PimpedOutPete

Welcome Moose to the great disfunctional family you will ever be apart of.. Cheers

Prime example of my point... Bachman's response to being asked about her thoughts on gay & civil rights.. http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.html#/video/bestoftv/2011/08/15/exp.ac.kth.bachmann.cnn?hpt=hp_t2

Wow, that should be a public device message for why NOT to take crack! That's fucked up..

That's because the Republicans are still negotiating a hand job in the capital washroom.. Those cheap bastards lol.. Good one Hx...

So u can log on as a single player? If that's the case it's a sound card conflict.. I can't recall how to fix that at the moment but when I get home.. I will check an PM you..

Lol.. On a roll judge.. Great job

Great job again

hxtr PimpedOutPete hxtr Blackbart Ron Paul for President Herman Cain for Vice President... Iran.... cant have that. I love Ron Paul............... to death. But he needs to stay doing what he does best. Bring out the conversation. I so want to have him as pres... but he just wont get elected. I have seen some radical videos and he will be made out to be a fool. I agree with him on some crazy issues 50/50 but the rest 100%. I dont know the truth. Feds.. he is right on. But we need someone with less baggage. Perry.. lots of baggage. This is going to be harder than any of us think. I dont want to be handed a candidate like McCain that no one will vote for that the BOUGHT LIBERAL MEDIA gave us last time. Supportive of him during the primaries then NUKED like in Crysis during the election. He was handed to us vy that lib media. Does anyone else see that? Lets not let that happened again.. but it will. McCain forced to produce Birth Certificate knowing full well he is and was AMC. Obama.. takes 2 years to produce one and it has 7 layers left behind from Photoshop. And anyone who asked for it was labeled a racist. And if you disbleave the fake one produced... you will get a FEMA camp invite. hahahaha Obama 2012... might as well get used to it.. What's up with take on the main stream media! Haha.. Build a bridge! It's called the main stream media because they represent the overwhelming majority of Americans. Of course the GOP candidates survive the primaries, it's because they avoid the tough questions asked by the main stream media... I want tough questions. The job isn't the night shift at the Quickie Mart.. Yes that makes sense... overwhelming voice right. Like in Germany the majority voice overcomes common sense. I understand Pete. One channel is so evil... Fox. The Devil!!! Which no one wants to watch but more watch them than the rest combines. I might be talking out my ass on that last part. AM Radio... is hated. WHY???? What lib AM radio show does shit? Name one that beats Rush, Glenn, Neal, fucking Hannity, Savage. Is that not the majority. Listen to these fucks. TV is so limited. But a closed mind.. is closed. AM... they dont sing the same song in sequence. I can prove lib media does. No Fox News has it's rightful place... I have been critical of Fox in the past for their faults media coverage but the same could made about MSNBC. As for AM radio? It's an older and cheaper method of getting your message out. I can afford better and media coverage can include radio, Internet and TV. Instead of eluding to the majority as sheep and criticizing the media... Just state your case and convince us.. That's all we ask.

Happy Birthday buddy.. I hope u have great day! Cheers

Ferret PimpedOutPete It's called the main stream media because they represent the overwhelming majority of Americans. Oooooh, you lost it there, Petey. I must call Bullshit. Gallup is about the most respected & objective polliing organizations in America. (Check ANY other poll to compare, if you wish) Gallup says as of August 1st, (and is consistent with other polls) that 41% of Americans consider themselves "Conservative".... 36% are "moderates".... and a mere 21% as "liberal". Look it up for yourself, here is a Gallup link : http://www.gallup.com/poll/148745/political-ideology-stable-conservatives-leading.aspx Almost TWICE as many Americans call themselves conservative as liberal. Yet in study after study after study after study, report after report - statistics show an OVERWHLEMING liberal bias in mainstream media "news reporting" (I can provide links to about 50 if you ask)..... if you deny that EVERY TV "news" source besides FoxNews, and EVERY newspaper/ magazine source besides the Wall Street Journal isn't overtly Obama/ Democrat biased - then you lose 50 credibility points. THAT isn't even really arguable. At LEAST 75% of the media is overtly liberal, and only 21% of the population is. Don't believe ol' Ferret, look THAT up for yourself. That is NOT "an overwhelming majority of Americans".... that is outright horseshit. (Meant respectfully). I'm a conservative Ferret, that doesn't make me Republican and vicversa. If u continue to pigeon hole most of America, you will lose my vote and many like me. Mainstream media are controlled by one thing only.. That's ratings.... If I turn off the channel, then u lose my viewership.. Calling us liberals, complaining about the media, playing the victim card gets u one thing.. Nothing but alienating the people u need to reach... That's politics!!!!!

