I figured out a little more of what was going on, That Fifi, zombie user on our team, that was never in game, was either specing someone on the other team, or using an ap that shows all the "Friendlies" on the team map. And the other guy, with the no ping, was the one running that empty user. Most likely speccing on that fifi account. He indeed had no ping for a reason, cuz if the both users had the idtentical Ping, that would have been obvious. They both Quit at exactly the same time so, that make it obvious. I seriously say we need any non players on a team kicked . No reason for players to be in game and not there. and again there are no ligit reason to have no ping in game. that the Server reporting the ping, NOT the end user client reporting the ping.. So you can not ligit hide your ping from the server. Thanks.