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1 hour ago, Labob said:

LOL it was never in our hands I can never recall when we as the users had a chance to vote on a single point of contention. For us up here were a bit different but it pisses me off our politiburuo like what your politicians do so they follow and were no better on so many other aspects of this issue. BTW its all nickle and dime shit but is also our freedom to go as we please and the net is kinda the last place we know of where we can do that. Now to do it it will cost a dime per  intrest party per hundred lol just saying

Very true, we never really had a vote. It's a game between politicians. No matter what side you are on, do you really have a vote?

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I thought  duc is usually the one killing the net.....

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In a capitalist market the public always win. If your service decides to throttle back internet speeds...they will lose customers, if a service decides to keep speeds running fast...they will succeed. 

I come from the age of dial up were the fastest speed was 56k. The public demanded faster speeds and the market provided faster speeds. 

Before "Net Neutrality" was a law the internet was just fine, and it will be continue to be fine.

 

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They said that before the mortgage crisis and housing bubble 10 years ago, the dot.com crisis before that. Letting the wolves regulate themselves spells trouble for the common man. But let’s roll the dice and see right? 

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Net neutrality was introduced so that internet access stays the way it has been since. Comcast and Verizon want to control access to the services going on their network. Basically, Net Neutrality made it so Internet becomes a utility service, equal access to all. Now nothing can legally stop service providers from creating service tiers not just bandwidth tiers, but what services you shall access from their network. You may have to buy a Social package, Streaming package, bundle it all up that crap.

A former Verizon lawyer gets the job of FCC Chairman and does the very thing that Verizon+Comcast was denied in 2015. How can you not see the problem here? Since, when has any business done things for the greater good of the people. Business interest always comes first.

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13 hours ago, PimpedOutPete said:

They said that before the mortgage crisis and housing bubble 10 years ago, the dot.com crisis before that. Letting the wolves regulate themselves spells trouble for the common man. But let’s roll the dice and see right? 

Neither of those were caused by the "wolves regulating themselves". They were both caused by laws passed by Congress both having something to do with taxes and interest. The dotcom bubble was caused by taxes on dividends being kept the same but capital gains taxes being lowered. This led to a huge influx of investors moving from high dividend investments to low dividend/high volitility investments. The bubble popped because some large companies like Dell placed HUGE sell orders which cause panic and caused everyone to sell as fast as they could which cause the crash which was also made worse by 9/11, the date the entire stock market dropped over 10% because of a terrorist attack. The housing bubble was similarly caused by interest rates and lending practices. Remember the lending practices were deregulated because the public wanted them to be because they wanted easier access to home loans. These 2 things left people with things they could not afford. They are also part of the reason the government does not really listen to the majority when making big decisions. People here seem to keep forgetting, we are not a democracy. We are a democratic republic. The only thing the people have the right to vote on in the US is who represents them, not what choices their representative make.

 

5 hours ago, iboomboom said:

Net neutrality was introduced so that internet access stays the way it has been since. Comcast and Verizon want to control access to the services going on their network. Basically, Net Neutrality made it so Internet becomes a utility service, equal access to all. Now nothing can legally stop service providers from creating service tiers not just bandwidth tiers, but what services you shall access from their network. You may have to buy a Social package, Streaming package, bundle it all up that crap.

A former Verizon lawyer gets the job of FCC Chairman and does the very thing that Verizon+Comcast was denied in 2015. How can you not see the problem here? Since, when has any business done things for the greater good of the people. Business interest always comes first.

If this were true why did the companies want to get rid of it? If it were regulated like a utility service then why didn't the ISPs bill it like a utility service. Both water and electric are charged according to usage. If the only switch was making it so it was regulated like a utility service then why did these ISPs not go the route of making more money by charging Facebook, Netflix, etc for the upstream and downstream activity? Utility companies are natural monopolies which mean they make economic profits in the long run. ISPs are closer to a monopolistic competition which means they will eventually break even.

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Simply put:

https://www.publicknowledge.org/issues/net-neutrality

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Net neutrality is the principle that individuals should be free to access all content and applications equally, regardless of the source, without Internet Service Providers discriminating against specific online services or websites. In other words, it is the principle that the company that connects you to the internet does not get to control what you do on the internet.

Without net neutrality rules in place, ISPs like Verizon and Comcast can prevent users from visiting some websites, provide slower speeds for services like Netflix and Hulu, or even redirect users from one website to a competing website. Net neutrality rules prevent this by requiring ISPs to connect users to all lawful content on the internet equally, without giving preferential treatment to certain sites or services.

In the absence of net neutrality, companies can buy priority access to ISP customers. Larger, wealthier companies like Google or Facebook can pay ISPs to provide faster, more reliable access to their websites than to potential competitors. This could deter innovative start-up services that are unable to purchase priority access from the ISPs. Also, if ISPs can charge online services to connect to consumers, consumers would ultimately bear these additional costs (for example, on their monthly Netflix bill or in the cost of products from a local online store).

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/node/323681

These were the key points from Obama on supporting net neutrality.

