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credit credit greywolf2 Ok for me it is about proof. As i am a streaming admin at pbbans i get to see a few more things than others....... First off i see the normal stuff The banned guid and the pbbans violation. Then beyond that is where i see more......... I first see that the IP that was using the game at the time it was banned was From the Netherlands. Ok after that i see all the aliases used by the person running the game Then i can see the IP's that are used by the owner of the game. Now here comes the last part The IP used when the game was banned is the same exact IP used by Credit here on the forums....... I am not accusing Credit of cheating..... But most of you hear do not want to listen to proof........ I showed you mine--- now show me yours........ Thats weird but you can see the exact place where the cheat occured ? I will update my postion and look again ( live here for more than 13 years ) Can't change it because im not a member anny more .. i will pm you ty location Now the tracking on IP is not a exact thing--- Meaning it pretty much hit around you......... It all depends on your ISP provider.... Mine shows up @ 40 miles away from me..... But thats pretty close......

Malificent Sitting- Malificent Well, I'm very happy to say that I've never used a hack of any sort. But there are those of you out there who have, perhaps something should be done about this now...like step down, admit you are a hack and therefore not >XI< material because you have used a hack...but were smart enough not to get caught by PB. What's fair is fair right? That would be the ideal solution.. for all the people who have used hacks to give themselves up.. The way its worked since PB was first created and also systems like VAC is they catch the hacker cannon fodder and the server admins catch the sneaky snipers - it's just the way it it. LOL! If that were the case....there wouldn't be anyone here, trust me, not everyone here is above the code right? <Cough> Ahem...c'mon you guys...you know who you are! All I am saying is if you keep on with the witch hunt...you are gonna find out that some of the long time members will hafta go too. But I doubt they will, since this is a POWER TRIP! I doubt those that have hacked will even admit it now, they don't want to give up their position in the clan. This is making me really sad, how this is handled...I'm just showing you how it can be interpreted. Maybe one day you all will see that this isn't "drama via Mal".... LOL a witch hunt....... No one is out there running guids at random........ And any of the so called ones that should be remved because they cheated.... If there guid shows up as banned then.... But they are playing on our STREAMING SERVERS and are clean.... As we talked last night Mal I tld you Not one time have i ran a members guid out of curiosity.... Not once. Only ones that i ran are the one who ended up on the appeals forums asking why they were banned... And only then did i research them to Make for certian it was not in error------------ So Sorry mal that witch hunt doec not fly for me........

av8or my tags are gone,, thats fine, i only came here b/c Dollardogg wanted me to. he's gone and he's one of the few i really even got to talk to in here. But my point still stands as I PROVED on page 5 that i was banned early last year and yet i was allowed by the admins to play on all XI servers, seeing as i proved my point there, here is another point that has shown up, Greywolf is now a streaming admin at PB and here at XI, so it looks to me like its a conflict of interest as none of these problem existed til now. Say what you want about NOW we are streaming and maybe it was broken in the past but pb was working for other servers b/c i wasn't allowed in theres. And again my proof is in the fact that i've been playing with a PERMANENT GLOBAL BAN from pb for almost a year on our FT servers and all our others. I'll tell you straight up that pb looked into my ban when i appealed it and they told me as grey just told all of us that the problem with credits was the same as mine. It org. with my IP and i posted my appeal with the same IP and the infraction occured while playing from my IP and that is was a known code that they detected in my pc that had the same code as a known hack. So back then i posted on the forums and explained everything to you (XI) about the ban and that i would probably not be able to play cod4 b/c i would not buy another copy of the game b/c i didn't hack and would not support a game that used a service to literally make a profit. and my reason for saying that then and now, is the fact that i went through my entire folder and never found that file or code or hack that they accused me of having. so all in all my points are the same, i was banned a year ago, was allowed by our admins to play on our servers, and now that grey is working with pb i cant even wear tags. so there seams to be bigger issues than just weather or not credit or i was cheating and it wasnt a big deal til now b/c no one made it a big deal till greywolf started sending out pms. LOL i find this funny as hell Av8or----- I have not laughed so hard in the morning... Thanks--------------- Now as for working for PB I wish maybe i could afford a better pc then....... You were able to play on the freeze servers as the list was never up to date. It was set up and starting streaming as of the date without older guids (which would include yours....) Now as i have learned more and more about pb and how it works i got the list uptodate and low and behold you are banned. Now i do not know you and you do not know me------ So who to believe. Proof is in the pudding. And i posted my pudding....... Did you cheat? hey i could not say as i was not on your pc at the time of the ban. But hey i work for PB i could find out!!!!!!!!! Come on give me a break work for PB !!!!!!! Wow i do feel special But yet again someone posting information with out proof------ Show me proof that i work for PB..................