Thank u for the history lesion, brings back memories of my poli-chy classes in university. I understand your great need to explain or sway me on benefits of the Tea Party Movement. I am not nor will I ever be a federalist. I have firm beliefs that lesions learned from the past help build a bright future. We also cant live the past as well. This is not 1780 and America is not Longer the same country. Retain the values of the past but make dam sure u live in today's world. As for the media? The mainstream media does not call the Tea Party terrorist, the leftiests Yes, but they do not speak for the vast majority. Why the fascination with the rights need to be the victim? Fox News panders to the conservative movement correct? It's not the other way around.. Then why does the right think that everyone that tunes into middle American news are sheep? That's so hypocritical. The reality is main stream news reflect how most Americans feel.. If they didn't, they would simply turn the channel. The reason main stream media toss hard questions to extreme candidates is because they are asking what most of us feel.. What do u stand for and why? If u can't withstand the scrutiny or tough questions.. Then best stay away from politics..

Well done my friend.

hxtr PimpedOutPete Ferret Pete/ Nick..... You keep saying that you want details, details, details, and specifics to the Nth degree. I respectfully submit that you can find a GREAT number of details, if you go to the candidates' websites, Tea Party websites, conservative websites, or (gasp) even watch FoxNews. If you are waiting for ANY objective or honest evaluation or reporting on conservatives or their agenda/ statements to pop up on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huffington Post, New York Times, PBS, NPR, or Comedy Central - you will be waiting a LOOOOOOOONG time. Those "GlennBeck is Satan" websites that Pete seems to frequently visit, just aren't a good source for objectively presented, honest information. In fact, they *may* be slanted in the other direction. The election is well over a year away, and more details will be fleshed out once the primaries are over. I want more specifics of Obama's "debt reduction plan", and I'm not getting it, even from dutiful Democrat networks. Same for "job creation", "economic recovery", "ending bi-partisanship", etc., etc.. So welcome to the club. But I'm telling you, you have to actually WANT to hear answers, before you can actually "hear" them. I have been married long enough to understand "selective perception" is a real thing (I can't hear the kids crying at 2 AM like my wife can, and she can yell in my ear from 3 inches away to clean out the garage and I never hear a word ). And I think maybe you do the same thing I do sometimes, which is just hearing what you want to hear. Respectfully submitted. Thanks for your post Ferret. I do watch Fox News, but they are as much a part of the problem (or more so) than anyone else. I never seen a news organization pander to political party as Fox does.. Hell MSNBC only dream they could do the same. Just take any given day and you will read multiple complaints on President Obama and the democrats in general (that's just the front page), MSNBC? Maybe some.. So why do the conservative delegate steer away from main stream media? Why do u think they do? It's obvious... The election is 2012, not 2011... They know perfectly well that there is no votes being won by answering tough questions. So they stick to the cream puff network and answer questions if they tried the deep-fried Butter at the Iowa straw poll. I have been to their websites (most) and Nick is right.. They are vague. can you please repeat and leave out the Canadian.. hahaha so joking.. but I will try and read again and try and understand what you are saying.. Love you Pete... you mean so well and I value that. Fuck off Hx... U bat shit crazy bastard! Haha

hxtr PimpedOutPete hxtr Ferret PimpedOutPete No overlap in jurisdiction... More government control to the states while some key areas remain under federal law. Does that make me a moderate republican now?.. (lol) I don't know about that, but it sure puts you in direct conflict with the Progressive agenda. The question Pete.. how do we get there.. who do we elect to see that happen. I would like you to tell me what democrat will take us down that road. This should be funny. What democrat? Lol... I'm kind of stuck with one or should I say we are. If Obama wins I'm hoping he will have his tail firmly between his legs and will begin listening to the vast majority of Americans, not the extremists. So hard to convince you... imagine the rest of the country who aint paying attention to shit. At least you think about it. We are fucked!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not their fault.. they been brain washed. I can be swaid to vote GOP... I have been in the past, several times.. Depends on the candidate.

