Ironcity Posted July 30, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) A Samsung Pro 256Gb SSD SATA III sells for $240. A WD 4TB SATA HDD sells for $290. I don't know if I should get the SSD just for a faster boot and faster program loads and gaming or just go for the capacity. Any thoughts on this? This is what I have now. So I can just use these for storage? external WD 1TB My Book. HDMI internal 2 160GB HDD's and 2 500GB HDD's, both SATA II. I have never used an SSD drive before. If anyone has one of them let me know how it performs for you. I appreciate it. Ironcity Edited July 30, 2013 by Ironcity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
LaRSin Posted July 30, 2013 Member ID: 45 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 68 Topic Count: 981 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 9029 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 3558 Achievement Points: 65938 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 02/25/1951 Device: Windows Share Posted July 30, 2013 First you won't be able to boot from any hard drive larger then 2TB, on most computers, SSD drives are fast and are great for the OS as boot drive, But it's not going to help gaming once the game is loaded, That samsung pro is the fastest ssd drive , I have a ssd drive and boot my os from it ,not my games , But minds only 120, BUDMAN and Ironcity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TecHnOBoY Posted July 30, 2013 Member ID: 755 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2191 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 961 Achievement Points: 14309 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18, 2019 Birthday: 01/14/1982 Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Listen to Larsin....You need an UEFI compatible system to boot from a HD with more than 2TB. SSD's are nice but you need to get rid of some caching functions and unneccessaryfilesystem actions to keep your SSD's health. I have seen many systems with bluescreensbecause the SSD sectors got destroyed by excessive write actions from Windows.Another alternative are hybrid drives like the Seagate Momentus. This drives are "normal"mechanical HDDs with an integrated flash cache. The data will be saved on the flash before it get'swritten to the HDD. They are a little bit slower than SSDs but they have a longer life@@LaRSinI bought a SSD (PCIe Card) for one of our customers today. 3,2 TB, 2,8GB/s read and write.It's one of the fastest SSD out there at the moment.But the price... $26.400 (19.900 €) For a short moment I was thinking about... Edited July 30, 2013 by TecHnOBoY Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
fireurza Posted July 31, 2013 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted July 31, 2013 i got a samsung 250 gb ssd and a 1tb sata hdd for about 200... should get both Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ironcity Posted July 31, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 @@TecHnOBoY The motherboard I have has UEFI bios. Is that what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TecHnOBoY Posted July 31, 2013 Member ID: 755 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2191 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 961 Achievement Points: 14309 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18, 2019 Birthday: 01/14/1982 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) @@Ironcity Exactly. And your OS must support it too. Win7 should, Win8 and Linux (Ubuntu f.e) do. But I see no need for a 2,5 TB boot partition. 80 GB is more than enough. Use the remaining Space of your HDD for your programs, files etc as drive D, E, whatever. You can easily change the standard installation path for programs from C to whatever you want. So you don't have to change the installation path for every new installation. [EDIT] Eighty GB us more than enough. I hate this emote icon -,- [/EDIT] Edited July 31, 2013 by TecHnOBoY ChknFngr and Ironcity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Xtreme Posted August 1, 2013 Member ID: 3095 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1277 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2013 Birthday: 02/14/1963 Share Posted August 1, 2013 No brainer! Get the SSD. Why do you even need 4TB unless you're doing video editing or something really heavy duty. The speed difference with an SSD is amazing! JohnnyQuest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Posted August 1, 2013 Member ID: 3095 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1277 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2013 Birthday: 02/14/1963 Share Posted August 1, 2013 SSD's are nice but you need to get rid of some caching functions and unneccessary filesystem actions to keep your SSD's health. Please elaborate, stuff like shell icon cache? JohnnyQuest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyQuest Posted August 1, 2013 Member ID: 1965 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1176 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 1082 Achievement Points: 8599 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 15, 2016 Birthday: 02/11/1969 Share Posted August 1, 2013 i never had to get rid of anything or any functions .....or file system actions...had my 240 gig osd vertex for four years now...the only thing you have to do is turn off auto defrag as defragging ssd's will ruin them.....defrag is not needed with ssd's Xtreme and ChknFngr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyQuest Posted August 1, 2013 Member ID: 1965 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1176 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 1082 Achievement Points: 8599 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 15, 2016 Birthday: 02/11/1969 Share Posted August 1, 2013 A Samsung Pro 256Gb SSD SATA III sells for $240. A WD 4TB SATA HDD sells for $290. I don't know if I should get the SSD just for a faster boot and faster program loads and gaming or just go for the capacity. Any thoughts on this? This