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  • No blocking. If a consumer requests access to a website or service, and the content is legal, your ISP should not be permitted to block it. That way, every player — not just those commercially affiliated with an ISP — gets a fair shot at your business.
  • No throttling. Nor should ISPs be able to intentionally slow down some content or speed up others — through a process often called “throttling” — based on the type of service or your ISP’s preferences.
  • Increased transparency. The connection between consumers and ISPs — the so-called “last mile” — is not the only place some sites might get special treatment. So, I am also asking the FCC to make full use of the transparency authorities the court recently upheld, and if necessary to apply net neutrality rules to points of interconnection between the ISP and the rest of the Internet.
  • No paid prioritization. Simply put: No service should be stuck in a “slow lane” because it does not pay a fee. That kind of gatekeeping would undermine the level playing field essential to the Internet’s growth. So, as I have before, I am asking for an explicit ban on paid prioritization and any other restriction that has a similar effect.

 

@fireurza - I don't follow as to what you understood from what I said. 

11 hours ago, fireurza said:

If this were true why did the companies want to get rid of it? If it were regulated like a utility service then why didn't the ISPs bill it like a utility service. Both water and electric are charged according to usage. If the only switch was making it so it was regulated like a utility service then why did these ISPs not go the route of making more money by charging Facebook, Netflix, etc for the upstream and downstream activity? Utility companies are natural monopolies which mean they make economic profits in the long run. ISPs are closer to a monopolistic competition which means they will eventually break even.

 

I will let Wikipedia do the talking...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States 

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In the United States, net neutrality has been an issue of contention among network users and access providers since the 1990s.[1][2] Until 2015, there were no clear legal protections requiring net neutrality. In 2015, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reclassified broadband as a Title IIcommunication service with providers being "common carriers", not "information providers", in a party-line 3-2 vote.[3][4][5][6]

Throughout 2005 and 2006, corporations supporting both sides of the issue zealously lobbied Congress.[7] Between 2005 and 2012, five attempts to pass bills in Congress containing net neutrality provisions failed. Each sought to prohibit Internet service providers from using various variable pricing models based upon the user's quality of service level, described as tiered service in the industry and as price discrimination arising from abuse of "local monopolies enshrined in law" by some economists.[8][9][10]

In April 2014, the FCC reported a new draft rule that would have permitted ISPs to offer content providers a faster track to send content, thus reversing its earlier net neutrality position.[11] In May 2014, the FCC decided to consider two options: permitting fast and slow broadband lanes, thereby compromising net neutrality; and second, reclassifying broadband as a telecommunication service, thereby preserving net neutrality.[12] In November 2014, President Barack Obama recommended that the FCC reclassify broadband Internet service as a telecommunications service.[13] In January 2015, Republicans presented a United States House of Representatives discussion draft bill that made concessions to net neutrality but prohibited the FCC from enacting any further regulation affecting ISPs.[14] On February 26, 2015, the FCC ruled in favor of net neutrality by reclassifying broadband as a common carrier under Title II of the Communications Act of 1934 and Section 706 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996.[3][15][16] On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "net neutrality" regulations.[17][18] These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.[19]

Upon becoming FCC chairman in April 2017, Ajit Pai proposed to repeal the policies;[20][21] on December 14, 2017, the Federal Communications Commission voted in favor of repealing these policies, 3-2, along party lines, as the 2015 vote had occurred.

This is a decent read too, though I skimmed thru it.

 

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/30/commission-impossible-how-and-why-the-fcc-created-net-neutrality/

 

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The ISP's response is 'trust us'. Do we?

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14 minutes ago, Sammy said:

The ISP's response is 'trust us'. Do we?

Hell NO!!

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34 minutes ago, HarryWeezer said:

Thanks Harry for ruining my dam day! Lol...

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I suspect a rise in the VPN business.

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15 hours ago, FUNky said:

Come on BoomBoom don’t use Wikipedia as a source to back up your position. 

 

I surely hope you are joking with this crap.... hard to tell tho

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I am surprised and shocked at some of the ignorance in this thread. I see one guy here ok with this issue raising legitimate concerns/points, but the rest is pretty much nonsense when it relates to the issue at hand.

 To even refer to this as a Leftist issue is A.) moronic and B.) Inaccurate.  

(FYI, I am not Repub OR Democrat - they are all full of shit.)

Boom has pointed out the main things that COULD (and most likely WILL) happen, and it is not paying more.

ISPs now have the ability to BLOCK, THROTTLE and not be as transparent when they are doing so.

Scary stuff. We will have to wait to see how this plays out, but I see some "I told ya so's" coming in the future.

"The Gummint" wasn't doing anything with these killed rules but protecting YOU, the consumer.  This shit is bad no matter how you try to spin it.

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6 hours ago, KicknDatAzz said:

I am surprised and shocked at some of the ignorance in this thread. I see one guy here ok with this issue raising legitimate concerns/points, but the rest is pretty much nonsense when it relates to the issue at hand.

 To even refer to this as a Leftist issue is A.) moronic and B.) Inaccurate.  

(FYI, I am not Repub OR Democrat - they are all full of shit.)

Boom has pointed out the main things that COULD (and most likely WILL) happen, and it is not paying more.

ISPs now have the ability to BLOCK, THROTTLE and not be as transparent when they are doing so.

Scary stuff. We will have to wait to see how this plays out, but I see some "I told ya so's" coming in the future.

"The Gummint" wasn't doing anything with these killed rules but protecting YOU, the consumer.  This shit is bad no matter how you try to spin it.

And your an Idiot... :)

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13 hours ago, PimpedOutPete said:

And your an Idiot... :)

correct!

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