hxtr Blackbart Ron Paul for President Herman Cain for Vice President... Iran.... cant have that. I love Ron Paul............... to death. But he needs to stay doing what he does best. Bring out the conversation. I so want to have him as pres... but he just wont get elected. I have seen some radical videos and he will be made out to be a fool. I agree with him on some crazy issues 50/50 but the rest 100%. I dont know the truth. Feds.. he is right on. But we need someone with less baggage. Perry.. lots of baggage. This is going to be harder than any of us think. I dont want to be handed a candidate like McCain that no one will vote for that the BOUGHT LIBERAL MEDIA gave us last time. Supportive of him during the primaries then NUKED like in Crysis during the election. He was handed to us vy that lib media. Does anyone else see that? Lets not let that happened again.. but it will. McCain forced to produce Birth Certificate knowing full well he is and was AMC. Obama.. takes 2 years to produce one and it has 7 layers left behind from Photoshop. And anyone who asked for it was labeled a racist. And if you disbleave the fake one produced... you will get a FEMA camp invite. hahahaha Obama 2012... might as well get used to it.. What's up with take on the main stream media! Haha.. Build a bridge! It's called the main stream media because they represent the overwhelming majority of Americans. Of course the GOP candidates survive the primaries, it's because they avoid the tough questions asked by the main stream media... I want tough questions. The job isn't the night shift at the Quickie Mart..

hxtr Ferret PimpedOutPete No overlap in jurisdiction... More government control to the states while some key areas remain under federal law. Does that make me a moderate republican now?.. (lol) I don't know about that, but it sure puts you in direct conflict with the Progressive agenda. The question Pete.. how do we get there.. who do we elect to see that happen. I would like you to tell me what democrat will take us down that road. This should be funny. What democrat? Lol... I'm kind of stuck with one or should I say we are. If Obama wins I'm hoping he will have his tail firmly between his legs and will begin listening to the vast majority of Americans, not the extremists.

Ferret Pete/ Nick..... You keep saying that you want details, details, details, and specifics to the Nth degree. I respectfully submit that you can find a GREAT number of details, if you go to the candidates' websites, Tea Party websites, conservative websites, or (gasp) even watch FoxNews. If you are waiting for ANY objective or honest evaluation or reporting on conservatives or their agenda/ statements to pop up on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huffington Post, New York Times, PBS, NPR, or Comedy Central - you will be waiting a LOOOOOOOONG time. Those "GlennBeck is Satan" websites that Pete seems to frequently visit, just aren't a good source for objectively presented, honest information. In fact, they *may* be slanted in the other direction. The election is well over a year away, and more details will be fleshed out once the primaries are over. I want more specifics of Obama's "debt reduction plan", and I'm not getting it, even from dutiful Democrat networks. Same for "job creation", "economic recovery", "ending bi-partisanship", etc., etc.. So welcome to the club. But I'm telling you, you have to actually WANT to hear answers, before you can actually "hear" them. I have been married long enough to understand "selective perception" is a real thing (I can't hear the kids crying at 2 AM like my wife can, and she can yell in my ear from 3 inches away to clean out the garage and I never hear a word ). And I think maybe you do the same thing I do sometimes, which is just hearing what you want to hear. Respectfully submitted. What's my take on small government? Well read my post prior to. I pretty well mapped out what federal/ state jurisdiction consisted of... This would reduce redundant departments and hand more power to constituents and state legislatures. I appreciate your thoughts on social subjects Ferret but that's not the official GOP (Tea Party) outline on them. You my friend have democratic thoughts and feelings on this subject. I know u know that the GOP (TeaParty) stance on these issues are complete difftent, but they are not talking, and for good reason.

