New London Terror attacks

[Sharpe]

Just now, RobMc said:

 

Is it any different anywhere in the world, as strange as it seems our reluctance to embrace armed police as the norm means that in effect we accept this.

I'm more thinking some concealed carry is in order...

[Astronomer]

3 hours ago, Angelz said:

I consider recently as in a couple weeks to a month.

The first 2 incidents we had 2 people killed by 2 different terrorist. Cpl. Nathan Cirillo was from my home town.

The third incident the terrorist was killed before he killed anyone.

The fourth incident in Quebec was done by white supremacist. They kill anyone who isn't white so I do not consider that an act of terrorism.

I would imagine there will be more attempts and maybe successful attempts but I am not worried personally.

 

Whoa, whoah, whoah!!! 

"The fourth incident in Quebec was done by white supremacist. They kill anyone who isn't white so I do not consider that an act of terrorism."

Say what? The intent was to kill as many of an identifiable group as possible, and instill terror within that group. Of course that white supremacist was a terrorist!

More murders were committed by white supremacists in the USA than jihadists since 9/11. Where's the politicians decrying those acts of terror? Terrorists off all colours and stripes must be dealt with swiftly and in the same fashion. Terrorism is terrorism.

[YACCster]

Wondering if you all need a travel ban or something?

[Angelz]

1 hour ago, Astronomer said:

Whoa, whoah, whoah!!! 

"The fourth incident in Quebec was done by white supremacist. They kill anyone who isn't white so I do not consider that an act of terrorism."

Say what? The intent was to kill as many of an identifiable group as possible, and instill terror within that group. Of course that white supremacist was a terrorist!

More murders were committed by white supremacists in the USA than jihadists since 9/11. Where's the politicians decrying those acts of terror? Terrorists off all colours and stripes must be dealt with swiftly and in the same fashion. Terrorism is terrorism.

The War on Terror = the ongoing campaign by the United States and some of its allies to counter international terrorism

I thought that it started because of ISIS and other middle east terrorist groups.

In the first 3 incidents the attacks were done in the name of isis.

The Quebec attacks were done by 1 individual Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, a student at Laval University.

In the news 1 person said, “I can tell you he was certainly no Muslim convert,” Mr. Boissoneault said. “I wrote him off as a xenophobe. I didn’t even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement.

I do not consider white supremacy as an act of terror. I look at them as the lowest form of racism. I will say that these ignorant pieces of shit need to dealt with in a harsh way. Put down. The world does not need these animals in it.

Canada is a peace keeping country. We are not even close to experiencing what the citizens of the US experience on a daily basis. I haven't crossed the border since 9/11 and I never will again!!

[Angelz]

1 hour ago, YACCster said:

Wondering if you all need a travel ban or something?

LOL I banned myself haha

[YACCster]

3 hours ago, Sharpe said:

I'm more thinking some concealed carry is in order...

I agree, of course in the United Socialist State of Maryland we can't open or concealed carry without some severe restrictions, and to do it in DC is basically impossible.

[Silencer]

We tend to forget as civilized societies, what those many before us fought and died for...The Political Correctness of helping others from foreign lands seems in all nature,  to be the right thing to do in an advance of these unique times.  Thinking the evolution of man and the bloody wars from past have taught us to all get along.   We should ALL be able and willing to help each other in times of need.  But, the sad reality is that we are seeing more and more of the Crusades type war coming back.  I personally believe that Jihad has been waged and the plan is to infiltrate the infidels (you and I, or any non Muslim believers) and then take over those regions slowly implementing Shariah law into our lands. The use of terrorism is just that, to terrorize the people, to take away basic liberties, such as going to a concert, or the market, or out to dinner.  The disruption of democracy period.  We have been blinded by our open, good hearts, and now the enemy is gaining the other hand.  This is not going to end well and there will be more bloodshed until we end this migration/infiltration.  Just my thoughts as I am numb watching the UK be torn apart.

[wishbone]

Hmmmmmm, Trump's not looking like such an idiot after all.

Our hopes and prayers are wit hall of our UK Friends

[wishbone]

Our motto out here in the West id........"If at first you don't succeed, re-load and try again".

If there were more armed good guys, many of today's problems would possibly be non-existent

[Spartacus]

Told you so...

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Spartacus

[RocknRobert]

I feel bad for the British people right now, hope they get all those terrorist bastards eventually...

[RobMc]

1 hour ago, RocknRobert said:

I feel bad for the British people right now, hope they get all those terrorist bastards eventually...

