HarryWeezer Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.14 Content Count: 7655 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 7232 Achievement Points: 53682 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 17 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Posted October 16, 2013 BigPapaDean, Pharticus and hxtr 3 Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.09 Reputation: 4985 Achievement Points: 50728 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11, 2024 Posted October 16, 2013 Does this mean you'll always do what the president tells you? hxtr 1 Awards
HarryWeezer Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.14 Content Count: 7655 Content Per Day: 1.78 Reputation: 7232 Achievement Points: 53682 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 17 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Author Posted October 16, 2013 Nope. The oath has two parts, first that you will "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic and bear true faith and allegiance to the same" and that, as a member of the armed forces, you will "obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice." I'm no longer a member of the armed forces so I am not obligated to obey orders from members of the military or the commander in chief. But I remain obligated as I see it to the first part of the oath. That's why veterans had no problem removing barricades erected at the WWII monument despite that they were placed there on orders of the administration - de facto, the commander in chief. hxtr, Blackbart, BigPapaDean and 1 other 4 Awards
Boomer Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 2083 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3554 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 4992 Achievement Points: 23761 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/31/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 14, 2014 Birthday: 10/20/1962 Posted October 16, 2013 Be Strong & of Good Courage! hxtr 1
hxtr Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Posted October 16, 2013 I took that to oath also.. so I guess it's time to head to Washington. HarryWeezer 1
DEEJAYKEG Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.09 Reputation: 4985 Achievement Points: 50728 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11, 2024 Posted October 16, 2013 I took an oath of office also but when that office terminated so did my oath to behave in certain ways. My wife, soon after my retirement, made a comment about a decision I had made that was honest and compatible with the former office. I replied that, just because I was no longer enforcing the law, I did not cease to have an obligation to uphold or comply with it. I don't believe that oaths define people, rather that people prepared to take oaths and adhere to them have personal qualities that do not cease when their years of service end. A military oath by its very nature has absolutely no relevance to civilian life. Those who have, in the past, faithfully adhered to it have, however, certain character and qualities... hxtr, BigPapaDean and HarryWeezer 3 Awards
hxtr Posted October 16, 2013 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Posted October 16, 2013 I took an oath of office also but when that office terminated so did my oath to behave in certain ways. My wife, soon after my retirement, made a comment about a decision I had made that was honest and compatible with the former office. I replied that, just because I was no longer enforcing the law, I did not cease to have an obligation to uphold or comply with it. I don't believe that oaths define people, rather that people prepared to take oaths and adhere to them have personal qualities that do not cease when their years of service end. A military oath by its very nature has absolutely no relevance to civilian life. Those who have, in the past, faithfully adhered to it have, however, certain character and qualities... I think the point is we have powerful individuals who are on a active oath unlike ours that are betraying that oath 17,000,000,000,000 fold. They are working hard to make that oath become nothing. They are doing a great job making that happen.
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