Malificent Afraid? Don't answer me cuz YOU THINK Killroy is "my puppet master".... I am asking for ME and ME alone...I deserve a respected response.... Greywolf said he'd get me a pm in a "few"...so now I am just not respected enough to get my answers? I get it...weed them out...get the ones with the $$$$ Make this a site that'll be TAXED soon! Well sorry for the delay... Had 15 + pms as well as wife yelling dinner. So i sent them. But drama continues......

I hope my ping goes down.........

Malificent greywolf2 hxtr I showed you mine--- now show me yours........ I am not posting a picture of my penis.. hahaha jk Why not i know someone here wants to see it And who is that? I think this is a personal attack... against who? I did not direct this towards anyone. I posted this so it was not a attack Ok for me it is about proof. As i am a streaming admin at pbbans i get to see a few more things than others....... First off i see the normal stuff The banned guid and the pbbans violation. Then beyond that is where i see more......... I first see that the IP that was using the game at the time it was banned was From the Netherlands. Ok after that i see all the aliases used by the person running the game Then i can see the IP's that are used by the owner of the game. Now here comes the last part The IP used when the game was banned is the same exact IP used by Credit here on the forums....... I am not accusing Credit of cheating..... But most of you hear do not want to listen to proof........ I showed you mine--- now show me yours........

hxtr I showed you mine--- now show me yours........ I am not posting a picture of my penis.. hahaha jk Why not i know someone here wants to see it

Ok for me it is about proof. As i am a streaming admin at pbbans i get to see a few more things than others....... First off i see the normal stuff The banned guid and the pbbans violation. Then beyond that is where i see more......... I first see that the IP that was using the game at the time it was banned was From the Netherlands. Ok after that i see all the aliases used by the person running the game Then i can see the IP's that are used by the owner of the game. Now here comes the last part The IP used when the game was banned is the same exact IP used by Credit here on the forums....... I am not accusing Credit of cheating..... But most of you hear do not want to listen to proof........ I showed you mine--- now show me yours........

I will get a pm out to ya in just a few mal....

Again to those who claim to think all of the problems are only due to PB I would like to see some proof to back all of your claims that pb does not work..... I will admit pb has had false claims and most of them are corrected. But still in all of these post i have yet to see any thing that shows PB is a piece of shit..... i would venture to guess 60- 80 % of COD4 servers are running pb enabled. So are the 60 -80 percent that have them running it by mistake??? Most of all bans if appealed and claims that a false positive was the cause are then duplicated and tested by pb. If found to create a false positive then by all means bans are lifted. If not well you know.... So for once post proof PB is a useless tool rather than just speculate... Now the one in question who is the concern is credit. Now not once have i accused him of cheating or hacking.... If by some chance his guid was stolen then when banned (and as i am a streaming admin at pbbans i see a bit more info than others) Not only does it show all of his aliases associated to the guid but it also shoes the IP as to where the person --- who's guid got banned is located at. Credit if you seen his location is in the Netherlands but real close to him... So if a stolen guid ended up near him--- what are the odds....... Again i say show me proof----I have

Milky oh yea btw depending on what site you look on grey there is waaaay more banned than just the 68000 :-D there are like 250 services simular to PB out there so i would guess that close to a million are banned by now!! haha Nope if you are streamind to pbbans there is to date only 61,381 bans. So sorry to bust your buble pbbans only streams 61K+ bans

USAPLISKEN DEEJAYKEG "The discomfort I feel when I read of such bans is born of two things: i) my ignorance as to how PunkBuster works; ii) the possibility that people are being branded as something they are not and made to suffer because a piece of software doesn't work as it should." I know I have ben kicked because of errors in game files after play for 2 hrs. then went back in and it was ok . The old clan we had (BHD game) didnt use punk buster because it was not reliable as I recall. Greywolf I know you will do your best and im shure pb is much better than in the old days of BHD but no soft wear is 100% we all have learned to deal with problems in them.. And I too use the dot on my screen and steady aim to hip shoot like Shamu ,, but my internet sucks and some times I dont get the shot or all the map files and get kicked by pb. my 2 cents I have never said pb is a 100% anti cheat program.... But most of the time it works..... Your instances in getting kicked by pb as to others getting a game hook multi hack aimbot wallhack pb hack are really different.

Dark pm me the admin you have in question an by all means i will get to the bottom of it. As we only streamed to freeze 2 in the past no one then ever posted a appeal asking why they were banned from freeze 2... But now streaming to all (again to keep XI servers clean) only those so far are the ones i have on list.

