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Hi guys,

After spectating a number of ZONK members this last week I am convinced that they not fully legitimate players. A number of players on our servers have complained including myself and as the saying goes, there's no smoke without fire. I have made it perfectly clear to the head admins of my opinion, as have others, but there has always been a defence that "no evidence has been found". I understand there is a diplomatic process that needs to be demonstrated when handling these situations, which is why no action has/will be taken against them.

Due to this, if there is a ZONK member on the server, I will be playing elsewhere. I am more than happy to play on the server when they are not present, but I simply will not participate if they are present (regardless of if they are on my team or not).

Kind Regards, B00M.

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Sounds like you are spitting your dummy out because you never got your own way55d746080d556_slapping.gif

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I'm not spitting anything out, just making it clear of my opinion. If I were spitting my "dummy" out, I would be shouting this and that and making a big drama about it.

This is my opinion and this is how I am dealing with it. Simple as that.

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We talked about this. I told you what i think and you kinda summed it up in your op. I and many others have specced the guys numerous times and for hours long. They are extremely good teamplayers. Use their own TS and play tactical. 

That being said; I can name only one where i think maybe something is off.... The others are totally legit players imo. I can`t ban them, like you said yourself, because i have no evidence against them. If they would appeal, they will defenatly win, because of the no evidence.

 

We have a couple of options; Ask them not to play this well, but we all know that`s not going to work. I can however split them up, so that they are not together in a squad, or better team. I`ve seen a couple ragequit already because of that. People got used to the ZONK guys, there is less whining in chat now. People, other then you, don`t stay away because of them. If that would be the case, the only thing we can do is ban them for being disruptive to the server. So for now i will only split them up, and hope they eventually leave because of that.

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Like my original post said, it is tricky. I know who you're talking about, and he is the main one I was spectating. Like I said, I understand it is a problematic due to the diplomacy behind how this clan works. As I said, it doesn't matter what team they are on, I've got no interest in playing with them regardless.

I don't want you to take any actions on them, as really by the clan rules it wouldn't be justified. I am quiet happy playing elsewhere :)

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Isn't there a 3 - 1 kd ratio limit or was that scratched....

 

cause theres

1 only needing 0.1

1 only needing 0.5

1 only needing 0.6

 

so go out and die for their KD lol

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IMO leave them to it. They seem legitimate enough to me and all they are doing is using some voice program, teamspeak ventrillo etc. to achieve the same results most of us could. Me, RacerRagnar and a few others have done this in the server all day getting scores well above any other player and just seeing the top 4-5 people all green because all you need is teamwork! :D

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I was senior admin in my previous clan and we had about the same discussion about certain clans playing on our servers. We did also split them up - even by a script (which I don't have anymore unfortunately).

Imo reasons for bans are not only cheating or being racist etc. Some single "pro" players were causing too much grief and disruption on our servers and were banned because of that (after a long painful debate). But I don't think ZONK would fit these criterias. They are not unbeatable and don't play supernatural. They just don't do anything else or have anything else ... poor guys.

 

In the end it's up to the admins to assess wheather the damage to the server / community is greater with or without ZONK.

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I'm sure they don't cheat. If there is only one or two zonks in the server you'll see that they don't play as good as when they're with their whole platoon or a big part of it. They still play good, but as a team they're even better. I don't really see a problem with this, tictacs are allowed after all.

 

I don't think they should be banned just for being good and playing as a team.. Some people are just better in the game then others, specially when on ts playing together. I've got my fair share of hackusations, would've sucked if i got banned because people are butthurt about players that do well :P

 

Like Jay said, most people are now used to the zonks and realize they don't hack and most seem to have accepted that they just play well.

 

Instead of leaving the server because of them, which is a shame, just team up and get them tictacs going on TS :D

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ba hum bug

 

Boom

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Hi,

 

Just my pennies worth and I agree 100% with Jay that they are just good well organised players. A few have come onto our TS and when I have been in their squad they play the objectives tactically every map, every game mode. I am as sure that they are not cheating as I am that I do not cheat.

 

Once you know where they are going to  be you can generally kill one or two of them before the third or fourth guy gets you!

 

Bit If that's the way you feel BoomSplat then I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it.

 

I think our admins do a very good job rooting out the bad guys all the same and they have cleared Jays radar on lots of occasions.

 

Regards

 

 

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I used to hate Zonk guys, however playing against them has made me a better player. Yes it is easy to play against lower skilled people but that does not improve my game.

We should play more tactically in our Teamspeaks as well. I noticed we now have tactical channels that I haven't seen used.

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I used to hate Zonk guys, however playing against them has made me a better player. Yes it is easy to play against lower skilled people but that does not improve my game.

We should play more tactically in our Teamspeaks as well. I noticed we now have tactical channels that I haven't seen used.

Me, Ragnar and Shadwobnair have been using the tactical channels quite a bit and I occasionally see others in them as well.

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video says it all man! if you get that you got the basterd! then post the video.

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Another note about the ZONK guys, would just like to mention that a server rule is "Tictacs are allowed on the server... Tactics are allowed too" This means you can't ban them, surely... :P

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Imo splitting them up is efficient enough. As seen yesterday.

