little_old_man Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted October 28, 2014 These water ionizers and purification systems started out 20 years ago as a multi-tiered sales scam. Most of us have known somebody or been approached by an acquaintence promising great wealth and financial independence by "networking" with hundreds of people selling products such as Amway or Kirby vacuum cleaners. You don't actually have to sell the products but simply sign up other people to sell their products, and then you make a cut of everything they sell. They always end up being a big pyramid scheme and nobody ever makes what was promised, or they end up losing a ton of money. I have been been an avid salt water aquarium hobbiest for a long time, and if you want to talk about people who are obsessed about water quality, try chatting with people in this hobby. Ionized, de-ionized, reverse osmosis, they do it all. Everybody claims that their water systems are the best and charge an arm and a leg for their products. My aquarium has above average growth of fish and corals, and I use good old tap water that's completely unfiltered and I only dechlorinate it. I've tried many of the filtration sytems and I always wind up going back to tap water. It has just the right balance of minerals and nutrients my critters need to thrive, and if it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for me and my family to drink and cook with. Here is a good article on the ionized water systems and why they should be avoided. http://www.alkalinewaterionizers.org/consumer-reports-why-are-kangen-water-ionizers-so-expensive/ eidolonFIRE, mouselad, The Flush and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 20166 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 7652 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 7228 Achievement Points: 53663 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 16 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted October 28, 2014 I always purify and deionize my water. I use five parts Jack Daniels to one part water. little_old_man, eidolonFIRE, BigPapaDean and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cooperm4n Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 21407 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 558 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 181 Achievement Points: 3029 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 01/17/1973 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The only way to mix water and oil is to take all gas out of the water and they will supposedly mix spontaneously for an indefinite period of time to to remove gas from water means the water is no longer water as water is H2O hydrogen and oxygen take oxygen out of water and you have hydrogen so you are not mixing water with oil are you and I have done a little research on this before I posted it. If water and oil do mix all you are making is an emulsion that will separate again. So as far as I am concerned OIL and WATER can't be mixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 THE FACT IS... Julie is not sick anymore. Period. Experiment successful. End of Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneill Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 20884 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 274 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 288 Achievement Points: 1812 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 6, 2017 Birthday: 06/10/1989 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) THE FACT IS... Julie is not sick anymore. Period. Experiment successful. End of Line Yes because our body cant fight sickness on its own right? Plus you said it yourself that she already had a prescription of antibiotics waiting for her at the pharmacy, you seriously think she wouldn't pick that up just because you gave her some sort of science defying miracle water? Plus some doctors give you an antibiotic to get you started on your prescription, which means she might have already been on antibiotics before you gave her your water. Edited October 28, 2014 by Oneill The Flush and mouselad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Would you like to talk to Julie? You can ask her them same questions. Let her lie to you like you are telling me I am. She has not picked up her scrip. It is at Walmart off 3009 in schertz texas. Call up there and ask if a scrip is ready for a Julie Retamaluta. The will tell you it is ready for pick up. 2 scrips... Go ahead.... I dare you to check. I doubt dog dare you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouselad Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 20902 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 11 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1279 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 819 Achievement Points: 9614 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/16/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 15, 2016 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I won't drink the tap water down here, but at my house its well water and comes out of the faucet greyish so im not drinking that. and then the cities down here are always having boiling water warnings, because there source gets contaminated. so i stick to my 5 gallon water cooler reverse osmosis style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireurza Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted October 28, 2014 Again if you read one of the articles I linked. There is a thing called the placebo effect. It can cure illnesses by fooling your body into thinking you are getting an antibiotic making it work harder. Don't believe me look it up. Oh, and 1 person does not make it an experiment. There was no control group and there was not a large enough sampling. The Flush, ChknFngr and Hemps 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted October 28, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 you have to be shitting me...... like takling to a bunch of fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireurza Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted October 29, 2014 i guess you are in a room with a bunch of mirrors if thats what its like hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm just happy....... I have seen enough proof and you refuse to even see or consider seeing. So how can you argue with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 My roommate Julie came home early from work today. She works for a doctors office and she was not feeling good and the looked her over... gave her a scrip for antibiotics and sent her home. Infection was setting in. Sinuses and respiratory. She tends to be sickly at times. She asked me if I would pick up her scrip and I said do you want to try the water? She said sure... so I called my friends and asked if we can get some water 2.5 pH ionizes water. So I go get it.. come home and I douched her sinuses real good. Told her to do it every hour. I left to go see my father in the hospital for 4 hours and I come home and she is felling better. She will go show the doctor in the AM. She will be cured by the morning. I have seen it in live action. It does work and the more info I learned today about the filtering... Kangen is the only way to go. Imitators are imitators only. Change your water.. change your life. Funny, I was cured of all that ailed me by drinking Scotch. Had to be of the Highland variety though and not Speyside. Drink Scotch instead of water...change your life. Seriously, some people refuse to listen to logic or facts...they will believe what they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well the biggest skeptic I have ever met.... my dad just ordered their Kangen that cost a whopping 4 thousand dollars. He wanted nothing to do with it at first. Now he understands. OH BTW I did an experiment on myself the past two days. Do you know how if you drink too much you get a hangover the next day. All I did was wake up still buzzed. If this is a plazebo.... give me more. Some people refuse to listen to logic and facts.... they wont believe the truth even if if it pissed on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyDos Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 77 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 111 Topic Count: 1018 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7527 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 9175 Achievement Points: 69486 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 47 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 8, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2014 They use Ozone in my city to treat drinking water. http://www.esemag.com/archive/0302/ozone.