is what I have now. So I can just use these for storage? external WD 1TB My Book. HDMI internal 2 160GB HDD's and 2 500GB HDD's, both SATA II. I have never used an SSD drive before. If anyone has one of them let me know how it performs for you. I appreciate it. Ironcity the difference between ssd's and hdd's is night and day...i had the western digital black 640gig...so i bought a hard drive docking station for 16 bucks...and installed my 240g ssd, i use the hdd for pics and music or movies...and i usb it ,when i need it....you can say when you get the ssd that it is faster than any hdd ever thought of being.... Xtreme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookido Posted August 1, 2013 Member ID: 5785 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 172 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 74 Achievement Points: 1098 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 19 Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted August 1, 2013 I for once, bought a crucial ssd 60 gb and 128 gb over two years ago to install wind7 for my rig. what can I say is I never want to go back to hdd drive, except to use it for storage. Since then, crucial has several firmware updates to make it run faster, and I never bother to do it. because it never gave me any problems in term of performance. One thing if you happen to pick a ssd drive to install os system, make sure you go into the mobo bios and set sata mode configuration from "IDE" to "AHCI" or advance host control interface, if not do this it won't boot up. Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ironcity Posted August 2, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 2, 2013 I would only used the SATA HDD for storage. And use the SSD for the OS and games. Some programs. But, like Technoboy said something about setting up a boot partition and separating the install path programs. I will do some research on that. I have 2 500GB and 1TB external pretty much full. So I need another storage drive. I don't want to get another external. I'd rather keep it on the inside. so I don't have to have it sitting around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Xtreme Posted August 2, 2013 Member ID: 3095 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1277 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2013 Birthday: 02/14/1963 Share Posted August 2, 2013 A Samsung Pro 256Gb SSD SATA III sells for $240. A WD 4TB SATA HDD sells for $290. I don't know if I should get the SSD just for a faster boot and faster program loads and gaming or just go for the capacity. Any thoughts on this? This is what I have now. So I can just use these for storage? external WD 1TB My Book. HDMI internal 2 160GB HDD's and 2 500GB HDD's, both SATA II. I have never used an SSD drive before. If anyone has one of them let me know how it performs for you. I appreciate it. Ironcity the difference between ssd's and hdd's is night and day...i had the western digital black 640gig...so i bought a hard drive docking station for 16 bucks...and installed my 240g ssd, i use the hdd for pics and music or movies...and i usb it ,when i need it....you can say when you get the ssd that it is faster than any hdd ever thought of being.... That is EXACTLY what I tell my customers to do. If their case will accommodate a HDD, I install it and remap "Library" (docs, etc) to go there. There is nothing like having bloatass Windows installed to an SSD! I've upgraded a few systems for people using their old computers, i.e. old Core2, as long as they have at least 2GB of RAM, Win7 hauls ass with an SSD. I also love the Windows 7 Family Pack! You can get 3 licenses for about $100 and then divvy them out to customers at $50 each.....and everyone is happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Posted August 2, 2013 Member ID: 3095 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1277 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2013 Birthday: 02/14/1963 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I for once, bought a crucial ssd 60 gb and 128 gb over two years ago to install wind7 for my rig. what can I say is I never want to go back to hdd drive, except to use it for storage. Since then, crucial has several firmware updates to make it run faster, and I never bother to do it. because it never gave me any problems in term of performance. One thing if you happen to pick a ssd drive to install os system, make sure you go into the mobo bios and set sata mode configuration from "IDE" to "AHCI" or advance host control interface, if not do this it won't boot up. Watch the older Crucial 60GB SSD! It's a great drive, but it has a serious bug with the original firmware that will cause it to BSOD: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/17/2713178/crucial-m4-ssd-firmware-update-fixes-recurring-bsod rookido 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Posted August 2, 2013 Member ID: 3095 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1277 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2013 Birthday: 02/14/1963 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I would only used the SATA HDD for storage. And use the SSD for the OS and games. Some programs. But, like Technoboy said something about setting up a boot partition and separating the install path programs. I will do some research on that. I have 2 500GB and 1TB external pretty much full. So I need another storage drive. I don't want to get another external. I'd rather keep it on the inside. so I don't have to have it sitting around. Just curious....how the hell do you fill up that much drive space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookido Posted August 3, 2013 Member ID: 5785 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 172 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 74 Achievement Points: 1098 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 19 Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted August 3, 2013 I guess un-compressed videos and photos suck up a lot of storage space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
