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Great introduction Sexy.. Good to see u on the forums. Yes, envite your friends and enjoy the servers buddy.. Cheers

I will be there later... Cheers to then.

lol..Great end to that post Dragon... Nice one...

I think he was saying.. Lets do that shit again boys!..hahahaha

Happy Birthday Google.. Have a great day buddy..Cheers

PrimalFear Gomer Pyle PrimalFear This is not a new subject, we have talked about it in the politics section where it belongs. First thing the gay community asked for was tolerance, once they achieved tolerance they expected acceptance, now they are seeking celebration and the changing of our laws for their own special interests. Baby steps vs Brass tacks: Marriage (Matrimony) is a sacrament, a holy sacred union between a man and a woman and god. Homosexuality is an abomination against god. There are tons of passages but one will do, weather people want to confront the issue or not, it is our culture and religion of the overwhelming majority of our country and therefore valid to mention. But inappropriate to debate. (Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.) Gay marriage is asking holy people to condone an abomination against god. (not gonna happen, not realistic and certainly not reasonable) The only solution I see to this problem is to create a civil union process, a contract where any two adults can agree to share property from a strictly legal standpoint, it could be two siblings, a male and female or two people of the same sex. It does not ask people with biblical viewpoints to condone anything, while still offering a solution to include all people in their right to their own pursuit of happiness. I believe it is the only solution that has any chance of passing a bill to include everyone without attacking our culture our religion or our freedom. I'm not necessary speaking my own viewpoints but rather representing those of many many people in this country and we have to be real about it. They want a bill to include them, they will have to meet the majority in the middle with something that both sides can live with, plain and simple. This is how we have done it in my state, they get the rights while still protecting the sacrament of Matrimony: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Washington PrimalFear, I agree that the civil union is the least painful process to end this strife and still give gays civil rights. However one thing I cannot understand about many Christians is the absolute certainty and conceit that their God is everyones God and should be judged accordingly. So how do you know that they are following the same God you are Primal? And if they are not then how can you deny them marriage by their God? Now if they are getting married by a Baptist minister of your sect then by all means feel free to admonish the minister by not following your particular flavor of religion but that has nothing to do with the gays themselves or their rights that you take for granted. I just want one question answered in all of this, what right, justification does anyone have to speak for everyone in this country with absolute conviction and conceit that they speak for God. By the way, your God came to me in person and told me that you were wrong, now go ahead and try to prove that I'm wrong. It is just as wrong to say because it is written in the Bible that God spoke to you and said it was wrong, That is your bible not everyones bible, go ask a Hindu what he thinks of Leviticus 20:13, I'm quite sure he would not find it in his bible. Tell me how you would feel if he started to quote passages from his bible and tell you how wrong you are in believing differently. How is it that Americans are so conceited and self righteous that they cannot entertain the thought there are other religions in the world that don't agree with their beliefs, I simply do not understand this. Most people here are disagreeing on what Christian sect they belong to in particular and what that sect is saying about the subject matter and their beliefs and completely ignor and evade the reality that other religions exist have the right exist in this world that may believe differently, and that my friends is the crux of many of the problems of this world, and unfortuantly with the possible exception of the Dahli Lama who does preach religious tollerance most other religions of this world are just as intorlerant and conceited as Christianity, if we are ever to have peace in this world and attain the one fundamental of Christianity, (do unto others etc.) that everyone seems to miss entirely, then we are going to have to come to understand the real basis of the message and take the high road. Nit picking on individual rights as to being able to marry or not according to THEIR God is missing the boat, perhaps we should really be more concerned as to the most heinous sin and most fundamental one, and that is the one of killing each other off by the millions. But do to state agendas that is the one thing no one seems to want to talk about or reverse. Your doing exactly what I feared would happen, your arguing whether people of faith should or should not have an opinion of life based on that faith. That is a useless direction to take and you will only frustrate yourself, it would be equally useless to try and tell a gay person to not be gay. Keep in mind that biblical point of view that I posted is not necessarily my own. The issue here is that the vast overwhelming majority of the USA are people of faith, believers in a just and loving god that use the bible as their compass in life. That book makes it very clear in several chapters how homosexuality should be looked at. We have to respect that people follow it and believe in it and leave it at that. But let's look at the other two great religions for a second... The Torah is the primary source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a to'eva" (Leviticus 18:22). The Muslim Koran: Our'an (7:80-84)- "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (The story is also repeated in suras 27 and 29). Those 3 great religions represent almost everyone in the USA, at least in terms of percentages. I don't think that either of us can expect that it is realistic for people to give up the afterlife that they believe in to accommodate people that their creator has identified as essentially "unholy" all in the name of equality when those respective books mean more to those people than the Constitution itself may/does. That is of course absurd and would not yield any kind of result. It is important for us to respect that each of those people from each of those religions have their beliefs, whether you or me or anyone else agrees with them or not, to do anything other than that is a useless waste of time and energy. As Americans we have a responsibility to "embrace" that those people have those beliefs and to try to work out a mutual cooperation to both respect those great religions while still upholding the Constitution. Our opinions of those religions are not valid, it doesn't matter what we think about them. All that matters is that we understand that they exist and are valid and important when it comes to creating law because those religions will not be checked at the door on election day and I have nothing bad to say about any of them, I have only mentioned them because this is an issue of morality for them, and what they think matters, especially when they represent "most" people in a democratic process. I want to post this to anyone reading it (not directed at you Pyle) Rugger has made it very clear that bashing of any religion is a violation and will not be tolerated, so let's be careful what we say about any of these these great religions please. I don't want to cause any problems with anybody for any reason. There is no need for that and we have members in this clan from all 3 religions and their views might differ from those I stated as well. Prime is correct, not personal attacks on someone faith or religion will be tollerated. One thing we can all agree is more harm has been to mankind in the name of faith... Im a born and raised catholic but i wont take the sole word of the Bible for God lives in my heart and in my faith..not on the pages they taught me in church or catholic school.. I praise those who use faith to guide their lives, but its wrong to use your own faith to prevent others in the persute of happiness and marriage.