Ferret Pete/ Nick..... You keep saying that you want details, details, details, and specifics to the Nth degree. I respectfully submit that you can find a GREAT number of details, if you go to the candidates' websites, Tea Party websites, conservative websites, or (gasp) even watch FoxNews. If you are waiting for ANY objective or honest evaluation or reporting on conservatives or their agenda/ statements to pop up on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huffington Post, New York Times, PBS, NPR, or Comedy Central - you will be waiting a LOOOOOOOONG time. Those "GlennBeck is Satan" websites that Pete seems to frequently visit, just aren't a good source for objectively presented, honest information. In fact, they *may* be slanted in the other direction. The election is well over a year away, and more details will be fleshed out once the primaries are over. I want more specifics of Obama's "debt reduction plan", and I'm not getting it, even from dutiful Democrat networks. Same for "job creation", "economic recovery", "ending bi-partisanship", etc., etc.. So welcome to the club. But I'm telling you, you have to actually WANT to hear answers, before you can actually "hear" them. I have been married long enough to understand "selective perception" is a real thing (I can't hear the kids crying at 2 AM like my wife can, and she can yell in my ear from 3 inches away to clean out the garage and I never hear a word ). And I think maybe you do the same thing I do sometimes, which is just hearing what you want to hear. Respectfully submitted. I would never say I was an authority on American Politics. I lived many years there and most likely will retire there as well. What disadvantages both Nick and myself have, we do also have major advantages in living in cultures different from America, living in a alternate political system.. Knowledge is invaluable. You are gravely mistaken if u think most moderates or democrats are leftist liberals like President Obama. There are many small government moderate democrats like myself. You are also wrong if u think all democrats want to spend money, Clinton was a small government democrat and moved the party to the right when it came to economics. If the GOP (Tea Party) want to regain power and implement their policy, they then better listening to my concerns and Nicks or u will lose the VAST majority of Americans who feel the same..

Ferret Pete/ Nick..... You keep saying that you want details, details, details, and specifics to the Nth degree. I respectfully submit that you can find a GREAT number of details, if you go to the candidates' websites, Tea Party websites, conservative websites, or (gasp) even watch FoxNews. If you are waiting for ANY objective or honest evaluation or reporting on conservatives or their agenda/ statements to pop up on CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huffington Post, New York Times, PBS, NPR, or Comedy Central - you will be waiting a LOOOOOOOONG time. Those "GlennBeck is Satan" websites that Pete seems to frequently visit, just aren't a good source for objectively presented, honest information. In fact, they *may* be slanted in the other direction. The election is well over a year away, and more details will be fleshed out once the primaries are over. I want more specifics of Obama's "debt reduction plan", and I'm not getting it, even from dutiful Democrat networks. Same for "job creation", "economic recovery", "ending bi-partisanship", etc., etc.. So welcome to the club. But I'm telling you, you have to actually WANT to hear answers, before you can actually "hear" them. I have been married long enough to understand "selective perception" is a real thing (I can't hear the kids crying at 2 AM like my wife can, and she can yell in my ear from 3 inches away to clean out the garage and I never hear a word ). And I think maybe you do the same thing I do sometimes, which is just hearing what you want to hear. Respectfully submitted. Thanks for your post Ferret. I do watch Fox News, but they are as much a part of the problem (or more so) than anyone else. I never seen a news organization pander to political party as Fox does.. Hell MSNBC only dream they could do the same. Just take any given day and you will read multiple complaints on President Obama and the democrats in general (that's just the front page), MSNBC? Maybe some.. So why do the conservative delegate steer away from main stream media? Why do u think they do? It's obvious... The election is 2012, not 2011... They know perfectly well that there is no votes being won by answering tough questions. So they stick to the cream puff network and answer questions if they tried the deep-fried Butter at the Iowa straw poll. I have been to their websites (most) and Nick is right.. They are vague.