There is nothing wrong with playing tactical or being good. But the question is, does it piss off too many other players so that they stay away from our server. Most of the time we have a big queue and it's not so obvious wheather players bail out when Zonk is on or not. Perhaps it could be statistically investigated.

 

However, if a bunch of so called "pro players" is piling up in one team, that leaves no chance for the other team. Thus, as Jay already stated, splitting them up is the way to go - and it works.

As someone said analogously on TS yesterday "We play against eachother most of the time, zonk can do that too."

I don't think it would be a big deal for them or anything to be upset about when zonk has to play vs. zonk more often. But if they don't like it ... well ... there are other servers to go to, aren't there.

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I'll jump in here also.

 

I have extensively recorded the Zonk guys, and apart from the one I can 100% verify they are not cheating.

 

If you watch them play, they know where people are because of the TS usage, and they are far worse when only 1 or 2 play.

 

Searches for their name online, also brings up other servers which cannot find any evidence of them cheating, however as it disrupts the server, when they are all on they should be split up.

 

They are sore losers, when they do lose however.

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danwelsh there is many ways to cheating..

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That maby so Bor, but being able to play good as a squad and piss people of with it, is something else.

I´ve also cursed allot when the ´shoot one Zonk, get 2 more´ play is active (when they're with a squad). But I never got the impression that they cheat, get 'em alone and every single one of the posters above can take em, it's just the squad element that make 'em good.

 

 

P.s: just try knifing them, it will piss em off :lol:

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Ignoring the immature semi-ultimatum, I was playing against them the week after not having played bf4 in months, and I did not get the impression of any foul play. Infact I would say they werent even that good. I always killed ast least one or two of them before another of thier squad brought me down and revived them. They stick together and play as a team, and since most of us play as lone rangers, its really hard to get the best of them. They remind me alot of the Jrks squad that used to play in our US normal server religously.

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Oneill, ain't you the one using FLIR and variable zoom? :lol:

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Oneill, ain't you the one using FLIR and variable zoom? :lol:

 

Nah I usually run around naked.

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now i played more hen a few times both with (and also being on their teamspeak) and against Zonk. First of all they aren't impossible like some people make you believe, seems i can kil lthem rather easily so i don't see the point in all these complaints.

Even more so cause when i'm on their teamspeak you can hear the teamplay that they put on display, this is why they usualy come on top because sorry to say but i haven't seen may clans that do it aswell as they do. However never in all the times that i played with them did i see something that was dodgy unlike certain people accusing them of cheating.

 

Now what i'm about to say might kick some people in the balls or hit them agasint the chest but my personal opinion about this is either grow some skill or some brains. I can't help noticing that people on teamspeak complain about them while they got fucking 15 people on teamspeak themselfs....how about instead of crying your eyes out, you team up get some squads going and use teamspeak for what it is supposed to be used and do some squadplay yourself. That means reviving, calling out positions and kick zonk's ass that way (instead of with stupid server rules to split them up which i think is so unfair cause people are unable to deal with them)

Cause in the end, it is the teamplay that gets them these good scores. The reason they got good k/d's is because of all the revives. And about leballski i can only tell you this:

Notice that he almost never plays alone, he only joins when there is atleast 2/3 zonk players so they got the upperhand cause of their teamplay, he uses a vehicle a lot, and last but not least you got 2 kind of players in my opinion;1 who has fast reflexes and comes out on top because of those and second players that use their brains (they check the corners, know spawnlocations and weakpoints etc)...now in my opinion leballski has both, making him a bit better then others....still no reason to act like a kid, call them hacks, or say you won't play when they're on because you say you think they're dodgy

 

Just say it as it is then, you can't deal with them and they're better which is fine cause that i understand, it's not fun when a few players can control a server and you can't move or do anything about it, but don't come up with excuses that players like that are cheating and like i said before....it's not like we don't have the manpower to deal with them...just not the right mentality of players it seems. And i can only say that i'm happy that i see a few players use the tactical channels cause that's what you need to beat zonk and play just like them.

 

my 2cents

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Are the servers there primarily for XI members or members of the public? If members don't like how good they are, perhaps the clan should take actions? If the clan feels they are too good for them then I'd say kick them from the server regardless of if they are cheating or not. 

Personally I don't care if they are there or not, but if others do then perhaps it should be a bye bye?

 

thats my 2cents

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Are the servers there primarily for XI members or members of the public? If members don't like how good they are, perhaps the clan should take actions? If the clan feels they are too good for them then I'd say kick them from the server regardless of if they are cheating or not. 

 

Personally I don't care if they are there or not, but if others do then perhaps it should be a bye bye?

 

thats my 2cents

 

It is an XI- server, that`s right, but without all the regulars on the server, believe me, there wouldn`t be a XI server and the XI players wouldn`t have a own BF4 server to play on.... It`s because all none XI players that we have a server that`s almost always full.

 

My 2 cents are to cherish the so needed regular none XI players to keep the servers up, not kick them......

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