Dark Asylumn greywolf2 Everyone needs to stop worrying about did he hack or not... We can not babysit every clan members pc here. So If by some odd chance your CD key is stolen or your grandma's brothers/ sisters/ girlfriend put a aimbot on your game , we can not determine who did it or why it was done. With every game or cheat detection there will be some issues, But for all you PB haters the system works real good. It is not always perfect but it works. I do not care if you are the Founding father here at XI or the newest member----- If your guid is banned (wether you cheated or not) you are subjected to the same thing as those who have now been asked to remove there tags. If my guid came up banned -------------guess what? I would have the same fate as anyone here.... Everyone here is so caught up in the ohhh he is not a cheater ---or how can we go to a system that (streaming) that is so wrong. For all of you who do not know we have been streaming on freeze tag 2 for damn near a year+. Never had we had any trouble before----- But low and behold we stream to the other servers where those who have a banned guid show up most are now banned... So why have we never had any complaints the whole time we have been streaming to 1 server? It is because most of those players did not play there.... i believe there was a higher up member that received a pb global ban. he bought a new copy and still has his tags. I hate to interject here but I am in agreeance with a few other members here. streaming pb might not be the right approach to patroling our servers. it seems like we didnt have a huge problems with cheaters here I mean what we get maybe 5-8 a week between all of our servers. now even members that we are "really" sure didnt cheat are getting banned. There has to be another way to solve this tiny problem we have without creating a huge problem to replace it We have never had any trouble with streaming to our servers before.......... As you may have read from my post Server 2 has been streaming for a long time------- No bitching then---- So why now? Because we are streaming to the other servers----- and now those who did not play on the streaming server are now hit with a ban............. What gets me is those who are chimming in here DO you really know how a ban is placed either by a software or by just a admin????????? Educate yourselves first or pmme your questions......... We are streaming to our servers to help keep our servers clean..... I mean if you have ever been in one of the servers and all you here is your a cheat your a hack.... Admins here can tell you they get hit up all the time to check on a player....... Streaming helps.... Bottom line is know who gets on your pc. Out of the millionssssssssss of COD4 games sold---- So far to date only 68000 have been banned..............

DEEJAYKEG The discomfort I feel when I read of such bans is born of two things: i) my ignorance as to how PunkBuster works; ii) the possibility that people are being branded as something they are not and made to suffer because a piece of software doesn't work as it should. In my mind, there is a radical difference between conduct observed and recorded on the clan servers (and the subsequent ban by Admin and appeal process, that I see as fair to all) and a piece of software dredging through historic records elsewhere, the reliability of which cannot, by their very nature, be verified by the Admins here. The conclusions reached by the latter may be, to use a legalese term, "unsafe and unsatisfactory". If one has never hacked or used an exploit of some kind, this shouldn't be a concern but does one have 100% confidence in PunkBuster and the associated data?? As with any game now days some sort of anti cheat software will be associated with it. Let me give you just a rough figure----- Out of the Millions of COD4 games sold-------------- to date there is only 65000 + bans on the pbbans list (it is probably closer to 68K but i am at work and do not have the exact #) Thats a small ammount considering the ammount of games sold........ No one is forcing any one to play a game that has a anti cheat program attached to it.... Simple do as millions have done so far-------- Enjoyed the game. (And yes i know not every one has hacked------ but pb is a good tool for many clans....... You think by removing the very few here due to pbbans is ruff? Try going into many servers and try swearing as we can in ours--------- you would be banned without notice............/.

LaRSin I have a question , If you get a new key , they will be a loud to play on the servers right ? I thought I read some where if you get a pb band that it will be connected to some peace of hardware on the computer and a new key won't help unless you change your computer hardware, Hell maybe I'm just out to lunch on this , But I thought I read it some where ?? There is a ban which is placed through hardware but that is placed by PB themselves as for those who dare to alter or try to manipulate you pb files them selves. If )And the ban # is in the 13000's ) you get a hardware ban then any and every game that runs PB you will not be able to play in a pb enabled game......... If you did not get a pb hardware ban --- then yes all you need to do is buy a new game and you can play in any pb enabled server without any trouble( unless you caught cheating)

