Gun Nuts Please

[Dark Asylumn]

Hey guys I have a big question

 

My father had a remington 870  it took 2 1/2 " shells and had a full choke

it got stolen a few years ago ( he says stolen I say misplaced; several moves bc of a house fire)

now he is a squirell hunter and a rabbit hunter, he said that was the best damn setup he has ever had ( he bought it from a dear friend years ago)

now I am wanting to get him a replacement fopr his birthday and want to get him a 870 but I am not sure what would be good for small game hunting. I mean, I really want him to love this gun I get him and want to make sure it will be perfect for what he does. any advice will be appreciated,

and I know a few of you will probabally recommend some other gun but I am gonna stick with the 870 just bc that is what he had. I would love to get him a wingmaster but  not for the mint they ask for it compared to all the other models lo$300-$500 more lol

[Sun Tzu]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189572447

[Dark Asylumn]

thank you sun I guess youfigured out it was a 12 ga I was talking about I forgot to put that in

 

looks nice but its in camo and I am gonna get him one that is the natural color dark stock and black barrell. (it what he had)  but thanks for that it helps

[Sun Tzu]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=188288631

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=189182981

 

[Dark Asylumn]

the last one is the right color scheme though the black scheme I might have to get for myself. Question the first and last gun were just expersses the black one was a super mag I know it holds all three shell lenghts,  do I need to look at the express or the super mag

[Shamu]

Absolutely nothing wrong with just getting the 12 GA Remington 870 it's a gun with a great history. As with any shotgun you have a full range of shot sizes depending on the game animal you are hunting. If it's squirrels they are tough little buggers but my guess is #6 shot should do nicely

 

My guess is this is the model you are looking for:

 

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-wingmaster.aspx

 

Choke size is arbitrary but the full allows you to reach a little further with a tighter shot pattern. Personally I would also go for the 3" version over the 2 3/4"

 

Barrel length is another option to consider with 28" and 30" being the most common. 28" for faster shots (rabbits, grouse) 30" for longer shots with a little better sight plane ( sqirrels, goose). Basically comes down to individual preference.

 

If you want some flexibility with the choke a gunsmith can install an aftermarket adjustable choke.

 

http://www.poly-choke.com/choke2.htm

 

If your father is older and would want a lighter gun do not rule out the 20GA. Again, personal preference prevails. It's just that the 20 will be lighter and has actually become quite popular of late. Especially because of the 3" loads.

 

It would seem Gorilla and SirHurtsAlot would also be good ones to offer opinions, maybe PM them. Both are familiar with guns not that there are not others but they come to mind.

[Dark Asylumn]

thank you hagar  again I would love to get him the wingmaster but the pricepoint is way to high.  If i offered him a 20 ga he would probabaly shoot me with it (old school) I have a single shot 20 and everytime we went he would ask me if I planned on killing the fleas on the squirell or did I wanna use a real gun and actually kill one ( can I add that my aim is worse in real life then it is on our servers lol). I have been pullin bits of inffo out of him about it trying to do it without raising his suspicions. but would the super mag be better just bc of the viriety of lenghts it will hold, and also wince he is a more active squirell than rabbit hunter should I look for the 30" over a 28 like you stated previously

oh and how lax are our gun laws lol

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[trolloc]

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  If it's small game the old man is after then this beauty would due nicely.

 

[Dark Asylumn]

uhhhhh I think the commonwealth has laws on automatics lol.

but hey I want this weapons mod on the server  hey game admins can you please please please with sugar on top find a way to incorporate the aa-12 in the servers

 

ha ha  I know yall cant but would be fun lol

 

ohh upon closer examination this is the only clause about  automatic guns of the such (doesnt say automatic) which they talk about is machine guns

 

Machine Guns

It is lawful to possess, purchase, or sell a machine gun that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

[Dark Asylumn]

oh look what was dropped in my lap  5 years after we moved and bam old landlord found his gun. it was a Wingmaster after all. he got a better deal then he thought 20+ years ago lol

 

[Dark Asylumn]

oh and i watched the expendables   funny as hell action packed but there was an aa-12 in it freakin sweet lol