Already theres breaking news that indicates the authorities knew them, and were warned about at least one of them, but of course did nothing, to be truthful there are so many of them unless the authorities change mindset and tactics, and at least detain them, never mind the preferred execution of them, nothing will change. In socialist/liberal Europe they don't mind their own citizens dying as long as they don't upset any genre, god forbid they annoy these people, so it will continue. However I see a marked change in attitudes of people I have talked to lately, there is a general hatred for Muslims good or bad, this has unfortunate effects for other Asians who people only assume are Muslim, and of course it must be remembered that the majority of Muslims don't support these animals. However the general muslim community are making a huge mistake by not publicly condemning them, they are probably afraid, and so the circle of death goes on and they will get their holy war. Even our Prime Minister said yesterday 'enough is enough', what that means we shall see, I talked to 4 people yesterday, in general conversation, who mentioned joining vigilante groups (true). I fear we are heading that way, which in a westerncivilised society is incredible to hear, if we end up going that path our way of life changes forever, not good is it?

[FRENCHI]

En parlé sur les réseau sociaux n arrangera rien , car ces assassins veulent que l on parle d eux ... Ne plus en parlé et les ignoré je pense que c est ça qui les tuera ..... C est évident et je le dit en france depuis quelques mois , que tous assassin qui parte de syrie ou d irak vont revenir en europe et donc il faut s attendre encore a beaucoup d atrocité , malheureusement.....   

[Sonovabich]

14 hours ago, RobMc said:

 

Is it any different anywhere in the world, as strange as it seems our reluctance to embrace armed police as the norm means that in effect we accept this.

I think the response was brilliant to be honest, a City as big as London and armed Police were there and killed the Terrorists in 8 minutes, i am not reluctant to accept armed Police, i would welcome every Policemen to carry firearms, we expect our Police to go out with  Baton and face bastards with Bomb's Guns and Knives...it's not on, the world has moved on quite a bit since the nice English "Bobby" was cycling along nice peaceful streets.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Sonovabich

[Billymilano]

 

[Angelz]

That is one of the most disturbing videos I have ever watched. I do not know why your government is allowing them to continue to live in your country.

A Canadian Prime Minister's Speech from 1907.

Should be upheld in every country!!!

[gemax-cool]

Yes Senseless murders what is this world coming to! may be it's time to take the fight to them and hit back.

[Billymilano]

 

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Joe Canadian]

On 2017-6-4 at 2:19 AM, JohnnyDos said:

Sorry about that UK.Just crazy.You guys might have to start something up like an SS or Gestapo or whatever they call them and round those guys up.

I agree, maybe not with the SS thing, but it might definitely  be time to change the law. I would for example not grant British Citizenship automatically to people born in the UK whose parents come from some specific countries. Im aware this will sould terrible but they should be required to get their parents nationality and be  on "probation" for 20-25 years before being recognized as UK Citizens. This will not solve the "problem" by itself but would give the authorities the tools to expel the scum out of Europe and deport them somewhere. I would make the immediate family members and relatives liable for these crimes as well. 

Im really worried about the whole situation because my 22 year old daugher is going to London to do her masters degree in Economics at the LSE... we made an effort to save up and pay for her education. ..but never imagined terrorism would be an issue. 

Though and payers go to you my British bros.  

 

[MikeB]

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

[RobMc]

3 hours ago, Joe Canadian said:

I agree, maybe not with the SS thing, but it might definitely  be time to change the law. I would for example not grant British Citizenship automatically to people born in the UK whose parents come from some specific countries. Im aware this will sould terrible but they should be required to get their parents nationality and be  on "probation" for 20-25 years before being recognized as UK Citizens. This will not solve the "problem" by itself but would give the authorities the tools to expel the scum out of Europe and deport them somewhere. I would make the immediate family members and relatives liable for these crimes as well. 

Im really worried about the whole situation because my 22 year old daugher is going to London to do her masters degree in Economics at the LSE... we made an effort to save up and pay for her education. ..but never imagined terrorism would be an issue. 

Though and payers go to you my British bros.  

 

Hi Joe, you're correct, and we all know what is wrong and what needs doing but this is where democracy fails, politicians need votes, a dictator would not have any problem, so nothing ever gets done, even the second world war with all the years of build up, our politicians thought nothing was wrong and they had a 'deal'. We do not even require these immigrants to speak our native tongue or give any form of allegiance, instead we provide (at our cost) translators, social workers etc etc etc, the signs are in 16 different languages in my doctors, in the home of 'English'. Put simply we are barking mad and have let this happen through our own laziness and inattention.

Do not worry about your daughter, statistically London is a safe place, it could easily be Dalhousie/Toronto or Alberta, they targeted France, then Belgium, then Germany, then us, they will move on to the next easy country and this will not stop, terrorism is here to stay. I know nothing about politics over there, only what I learn through this forum, but Trump has it spot on where this is concerned, you listen to what he's saying or you will become like us. What I would say to you all thinking of holidays in Europe, is that there is more chance of getting killed by road accident than terrorists, see it in perspective, the USA gun wise is far more dangerous statistically.

