AH Harry you missed it the slight difference here is not STFU but grow some gonads and deal with it. There's too many people with too many demands on that server. We have to find an inbetween spot. I've told Dean he may call me out any time and we can duke this out. Its all nothing but a matter of opinion and a difference in how player perceive the rules. I've got Cat and DJ trying to teach me how to be more Head Adim like and I love that I have players telling me what they like and want and somewhere in that mix we have to find common ground. I think the DM server is great and from time to time Beers tosses in a candy for everybody . It works there is no reason to change gameplay. What I think is missing is the player are not finding ways to switch up their game when the flow changes.