X-Ray,I understand what you are saying, not what I was trying to get across. Here in Can it is not such an issue, but, my problem is with mostly with the the pers that show up here with a visitor pass, mostly Sihks and Asian nationals. Once they miss their return date, they apply for immigrant/refugee status. This takes up to 2 years to go through the appeal process, during that time they get $1400-$2500 a month from our gov's social services program, if they happen to have a child during that time, it goes up to $3000 and their status gets upgraded. Where I was going with the post(not to start shit, I go to Fort Bliss twice a year) was that pers who enter ILLEGALY(knowingly), should be given the above option. We up here ar 1/7 the size of the USA and its a drain on our $$$ / medical and social services, I am scared to think on what kind of stress this puts on the your States.Cheers TooT