My son lived in Toronto and it wasn't squeaky clean, but tell her to look at what they target, they hate our freedoms, especially womens, and you will notice it is pop concerts and young peoples haunts they go for, easy targets, so stay away from those and reduce the odds, the superstars may lose money but hey ho!

[DEEJAYKEG]

1 hour ago, RobMc said:

Hi Joe, you're correct, and we all know what is wrong and what needs doing but this is where democracy fails, politicians need votes, a dictator would not have any problem, so nothing ever gets done, even the second world war with all the years of build up, our politicians thought nothing was wrong and they had a 'deal'. We do not even require these immigrants to speak our native tongue or give any form of allegiance, instead we provide (at our cost) translators, social workers etc etc etc, the signs are in 16 different languages in my doctors, in the home of 'English'. Put simply we are barking mad and have let this happen through our own laziness and inattention.

 

On this point, Rob, you are incorrect.  There is a requirement to prove competence in the English Language if one wishes to be naturalised as a British citizen (with some exceptions eg exempt foreign nationals from English-speaking countries like the USA and Canada).

https://www.gov.uk/english-language/exemptions

I will add a further comment to this thread, to those calling for the universal arming of police - they do not want it (I speak from past personal experience too).

"About 92 per cent of the service is unarmed and armed policing is delivered by highly-trained specialist units. There is no plan to seek to change this."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/british-police-officers-asked-want-carry-guns-wake-terror-attacks/

It is premature to draw any conclusions about whether travel bans are/ would be effective until the true nature of the threat is understood.  The one Tweet from you-know-who that grabbed my attention concerned the absence of a gun debate - how very true!  Thank the Lord we have very strict controls on access to firearms in this country - long may that continue!

Each country's law will define terrorism differently.  In England & Wales, section 1 Terrorism Act 2000 defines it thus:

Section 1. –

(1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where-

(a) the action falls within subsection (2),

(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation]^[2] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and

(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious[, racial]^[3] or ideological cause.

(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-

(a) involves serious violence against a person,

(b) involves serious damage to property,

(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,

(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or

(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

[Power!]

It is very sad to hear what happend

We all live in fear now in europa

In the largest part Is  responsible woman M ...

fuck the terr...................................

[RobMc]

1 hour ago, DEEJAYKEG said:

On this point, Rob, you are incorrect.  There is a requirement to prove competence in the English Language if one wishes to be naturalised as a British citizen (with some exceptions eg exempt foreign nationals from English-speaking countries like the USA and Canada).

https://www.gov.uk/english-language/exemptions

I will add a further comment to this thread, to those calling for the universal arming of police - they do not want it (I speak from past personal experience too).

"About 92 per cent of the service is unarmed and armed policing is delivered by highly-trained specialist units. There is no plan to seek to change this."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/british-police-officers-asked-want-carry-guns-wake-terror-attacks/

It is premature to draw any conclusions about whether travel bans are/ would be effective until the true nature of the threat is understood.  The one Tweet from you-know-who that grabbed my attention concerned the absence of a gun debate - how very true!  Thank the Lord we have very strict controls on access to firearms in this country - long may that continue!

Each country's law will define terrorism differently.  In England & Wales, section 1 Terrorism Act 2000 defines it thus:

Section 1. –

(1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where-

(a) the action falls within subsection (2),

(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation]^[2] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and

(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious[, racial]^[3] or ideological cause.

(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-

(a) involves serious violence against a person,

(b) involves serious damage to property,

(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,

(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or

(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.

 

[RobMc]

1 minute ago, RobMc said:

 

Hi Deejaykeg,

                        You are correct but that was only introduced around 2005, after much reluctance and being dropped many times since mooted in 2001 as a hot potato, which makes anyone in their teens and over likely not to have done this test, their parents certainly may not speak English, especially the women, there are many articles on this subject by womens rights campaigners. On policemen being armed,  I don't know where you get those figures from as they just ain't true mate, and believe me the ones I know, although reluctantly, carry guns on a regular basis, true they are not permanently armed but they are not far removed if necessary. I don't want to say more as you never know who reads this not that I know any more than the average Joe, but reading my local papers gives you enough info. Sorry about the melodrama, but it amazes me how many documentaries are on telly showing us the tricks , weapons and tactics of special forces and police, now is the time to stop these being made and the bad boy prepared for them., it certainly doesn't do much for their safety. If I remember correctly Manchester was the first city to have permanent armed patrols in a certain famous section about 10-15 years ago, it will come, reluctantly but through necessity, we will have to lose many good policemen until politicians can no longer ignore it, but it will come.