@@fireurza i had it set up the way i wanted it but when it came to networking it didnt put out what i needed, im big into the networking so much so that i do it everyday at my job, with that i also didnt like the way it handled my gaming, yes it is time for an upgrade for GPU on my pc but i have plenty to go around when it comes to windows 8 and gaming, my experience was not well the first time was when i did an update the entire system crashed and required a re-install. i tried again after a few thoughts, when i reinstalled the OS it went well, once again i set the system up the way i wanted it, down to the network admin set up to my Start icon being put back on the screen ( the two things i do not like about windows When i got in-game (battlefield 4) every thing went well the game booted up the graphics and GPU were doing excellent and the temps i want them to run at, but at random the network would being disruptive and lose packets making the ping shoot up to ~500-1000 kicking me out of game, i did driver updates and re-installs for everything invloving packet loss and connectivity issues, that did not solve the problem so instead of dealing with the problem, i will go back to something that wont have problems and enjoy usuing, i will give 8.1 a try, but for now i will stick to my windows 7 system for defualt and i will boot up 8.1 on my developmental drive and retry it out,