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Here are some facts for you...out of every $4000 that someone pays for these piece of shit scam products, the salesperson makes $2280. Yup, they make over 50% commission for tricking people into thinking that this will make them "healthier". Oh, by the way, here is their "sales and compensation" video. This is no better than Amway or Tupperware. hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yes I know the machine does to cost 4g..... Dad has the same agrument. He is still spending 4g on his. I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Because now he can sell it and make $2200 off of the next one he sells to his friends and family. Dude, it's called a pyramid scheme...sorry your dad got sucked into this, that's too bad he wasted $4k on something that he could have bought for WAY less. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004ZEYKNA?psc=1 That is of course unless you believe the hype that their machine has something to offer that this doesn't. Same 5 year warranty, same "healthy" and life changing effects...hmmmm. Ultimately what it comes down to is...if you believe this water is life changing, great! I wouldn't waste $4k if I were you, I'd spend $900 on the machine I linked above and save your $3k for something else worthwhile. I, personally, don't believe that ionized water will help me live longer, cure cancer or anything else. Simply put, there is ZERO SCIENCE OR MEDICAL FACT TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS. eidolonFIRE and little_old_man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 you have to be shitting me...... like takling to a bunch of fucking idiots. You ever think you go about things the wrong way Hxtr? There is a reason that you aren't a member any longer...maybe tone it back a bit. People CAN disagree with you and shouldn't be called names just because of that. If anyone is a "fucking idiot", I would lay that title on the person that spends FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS on a fucking water filtration system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 check you feelings at the door.... now it is a sin to call you a fucking idiot? Don't like it.. don't read my posts. Simple as that. As I was going to go say before rudely being attacked.... What makes the water 2.5 acidity is the salt brine mixture. No other company does it. Kangen is the "only one" hospital grade and for a good reason. I can get a prescription for my water and take it on a plane. Yes you can take this medical grade water on a plane with you. But I sure I'm yet wrong again.... or some fucking idiot will tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 LOL, keep drinking the "kool-aid" or in your case, Kangen Water. You don't have to believe it's a pyramid scheme, you can believe that it's soooo different than anything else out there and for $4k, it sure as fuck better be. I, on the other hand, will keep believing that it's a gimmick or scam and keep drinking my normally filtered water and use the $4k to go on a trip to the Dominican Republic. You didn't hurt my feelings at all as I'm fully aware of the BS you spew regularly. I was simply trying to tell you that if you approached things differently and weren't always such a dick to everyone, you might actually get someone agreeing wtih you. Remember the phrase "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"...that would definitely apply in this case. Of course, you may try to catch flies with your Kangen water because it can do everything. Onyx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 I never said I did not believe your pyramid scheme comment. I just chose not to acknowledge every idiot who posts attacking points why it is "not possible" by some who won't ever get it until everyone else does. I would be here all fucking day like I used to. It clearly is a pyramid scheme... with one huge difference. It only goes 8 levels down. After 8 you are not grandfathered in no longer. It is called a thank you check for $250 per machine sold to each person down the 8 below or above you. So this pyramid prematurely ejaculates and is clearly not a scheme if you know the truth or and know the definition of scheme. So.... if it don't work or is replaced and not needed is the only way it will fail. Maybe that is why it is so protected. I can't sell you water. I would lose my license when I get one. That is how well they know this thing works. So to answer that question.... No it is not.. it just resembles one. We are sales consultants. You have to know much more that... "IT WORKS" to sell one of these things. Does not sound like you are qualified to sell one but thank you for playing. lol jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 And Flush.... since we are on the topic you started. I toyed with the idea to return to XI I think 8 months ago if not longer. Talked to like 5 or 6 Admins asking their advice..... even Rugger. Then I decided against it. I get into less drama not having tags and It would have sired up lots of drama for sure. If you want to bann me you can that is fine go for it.. but I am 100% zero not intimidated by your attacks or anyone eases. Hxtr is not coming back to XI. BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flush Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 1106 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 33 Topic Count: 125 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 832 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 538 Achievement Points: 6778 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2015 Birthday: 06/24/1975 Share Posted October 29, 2014 LOL, I don't ban for someone disagreeing with me or anyone else...simply giving you advice. It's easier to get people to agree with you or at least see your point if you aren't rude to them. Keep posting all you want, I'm fine with that...just a little friendly advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 I was not rude..... sarcastic and blunt maybe. Just because that can be seen a rude does not mean it is. Look back in this thread the deniers all say it's a lie but they don't know why but hundreds of reasons why not. I have see it in action I 100% know it is not a lie. But I have no problem anyone want to tell me it is... I just wont agree with them bluntly with a touch of sarcasm. hahahaa BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneill Posted October 29, 2014 Member ID: 20884 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 274 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 288 Achievement Points: 1812 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/12/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 6, 2017 Birthday: 06/10/1989 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I was not rude..... sarcastic and blunt maybe. Just because that can be seen a rude does not mean it is. Look back in this thread the deniers all say it's a lie but they don't know why but hundreds of reasons why not. I have see it in action I 100% know it is not a lie. But I have no problem anyone want to tell me it is... I just wont agree with them bluntly with a touch of sarcasm. hahahaa There are hundreds of reasons "why not" because its been dis-proven by scientific facts, while all the reasons of "why" are supported by marketers that gain from selling them. All you have to do to convince us that we may be wrong is find a proper independent study (it doesn't even have to be double blind) that supports your side of the argument. That is how you can properly argue your case, otherwise you just sound like a nutjob. We have been trying to help you see reason instead of what you currently see which is a combination of not wanting to be wrong and the placebo effect. Or at least that's the conclusion we came up with because you refuse to give us any real evidence and instead just get defensive. Edited October 30, 2014 by Oneill The Flush and MrBubbles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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