NickTheGrip Ferret "I want to see plans", "I want to see actions". See, that's what I'm talking about.... that's the POINT. You just don't get it. Your perspective is that the Federal government should be in charge of everything, should utterly CONTROL everything and everyone. That just isn't the way it works in America. Government is ***NOT*** "the boss", the people are. The Federal gov't has strictly limited powers, the STATES have the rest. I understand that may not be your cultural background or how you were raised & educated..... but that being the case, your frame of reference disallows you from understanding. There's certainly nothing wrong with that, but without stepping back and re-examining the factual basis of your understanding of American gov't, it's a moot point to even argue about it. It's like trying to explain what hot, dry, desert sand is like.... to a fish on the bottom of a deep arctic ocean. I'll respectfully try one more time, and that's it. The Constitution of the United States gives a VERY strict and limited role/authority to the Federal Gov't. It is basically granted powers to provide for the common defense, protect our sovereignty, negotiate foreign treaties, mint currency, oversee the states' adherence to the Constitution, and to collect taxes. And that is really about it. Everything else... EVERYTHING ELSE - falls back to the states. 10th Amendment says CLEARLY: (quote) "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Our country is NOT based on a monarchy, dictatorship, a Politburo, communism, socialism, plutocracy, oligarchy, theocracy, or tribalism.... it is based on Federalism - which means it is a collection of individual states, in which the Federal gov't has strictly limited powers, and ALL other powers fall back to the individual STATES and the people. Which means the Federal gov't does **NOT** have the Constitutional authority to tell me which cars I can/ can't drive, what foods I can/can't eat, how much electricity or gas I can/can't use, where I can/can't live, what kind of light bulbs I am allowed to own, force me to buy health insurance, and ten thousand other restrictions that they have NO authority to do. Now arguably, states CAN do most of these things. But what is inarguable, is that the Fedreal gov't can NOT. Individual states are much more under the direct control of the voters, which is WHY such things are allotted to the states - again, reference the 10th Amendment's crystal clear words. The Federal gov't/ Washington DC is basically now 100% controlled by lobbyists, a heavily biased media, immensely wealthy power-brokers, and obedient slavish bureaucrats. Washington DC is a sewer of corruption and lies, and it is tearing the country to shreds. If you put that much power & money into the hands of so few, that's what happens EVERY TIME. Unfortunately, that is human nature. Which is EXACTLY why the Constitution was written the way it was. Yep, those Founding Fathers knew EXACTLY what they were doing, when they wrote the Constitution the very specific way they did. Our point is, that the Federal gov't has WAY superceded it's specifically granted Constitutional powers. The VERY FIRST sentence in the body of the United States Constitution states clearly: (and I QUOTE) "ALL legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." (unquote) Yet we currently have well over a HUNDRED Federal agencies that..... wait for it..... MAKE FEDERAL LAW. Federal laws that are made/enforced by *un-elected* bureacrats that have virtually NO accountability to voters, that are *appointed* by grinning politicians based on their political debts & cronyism. See the direct contradiction? I'll break it down to simpler terms.... Laws & legislation are being "passed", by entitites OTHER than the Congress, which directly contradicts THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE OF THE CONSTITUTION. You are arguing about what the Federal gov't should/ shouldn't be doing (based on your own personal opinions & feelings).... we are telling you what the Federal gov't CAN/ CAN'T DO LEGALLY (based on the Constitution). The Constitution isn't an emotion or opinion, it is an ink-on-paper legal document. Re-Read the Constitution... I'm sure you have before, but do it again. Better yet, read the Articles of Confederation, which were essays written by the AUTHORS of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights - to clearly and unquestionably explain EXACTLY what they meant, when they wrote our Founding Documents. If you do so, you may understand our point better. If you have a good legal background, you may even end up agreeing. If you don't, then you will simply *never* understand what we are talking about, and will be forced to simply mock & ridicule, instead of making a cogent or contradictory point. You want to hear our "plan", want to see some "actions"? Fine: Our "plan" to get the Federal gov't the fuck out of our personal lives, take back the powers that they have illegally & un-Consitutionally SIEZED for themselves, and force them to honor & respect the crystal-clear intent & legalities of our Founding Documents. The "action" will be to get Obama & socialistic Progressives the hell out of office ASAP (if not sooner). I will go "wash my pussy" now..... but one thing I will NOT do, is wipe my ass with Constitution, nor will I allow anyone else to do so. You missed my point completely These candidates say they want to do things but I want to hear how they plan to do it. It is easy to say "smaller government" but how do they plan to perform that impossible feat - just walk up one day and say "here, it is all yours people - have fun" I don't want them to plan my life, but if someone is coming in to my house to build an addition I don't say "have at it". I want to see how they plan to achieve what they promise. Simply handing over the reins of government to the people would be akin to anarchy. There has to be substance behind the promises, not just empty words Dam right...(lol) It's easy to complain.. And mention words like small government.. I want details on how this will be achieved and the effects.

