First let me say am not begrudging anyone the desire to win. My point is what can you justify in your own mind to get the win of any said game you may be playing. Today I had the opportunity all by sheer accident to see a particular player who is a quite established player do some things I know they know is wrong so they could try to get a few more kills. I took a recording but when I went to view it I can't find ot to give to an admin. But thats another matter than what this is about aside from the fact he did something he didn't think anyone could see him do and I accidentally happen to spec and it just happen to be this player at this time. He went into a glitch and was trying very hard to get some kills from there. Before he entered the glitch he made sure no one saw him go into the glitch then he entered it. As far as I am concerned it could have been a numerous other things he did like so many others I have seen do. He wanted to win that bad. would would you do to win? For me winning is great but not all that important. because its just a bonus for playing well! I believe most of us would not intentionally spawn kill as a general rule tho we all have an occasional spawn kill. Its when you come around the map and the same player kills you from the same place like happened today and the player denied it. When we confronted him he said he keeps spawning there. Well he had 4 seconds to get the hell out of Dodge every time he spawned then, but he chose to spawn kill others when they spawned in front of him. These are just a few examples of what people do to try to get the win, but most never get that all elusive win. I believe it tells us about the basic core of our selves. I hope I am wrong but the ones who push the limits till they get kicked show their real colors when they appeal. I am still wondering what do you do to get the WIN?