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Good afternoon all!

This won't be too long but this has been coming for a little while now. I want to bring attention to an issue that has been getting to me lately on the TDM server.
Accusations of team stacking and moving people around. I want to put this out there and tell you that any accusations are false.

Why?

Auto-assign. That's it. I do not have any control over the teams in game. The server automatically sorts players into teams when they join. They do not get a choice of what team they get to choose. The reason auto-assign was enabled in the first place was to STOP team stacking. We're all guilty of it because we all want to be with our friends on certain maps. I can understand that but on the other side, it made the teams very stacked. We had all the good players on one team, all the crap ones on another, etc. By enabling auto assign, we remove the team stacking.

The reason people accuse me of team stacking is purely because of a lack of understanding on their part. When you join the server, you're given a number. For example, player A, B, C, D and E are numbered 0-4 respectively and the server uses these numbers to assign you a team as soon as the map starts. This gets shuffled around every map. The reason it may be 4v1 at the start of a map is because of the way the server has assigned numbers to teams. You just need to get out of spec and you'll be put where the server wants you. If we get three admins on one team, well we do. That's just how the server assigned us. It doesn't care about your name or your status. You're a number to the server.

Which leads me on to my next point. Moving players around.

I ONLY MOVE THE LAST PLAYER THAT JOINED TO EVEN OUT THE TEAMS

If the teams are drastically outbalanced and auto-balance doesn't work then I will step in. Say someone joined the Axis team bringing them to 5 players, and the Allies were at 3. If auto-balance didn't work then I will MOVE that person to the Allied team to make them 4v4. If you were the last person in then I am sorry, that's just bad luck on your part.

I find the accusations hurtful and disrespectful and I've had to write this to address those issues. I will not take that disrespect towards me, especially false accusations. I've worked my ass off for years, even before becoming an Admin, to keep this server the best it has been. This server is my baby and quite frankly I'm getting frustrated with all the shit getting flung because something doesn't work right. There are some things on the server that are out of my control and please understand what I am saying from an admins point of view. To keep the servers fair and fun for all players.

I don't want to be putting my foot down, but I will if I need to.

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So the mod change I did with reducing the time with auto-balance did nothing ? Also spectators will have a effect on auto-balance as the server see's players sitting there and has to consider them joining...I can make a mod to change the handling of specs but some will not be happy for sure

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Louder can you make it so if they sit in spec to long it will boot ... I've played on servers like that before. I also know that when you put that into place there was a place to make it so admins would not get kicked from spec without an admin kick. Just a thought.

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4 hours ago, Giggles said:

Louder can you make it so if they sit in spec to long it will boot ... I've played on servers like that before. I also know that when you put that into place there was a place to make it so admins would not get kicked from spec without an admin kick. Just a thought.

I am sure this can be sorted out 🙂 It'll upset some people but it is what it is.

6 hours ago, loaderXI said:

So the mod change I did with reducing the time with auto-balance did nothing ? Also spectators will have a effect on auto-balance as the server see's players sitting there and has to consider them joining...I can make a mod to change the handling of specs but some will not be happy for sure

No, all it does is try to autobalance faster. Yea, specs will always affect autobalance. That's why when the round starts there are the occassions of 3v1 because the other two players of team two are still in spec. It's all ballache :lol:

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9 hours ago, bds1961 said:

 But painkiller.   Why is it anytime I play I get stuck on your team and lose.

wait wait I get it.  It’s down to skill level.    Lol

 

Thanks for the explanation. 

I can only carry so much dead weight ;)

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11 hours ago, Giggles said:

Louder can you make it so if they sit in spec to long it will boot ... I've played on servers like that before. I also know that when you put that into place there was a place to make it so admins would not get kicked from spec without an admin kick. Just a thought.

Yes exception can be written in the script

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I've found over the years changing server settings do not make grumpy whinning players any less grumpy and whiney. I have found that one rule does help. Respect our admins in game. Have a problem take it to our forums. Continued disrespect in game will get you kicked from the game.  Servers are a place to have fun. Forums are a free for all. 

 Harder then it sounds to do though 🤷

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All,

Thanks for explaing here.  PK, and myself have had several conversations on this topic in the past.  There is no team stacking going on.  The Tdm server runs a mix of sniper, run & Gun, and CTF.  Just imagine if you were playing CTF and the teams were 6 vs 2 how fun would that be if you were on the latter team?  This is where auto balance is needed, but many times won't work due to the people in spec.  As PK said, he moves the last person in game from the over balanced team.  That's it really.  The stacking blame game is just not holding water.  It's clearly done to make it better.  If peeps think there is something wrong in the servers then bring it to an ADM, or just post here in the fourms and it will get pick up.

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On 1/22/2022 at 9:56 PM, Giggles said:

Louder can you make it so if they sit in spec to long it will boot ... I've played on servers like that before. I also know that when you put that into place there was a place to make it so admins would not get kicked from spec without an admin kick. Just a thought.

LOL  "Louder", hahaha  that is a good one. hehe  So is that why Loader changed his name to Re-load?  To stop Giggles calling from him Louder?  :yahoo::ice::clapping: Hurry in the maps so you can "Murderize" him.  hehe

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1 hour ago, Majbasil said:

Hurry in the maps so you can "Murderize" him.  hehe

Silly girl/s Dat why me wuvs u so 💖 ...No I changed my in game so everyone remembers to [email protected] their weapons and if members want to join they can🦵me to make room

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Interesting to know @PainKiller. I didn't know the specs played into auto balance. It seems like that would be an easy coding fix from the developers to keep the specs out of the auto balance  headcount. Is that mod still being worked on actively at all? I haven't read up on it in ages. It seems like that feature request would have already been made.

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5 minutes ago, Hoth said:

Interesting to know @PainKiller. I didn't know the specs played into auto balance. It seems like that would be an easy coding fix from the developers to keep the specs out of the auto balance  headcount. Is that mod still being worked on actively at all? I haven't read up on it in ages. It seems like that feature request would have already been made.

The last version to come out is 3.0...We run 2.6 on TDM and 2.8 on DM

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