ChknFngr Posted August 3, 2013 Member ID: 922 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 72 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3472 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 1286 Achievement Points: 23224 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/23/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 16, 2021 Birthday: 10/01/1975 Share Posted August 3, 2013 for my part i run on a pci-e ssd card for the OS, best investment ever, period. nowadays a simple ssd is faster than mine but hey it never failed and runs great. i have for the moment a lot of drives in the case, but im gona clean everything this next few weeks. my plant is to have everything more organized. i will have : - ssd for OS - a 500G caviar black for programs. - a 500G caviar black for cache (need for video editing and other photoshop and stuff that i need for work) - a few 1T or 2T for datas. - my Synology with 2x 3T with a WD RED drives for back up and storage (and linked to a personal cloud server for security) and video, music sharing with every pc, tv, phone in the house. will never go back to hdd for the OS, NEVER Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Renegade0260 Posted August 4, 2013 Member ID: 19461 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Achievement Points: 101 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I've just moved from an Intel X25 160gb SSD to a Samsung 840 Pro 256/260GB and also have a low power 2GB HDD (WD green) for mass storage (downloads/movies/music etc...). Boot and install all software (except X-plane as it's 60GB) on the SSD. Note: Mate sure you have AHCI mode (not Legacy or IDE mode) on you SATA controller, and also make sure it's not a dodgey Marvell SATA chip who's driver doesn't support TRIM in Windows 7/8. One thing to note about the Samsung SSD which is great, is that it comes with software to clone your existing boot drive (as long as there is enough space on the SSD of cause). It ran perfectly on my Windows 7 PC, but bare in mind you may have to re-activate Windows after cloning it to a new drive, I was fine as I have a retail copy of Windows 7, but OEM or cracked copies might have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironcity Posted August 4, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 @@rookido Good thing you let me know 'bout that. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ironcity Posted August 4, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 @@Xtreme From using Demonoid for over ten years. I download a lot of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ironcity Posted August 4, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 @@Renegade0260 This is the mobo I have. I looked and seems like most of the chipsets are Intel. ASRock Z87 Extreme6. I didn't see any Marvel. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ironcity Posted August 5, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 @@TecHnOBoY Hey Techno, I also found this link that explains changing the drive letters for program installs to another HDD so I don't kill the Silicone in the SSD. What do you think? http://www.overclock.net/t/664738/how-to-setup-ssd-boot-drive-with-secondary-hard-disc-optimization Thanks for the info brother... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TecHnOBoY Posted August 5, 2013 Member ID: 755 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2191 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 961 Achievement Points: 14309 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/17/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18, 2019 Birthday: 01/14/1982 Share Posted August 5, 2013 @@Ironcity I have Never done this before. This is a nice how to. This solves your AppData problem and many of the caching operations Windows or other programs do on your C drive. But it can lead into (maybe solvable) problems like this guy had with Outlook after he changed his profile path. Some programs may expect your profile on C: and ignore the registry changes. This may cause trouble during the setup or running a program. CoD 5 f.e stores your profile and the maps within the AppData folder. As far as I know this path is hardcoded as "C:\Users...blah" in the setup script. It is possible to change this later. They should have made it with relative or system paths like %WINDOWS% You may also change the location of your SWAP file to another drive. The AppData folder can become very big and you'll save space for programs you need the speed advantage of an SSD for. But you will lose a bit of this advantage for Windows operations (Faster boot but your profile files are located on the slower HDD for example) Over all it seems to be a compromise. Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Renegade0260 Posted August 5, 2013 Member ID: 19461 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Achievement Points: 101 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) Your motherboard chipset/SATA controller should be fine Never run a swap file on an SSD. Make sure you use control panel to manually set the page file settings. If you have 8GB RAM or more, I would recommend switching page file off entirely, unless you have a very memory hungry application which needs it. Edited August 5, 2013 by Renegade0260 Ironcity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironcity Posted August 5, 2013 Member ID: 3787 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 29 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 150 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 71 Achievement Points: 1383 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 7 Birthday: 12/11/1965 Device: iPhone Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 @@Renegade0260 I would have it off. And I will have 16Gb of RAM to start. DO you mean not to do on the link I posted above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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