other member.

 

Discussions can only be considered as going the wrong way when somebody doesn't agree with a point of view, and rather than trying to censor civil discourse, I find that it's easier to simply remove myself from the conversation which I've done on many occasions and why I stay away from the political forum. I don't enjoy being mad at somebody because of their opinion on any particular subject so I just avoid the conversation all together to keep the peace.

 

I hear you, but... The original topic was indeed about Bruce Jenner getting his gender changed and the media attention comming with that. I only reacted to a different line in that original post. Please read back......

 

I quote from the first post;

 

                                    ''Just wondering what an idiot thinks about the transformation of Bruce Jenner.

 

And a bit further

 

                                    I'm not anti gay or lesbian or whatever I just think what you do in private should stay private''.

 

I just asked te following on that line;

 

                                               ''What has this to do with gay???? This has nothing to do with gay what so ever.... It`s called transgender....

 

                                               She now is a transgender who happends to be gay....''

 

The discussion took a turn to the ''gay side'' afterwards. And yes, i personally think with that, the discussion went the wrong way!

 

I, btw, sincerely do respect someone else his/her opinion, but i`m not going to bail to keep the peace. If someone has to shove their opinion trough my throat, i`m going to vent mine.. ;-p

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But did anyone else notice he never had a crash till he became a woman?   and once it is all done he wont have the balls to go back to what he was

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Mr Pete,

While it is true that the media is a mirror of our society that mirror is often times distorted and the content may be true but grossly exaggerated

Obviously transgender people exist but not in the numbers that are portrayed in the media and on TV.

An example:  Hollywood and the TV media exaggerating the prevalence of the number of gay couples with adopted children and trying to  convince everyone that this is a Modern Family.

I challenge everyone who reads this to count the number of "Modern Families" in their neighborhood or if they even know of 1 of these types of relationships and would wager that the number is very small if at all.

I have noticed that nearly every movie that has been released in the last 5 years has some reference to gay or lesbian activities even if it doesn't add to the plot.  I view this as an attempt by a very small minority to desensitize their viewers to accepting gay and lesbian relationships as mainstream . . . . . .I'm not bashing the gay and lesbian community in any way ( I'm actually rather fond of lesbians . . :whistle:) i'm just saying that the TV media warps things to meet an agenda they have. So to make the statement that the media is a mirror of our society i would tend to disagree. The media attempts to control the way people think about things and you have already stated the solution to keeping them from trying to control our thoughts . . . . . ."turn off the TV"  and they wont get your attention.  

 

I doubt every movie in the past 5 years has a GBLT reference but i suspect that for many, it may seem that way. I dont think of it either way so if it is referenced, i dont notice it.

 

My reference to the media is only a casual statement.  I dont believe that we dictate what we watch nor do i believe they do as well. The Kardahians attract attention, this forum attracts attention. With that said, thats why the media tend to focus on these subjects.  My analogy about the car accident is perfect. We may not agree but always look.

 

Good post guys.

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So actually you are just one of those very narrow minded people wo don`t think two people of the same gender can be a couple. That minority does a great job trying to desentisize the stigma on ''those gays'' who just want to live their normal life, just like you. Without being bashed, called names, killed or what so ever.

Let me tell you something; My relationship is just as mainstream as yours, ok, i fuck dudes, so what? I`m fucking not doing you, do i? As long as there are people like you ''we'' need it to be shown on TV and movie.... Brace yourself---> It exists, its real and it`s mainstream..... 

Not bashing? You know you are and you liking lesbians for that just makes you a fucking perv........

 

Jay, I have 4 family members that are gay and for the most part, all they wish to do is live their lives , as normal people like everyone else.  They want nothing more than to be excepted, without ths media circus.

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One thing people tend to forget is that the media have become a commercial enterprises with an historical interest in scandal and subject to their own deviations from their stated mandates to report with impartiality and balance. Some media outlets have made this front page news for completely different reasons. Some commend Jenner while others have critical for moral reasons.

 

Regardless where you stand on the subject, the one thing is we are reading and watching this 24/7 and the media are benefitting from this.

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