Everyone needs to stop worrying about did he hack or not... We can not babysit every clan members pc here. So If by some odd chance your CD key is stolen or your grandma's brothers/ sisters/ girlfriend put a aimbot on your game , we can not determine who did it or why it was done. With every game or cheat detection there will be some issues, But for all you PB haters the system works real good. It is not always perfect but it works. I do not care if you are the Founding father here at XI or the newest member----- If your guid is banned (wether you cheated or not) you are subjected to the same thing as those who have now been asked to remove there tags. If my guid came up banned -------------guess what? I would have the same fate as anyone here.... Everyone here is so caught up in the ohhh he is not a cheater ---or how can we go to a system that (streaming) that is so wrong. For all of you who do not know we have been streaming on freeze tag 2 for damn near a year+. Never had we had any trouble before----- But low and behold we stream to the other servers where those who have a banned guid show up most are now banned... So why have we never had any complaints the whole time we have been streaming to 1 server? It is because most of those players did not play there....

hxtr But his was automatic right SOB or was it placed by and Admin? All of the members asked to remove tags were not banned by a admin. Any and all who show up on our pbbans list are checked by me to ensure that the ban was due to a hack/cheat/injected .dll or such before anything is discussed. So I myself will make sure of this.

The members that were asked to remove there tags was because there game guid was banned by pbbans and not by a admin banning them via a pb ban. When a members guid showes up as a pb ban we go and run the guid ourselves and determine if it is a legitimate ban. If a guid was banned by a admin which was banned as a pb ban then when we run his guid at pbbans or the several other sites we can there it will show wether the ban is a ban by Hack/cheat/injected .dll or others then it will show up as a ban. If it was just a admin banning them by pb the guid will show up clean. Also when i update the streaming daily it would also remove any none pbbans from the list. So thanks for your concern for those having to turn in there tags, As this was not a easy choice made---- but one that was made.. I for one hope all will appeal there ban and win. But till then they are free to play on any XI servers (only if they buy a new game) as a guest.... Shamu i hope this helps you understand a bit more.... If you or anyone has questions on how pb works or anything pm me and i will do my best to answer or lead you to the right person to answer your questions.

OK this is for all to read. No where in the pm sent to those asked to remove there tags did we ever say they were cheaters or hack!!!!!!!!!! NO WHERE!!!!!!!! SO GET THAT OUT OF YOUR HEAD. 2nd) They are free to continue to play on all XI servers ---------IF---------- they buy a new game------ but will not be able to wear the tags. We are not turning our backs on anyone---- But we are streaming pbbans to all of our servers. We are not here to say you cheated----------But I also stated you can appeal your ban to pbbans/PB/ or Evenbalance and if they reverse it by all means you will be allowed back. SO Do not turn this into a witch hunt and think for any reason we will not look out for any and all XI members. Av8or--------- you were never given any special pass to play on our servers with your guid banned so long ago. We were not streaming back then so that is the real reason you were not asked to leave, no one had any clue your guid was banned untill it showed up when we started streaming...

Credit in my pm I advise all to appeal there ban with pbbans and try to get it lifted. And if so you would be allowed to again wear XI tags. But until then we have no other alternative but have those effected to remove there tags and clear there name. And also i say in the pm you are allowed to play on any XI servers if you like( without the tags).

Its about Fucking time mule------- Good luck and will see you in the game when you get all set....

As a current back problem patient, Last year had a MRI (3rd one so far) leg nerve conductive study followed by several xrays and then physical theropy........ The first thing the doc told me since i have several buldging discs along with some tearing as well as nerves being piched Ice will not do any thing for it. Ice and the heating is used when you have a muscle pull or strain. Heating pad alone is what they suggest. After the 3rd visit to the physical theropy they tried to realign my hips---------- 2 days later i was in moderate pain for 2 days but after that i was ok. Next visit apon telling themm of my discomfort with the realigning the decided to traction. Well i can tell you they will never try that on me again........ Again 2 days later i started to get pain------ but by mid day Saturday i could hardly stand up without alot of pain and help. By Sunday I could no longer walk and struggled to keep the pain under control...(My doctors say that since i have a very high tolerence to pain, I will unlikly go into the ER to get looked at) My wife by now is getting a bit worried and tells me to get to the ER now. I calm here down and by Monday morning I head to the VA ER and was given a steriod shot along with pain meds (which i refuse to take-------- I hate pain meds--) So i get a Week off from work and take ibuprofen to keep the inflmation down. So from the sound of how you are describing it------ It sounds as though you have a disc compressing on a nerve.. But the spasm's also sound as it could be a very bad muscle strain (which is also very painful) with that rest and ibuprofen will start to help you there as well as after try to start some light back exercises to protect against future problems.... Are you getting pain shotting down your leg also? If not then you are probably with a disc issue only...... Bad thing is no matter how you slice it the Docs is the only solution.... They do give you some exercises to do so as to strengthen the muscles around the back area........