Welcome to the forums and Servers.. I hope to see u more ingame..... Cheers

BurningBright OMG!! lmao Still looking for that pic!!!! Look for it on facebook! hehehhe

Happy Birthday!

Cpt.TennealXI I don't see why hetero's should be the only ones to be miserable,and lose half their shit when things don't work out...lol Just tryimg to inject a bit of humour into an extremely devisive and touchy subject! lol..thx buddy..

USAPLISKEN PrimalFear / wrote There are tons of passages but one will do, weather people want to confront the issue or not, it is our culture and religion of the overwhelming majority of our country and therefore valid to mention. But inappropriate to debate. (Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.) Gay marriage is asking holy people to condone an abomination against god. (not gonna happen, not realistic and certainly not reasonable) +100 They are not asking any persons of faith for anything but exceptance and the rights and freedoms everyone should enjoy as Americans. They are not preaching nor are they picketing at our churches. This is not a question of faith, but rather a question of freedoms. Leviticus 20:13..... I have seen the quote many times but whats left out is the context in which it was used. Death is sometimes required by the Hebrew Scriptures as the punishment for ritual transgressions. These included the worshiping of other Gods, gathering sticks on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36), improper eating of ritual offerings (Numbers 18:32), ineligible persons acting as priests (Num 3:10). Over the last few centuries, most Christians and Jews have rejected Leviticus 20:13. I myself do my best not to use religious quotes for they always backfire. You pretty well have to live by the book completely or its found to be hypocritical. The institution of marriage conveys dignity and respect towards a couple that make a lifetime commitment to support each other. Same-sex couples deserve this dignity and respect. Denying marriage to same-sex couples removes from one group a fundamental, important human right -- the right to marry the person that one loves and to whom one has made a commitment. That is unfair and unjust in a democracy. These people are not asking our churches to condone this (and if they are that will most likely not happen). They want to marry as a union of two people that love each other. If we dont.. We have stept back decades and into the 1950's desriminations.

Great game tonight Peeps... PS Burn! Love the pic!... I never knew you were so photogenic! hahahaha.. Im Kidding! Luv ya! Muah!

Well guys... We ussually do this as close to the 18th of december as we can... The 18th falls on a Sunday, so most likely iy will be then.. We will post a date soon. Pete PS.. Gorilla will be banned for he cant play straight ingame or in real life.... Sorry i outed u Gorilla.. *hahahaha*

What are you talking about Hx... This kid was born and raised in a loving enviroment. By all accounts, he seems like a child that any parent could be proud of. If thats the case I dont give a shit if the kid was raised by wolves... We need more like him.. Give his lesbian parents the credit they deserve. You would do the same if they were straight..

Well its that time of year to set up the room and kill each other...

I want to be in her class.. dam!

Definitely Shane.. but then again..there would be no a-hole to root against.

MikeB >XI< Damn !!! If I would have known about this "Pimp Open", I would have played with both hands and my eyes open !!!! Ya Mike.. To much info buddy...lol

Great job again Arreinn.. Cheers

spanky gomer's a witch...BURN HIM! Lmao... Good one Spank.. "the king is dead! Long live king Gomer"...

HO HO HO .. You Ho's....

Pharticus Bigmeandean Just remember one sin is no worse than any other! I partially agree with this. From God's perspective any sin condemns us and destroy the spiritual relationship with Him. That said, sin has varying degrees of consequences for us as people. Lying will destroy trust and relationships. Murder even more so, etc. The basic foundation for families is systematically being destroyed and Satan is the mastermind behind this plan. Ever notice how "religious" holiday/celebrations have been overtaken by secularism? Halloween is celebrated the day before All Saints Day, Christmas is now about receiving gifts rather than "The Gift", and Easter has been reduced to Easter bunny gift baskets instead of Jesus' death and resurrection. I believe gays should have the same freedoms that the rest of us Americans have... they should be allowed to marry a person of opposite sex of legal age. Excellent post Pharticus... +1

Happy Birthday... Cheers

lol..Great pic

Bigmeandean Most of you know I am a spiritual believer, but let me tell you a story that happened to me! I have three children and all adults now and pretty well adjusted if I do say for myself! My oldest son was always a little different and I suspected as he grew up what he was but because I was a minister I couldn't let myself think about that! Well when he was a JR. in high school he came out of the closet to his mother, who was devastated as was to be expected! Her reaction was to tell him when he graduated he was out of the house and on his own! A few days later he told her he had struggled with it for years and almost committed suicide! As a mother she was totally touched by the tears and obvious struggle and pain he was in! This conversation had a profound impact on my family and our religious views! Today he is with a super great guy and they are considering children of their own as he loves kids! My other two kids are on their way and love their brother and see no difference in him and he is their OLDER brother who loves them very much! I believe most people feel threatened by the gay community! At one time I did, but learned I was wrong! I have since found out I have several family members who are gave as well, and this from an old stock family from way back to the days when that part of the country was settled! I wish everybody could realize they are not diseased nor weird just have a different sexual attraction. In my opinion its no different than what religious sects call fornication! Just remember one sin is no worse than any other! If you believe in God that is! Heart warming story Dean.... Well said.