Exactly Hardcore. I meant that that's all we needed, not kicking and banning. I completely understand mofo's point, we play mostly for fun, and some people, like the RAGE clan come in with the goal to win. But at the end of the map, it's usually an XI member and other players topping the leaderboard, rarely is it the same player or players placing in the top 3 each map. We have started to get some really good players in the server over the last month or so, and sometimes they piss me off to no end because I'm, at best, an average player. But, the competition makes me a better, if sometimes frustrated, player. We have also started to get a group of regulars who are coming on our server every night to play, and I think that kicking and banning for minor problems, like 3 clanmates playing on the same team, sends a bad message about our server to those other players. If the RAGE guys (let's face it, that's who we are talking about) are kicking our ass, maybe we should work on better XI teamplay, not kicking them from our server. Just my $.02.