Excuse me, I wasn't listening haha...

Ferret NickTheGrip I have still yet to hear anything on how they will actually fix anything. All I hear is "Obama must go" Wait, I know, lets give all the money to the "job creators" because they have done a hell of a job so far creating those positions (pity most of them are in other countries.) I have yet to see where giving tax breaks to the rich and allowing the kind of loopholes us working stiffs could never use actually helps us. I am all for a flat tax - Tax everyone the same, get rid of the IRS for normal people, and dump all the loopholes and such. When I hear some credible ideas I will be more than happy to listen. I hear "smaller government" but nothing more of how or what I hear "lower taxes", yeah, but on who? I hear a lot of......................nothing really. The problem is, it is very difficult to unseat a sitting president. It's like the home field advantage. In recent memory (if it serves me correctly), only Carter and Bush Sr. were one-termers. (I don't count Nixon or Ford, or Kennedy - I am talking about actual presidencies that were complete and re-election was sought.) If you want to sway the moderates like Pete and I, which is who would win the election for you, you need to say something worth listening to. Something tangible, something credible, something people can believe in. Not the simple rhetoric of hate and pettiness. Until then I am firmly on the fence. I hate Obama and despise a lot of what he has done. He is way too far left for my taste, but I see an equally great evil on the far right and Bachmann and Perry, to name a couple, sit firmly in that niche. If that's what I have to choose between - Obama and Bachmann or Perry - shit, I have no idea who to go with. It's like deciding between being shot or stabbed I hear "smaller government" but nothing more of how or what -------------------------------------------------------- - eliminate the IRS & install a flat tax, or a thousand other proposed less corrupted tax systems... the IRS is the most corrupted thing in the United States, and "rich people" escape more taxes via the IRS than they would with just about ANY other system - Repeal Obamacare in it's entirety - eliminate the labor-union-owned Dept of Education - and let the states, localities, and citizens control education - reduce the excessive number of EXTREMELY redundant federal agencies ( too many to list here, but I can if requested) - cut EVERY federal dept's budget by 10% across the board - pass a balanced budget amendment to reduce the temptation for grinning politicians to create agencies JUST to give bureaucrats, lobbyists, & campaign donors cushy & high-paying Federal "czar" jobs. I hear "lower taxes", yeah, but on who? -------------------------------------------------------- How about lowering taxes on **EVERYBODY** You can do that when you cut spending, and the private sector and jobs will FLUORISH without so much cost burden, and cutting taxes CAN actually increase tax revenue, look up the "Laffer curve" I see an equally great evil on the far right and Bachmann and Perry -------------------------------------------------------- What "evils" do you see? Cutting spending, rolling back the illegally seized & un-Constitutional Federal power-grab, smacking Washington DC's corrupted nose out of our private & personal affairs? I see more "evil" in allowing a massive & deeply corrupted Federal gov't juggernaught & pandering/ lying politicians to take over our liberties & personal choices/decisions, than to take that power away from them. I'm not just being argumentative, my good friend..... I am asking seriously and trying to understand, what "great evil" or "threat" you see - just trying to understand. You sound a great politician Ferret but you still havent answered the question i asked from the beginning... A. Healthcare... If your about to dump it on the states, what would u wish to see happen to improve quality (for its in the stinker now...and dropping like a rock!!.. B. Gay Rights.. Evvery Tea Party and Republican are dodging that one like mad. America is becoming more & more liberal on the subject and the Tea Party (which are more Right of moderate GOP's) have made their feelings on the subject very well known in years past.. You rather lock them up & throw away the key... So what is their stance, I want to see them go on the record. C. Roe vs Wade... Another Federal Law that the Tea Party have been null on... Why?...They have made well aware in the past that they would appeal it... If they think otherwise, why havent they gone on the record.. D. Immigration... A federal mandate.. All complaints with no solutions to date.. E. Foreign Policy... What is the Tea Parties stance on foreign policy... Iraq, Iran, North Korea... F. Social Programs.. If you choose to cut them, what do you do with the millions that survive on them?. (Im not condoning these programs just asking what would happen). G. America's gluttony on foreign Energy?.... You hate the Muslims and call them terorists (or many of you have done).. But you buy their Oil... thats so hypocritical.. H.. So you get elected and you reduce federal government.. But State goverment grows incredibly large along with the need for more state funds to pay for these expences. I..So you slay the federal demon... but you create a new one at the state level or county level... Do you not think there is corruption at the state/county level.. Instead of millions of dollars spent on guying federal votes... All u will need is a cheap hooker and Big Mac meal to bribe someone at the county level.. Hey you just reduced the deficit! hahahahaha One last thing... So your no longer a slave to a federal goverment... but traded it in to a state one... You question my intelligence in telling me I dont understand or its cultural... The reality is I do get it...but I have thought it out one step farther. Like i said in the past..Sometimes Im wrong but I dont paint myself in a corner but rather see the entire picture... So you get elected and you dump this entire mess on the counties and states... Is that it?.. Your telling me its no longer your problem, its theres?.. Thats the answer?.. The funny thing is I agree on smaller government.. smaller more efficent one thats the diffence.

Blackbart Ferret "I want to see plans", "I want to see actions". See, that's what I'm talking about.... that's the POINT. You just don't get it. Your perspective is that the Federal government should be in charge of everything, should utterly CONTROL everything and everyone. That just isn't the way it works in America. Government is "the boss", the people are. The Federal gov't has strictly limited powers, the STATES have the rest. I understand that may not be your cultural background or how you were raised & educated..... but that being the case, your frame of reference disallows you from understanding. There's certainly nothing wrong with that, but without stepping back and re-examining the factual basis of your understanding of American gov't, it's a moot point to even argue about it. It's like trying to explain what hot, dry, desert sand is like.... to a fish on the bottom of a deep arctic ocean. I'll respectfully try one more time, and that's it. The Constitution of the United States gives a VERY strict and limited role/authority to the Federal Gov't. It is basically granted powers to provide for the common defense, protect our sovereignty, negotiate foreign treaties, mint currency, oversee the states' adherence to the Constitution, and to collect taxes. And that is really about it. Everything else... EVERYTHING ELSE - falls back to the states. 10th Amendment says CLEARLY: (quote) "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Our country is NOT based on a monarchy, dictatorship, a Politburo, communism, socialism, plutocracy, oligarchy, theocracy, or tribalism.... it is based on Federalism - which means it is a collection of individual states, in which the Federal gov't has strictly limited powers, and ALL other powers fall back to the individual STATES and the people. Which means the Federal gov't does **NOT** have the Constitutional authority to tell me which cars I can/ can't drive, what foods I can/can't eat, how much electricity or gas I can/can't use, where I can/can't live, what kind of light bulbs I am allowed to own, force me to buy health insurance, and ten thousand other restrictions that they have NO authority to do. Now arguably, states CAN do most of these things. But what is inarguable, is that the Fedreal gov't can NOT. Individual states are much more under the direct control of the voters, which is WHY such things are allotted to the states - again, reference the 10th Amendment's crystal clear words. The Federal gov't/ Washington DC is basically now 100% controlled by lobbyists, a heavily biased media, immensely wealthy power-brokers, and obedient slavish bureaucrats. Washington DC is a sewer of corruption and lies, and it is tearing the country to shreds. If you put that much power & money into the hands of so few, that's what happens EVERY TIME. Unfortunately, that is human nature. Which is EXACTLY why the Constitution was written the way it was. Yep, those Founding Fathers knew EXACTLY what they were doing, when they wrote the Constitution the very specific way they did. Our point is, that the Federal gov't has WAY superceded it's specifically granted Constitutional powers. The VERY FIRST sentence in the body of the United States Constitution states clearly: (and I QUOTE) "ALL legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." (unquote) Yet we currently have well over a HUNDRED Federal agencies that..... wait for it..... MAKE FEDERAL LAW. Federal laws that are made/enforced by *un-elected* bureacrats that have virtually NO accountability to voters, that are *appointed* by grinning politicians based on their political debts & cronyism. See the direct contradiction? I'll break it down to simpler terms.... Laws & legislation are being "passed", by entitites OTHER than the Congress, which directly contradicts THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE OF THE CONSTITUTION. You are arguing about what the Federal gov't should/ shouldn't be doing (based on your own personal opinions & feelings).... we are telling you what the Federal gov't CAN/ CAN'T DO LEGALLY (based on the Constitution). The Constitution isn't an emotion or opinion, it is an ink-on-paper legal document. Re-Read the Constitution... I'm sure you have before, but do it again. Better yet, read the Articles of Confederation, which were essays written by the AUTHORS of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights - to clearly and unquestionably explain EXACTLY what they meant, when they wrote our Founding Documents. If you do so, you may understand our point better. If you have a good legal background, you may even end up agreeing. If you don't, then you will simply *never* understand what we are talking about, and will be forced to simply mock & ridicule, instead of making a cogent or contradictory point. You want to hear our "plan", want to see some "actions"? Fine: Our "plan" to get the Federal gov't the fuck out of our personal lives, take back the powers that they have illegally & un-Consitutionally SIEZED for themselves, and force them to honor & respect the crystal-clear intent & legalities of our Founding Documents. The "action" will be to get Obama & socialistic Progressives the hell out of office ASAP (if not sooner). I will go "wash my pussy" now..... but one thing I will NOT do, is wipe my ass with Constitution, nor will I allow anyone else to do so. I stand and salute you...You have said it so clearly That even a blind person can see...Brilliant my friend... So you want a complete overhaul of the federal government. Hey Im all for that. Myself, Im with you on smaller government... This is my take... Federal government shold control.. Foreign affairs Defense Criminal law Money & banking Transportation Citizenship & immigration Trade regulations State government control... Poperty & Civil rights admistration of Justice Healthcare Welfare Education No overlap in jurisdiction... More government control to the states while some key areas remain under federal law. Does that make me a moderate republican now?.. (lol)

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NickTheGrip I have still yet to hear anything on how they will actually fix anything. All I hear is "Obama must go" Wait, I know, lets give all the money to the "job creators" because they have done a hell of a job so far creating those positions (pity most of them are in other countries.) I have yet to see where giving tax breaks to the rich and allowing the kind of loopholes us working stiffs could never use actually helps us. I am all for a flat tax - Tax everyone the same, get rid of the IRS for normal people, and dump all the loopholes and such. When I hear some credible ideas I will be more than happy to listen. I hear "smaller government" but nothing more of how or what I hear "lower taxes", yeah, but on who? I hear a lot of......................nothing really. The problem is, it is very difficult to unseat a sitting president. It's like the home field advantage. In recent memory (if it serves me correctly), only Carter and Bush Sr. were one-termers. (I don't count Nixon or Ford, or Kennedy - I am talking about actual presidencies that were complete and re-election was sought.) If you want to sway the moderates like Pete and I, which is who would win the election for you, you need to say something worth listening to. Something tangible, something credible, something people can believe in. Not the simple rhetoric of hate and pettiness. Until then I am firmly on the fence. I hate Obama and despise a lot of what he has done. He is way too far left for my taste, but I see an equally great evil on the far right and Bachmann and Perry, to name a couple, sit firmly in that niche. If that's what I have to choose between - Obama and Bachmann or Perry - shit, I have no idea who to go with. It's like deciding between being shot or stabbed Excellent post Nick.. Im tired of the complaints..I want to see actions...