DEEJAYKEG Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.10 Reputation: 4985 Achievement Points: 50728 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11, 2024 Posted September 21, 2011 I am quite shocked by the revelation of the USA's "War Plan Red", devised in the 1930s for the purpose of waging war on "The Red Empire". Who was the "Red Empire"? The Chinese? The Russians? No - the United Kingdom and all its territories and dominions! The principal theatre was to have been Canada with chemical weapon attacks included. Very relieved that history followed a different path but I shall not view Douglas MacArthur, who signed this off, in the same way ever again... Apparently, the document was declassified in 1974 causing a major stir in US-Canadian relations but I do not recall seeing or hearing about this at that time on this side of the Atlantic. Perhaps it was too hot a potato and the press were persuaded not to carry it? Here's the Daily Mail's article from Tuesday and the Wikipedia article on the topic... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red Had you read about this in the USA and Canada? Awards
USAPLISKEN Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 1634 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 26 Topic Count: 210 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1634 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 370 Achievement Points: 12427 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 28, 2016 Birthday: 04/19/1949 Posted September 21, 2011 NO I cant say I have ever heard of this news to me But MacArthu was How the term war hawk got it's start. IMHO He believed sence we were at it we should dominate the world I read something to that effect years ago I just thought it was Russia and China. Then He got fired Thanks I will read your links
PimpedOutPete Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 130 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 15027 Content Per Day: 2.62 Reputation: 8043 Achievement Points: 92206 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 59 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Posted September 21, 2011 It seems like an odd situation but politics are never logical at times. The whole thing was just a theoretical exercise in military planning. The brass would have made better use of their resources planning for a war with Germany, but that wasn't politically expedient. They reasoned that planning for unlikely wars was better than no planning at all. War Plan Red was never intended to be put into action except in the event of a war with the United Kingdom, an eventuality that everyone would agree was highly unlikely after about 1900. War Plan Red was one of many "color plans" developed in a fairly systematic way in the 1920s and '30s. Except for "Orange" (war with Japan), the plans were primarily academic exercises, lacking detail and offering only broad outlines of strategy. The plans were an outgrowth of military reorganizations that had led to the creation of the U.S. Army War College (1903) and the U.S. Army War Plans Division (1921). Planning capability having been established, the military figured its planners had better get in some practice. The result was a dramatic increase in formal planning for various military contingencies, most of them unlikely. Lets face it, America was built on war & conflict, abroad and at home. Does this come as a suprise to anyone?. Better to be prepared than not... Awards
Blackbart Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 51 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 342 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5974 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 3766 Achievement Points: 45818 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 06/26/1949 Posted September 21, 2011 I think all Government have various contingency plane to cover any number of situations...What I think bothers me the most in this article is it said plans were made for pre-emptive strikes by the U.S. ...It's one thing to make plans in case of attack and an entirely different matter to make plans to be the aggressor and strike the first blow...Thank God good sense ruled and we became close allies... Awards
chris4874 Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 2491 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 354 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: Never Birthday: 04/20/1961 Posted September 21, 2011 i saw the program on tv last night very informative,i always thought the americans had to go through congress to declare war?,but the main thing that bothered me was the way they were going to use gas etc it was never even used against the japanese,and god knows the us marines/army could have done with it on some of the islands, how many troops would it have taken to run occupied canada?,and you have to wonder what would have the rest of the world have done?
PimpedOutPete Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 130 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 15027 Content Per Day: 2.62 Reputation: 8043 Achievement Points: 92206 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 59 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Posted September 21, 2011 It never was intended to go past the planning stage, logistically it would have been difficult to occupy such a large area. Awards
baldie Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 607 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 76 Topic Count: 246 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3367 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 2718 Achievement Points: 34252 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/21/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Sunday at 08:04 PM Birthday: 09/16/1966 Device: Windows Posted September 21, 2011 Hell thats IT we Brits should kick your American butts and teach you a lesson once and for all How about a trans atlantic Cod 4 scrim Hardcore style Awards
hxtr Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 2.96 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Posted September 21, 2011 baldie Hell thats IT we Brits should kick your American butts and teach you a lesson once and for all How about a trans atlantic Cod 4 scrim Hardcore style sure if you can handle losing. I will be happy to win. lol
baldie Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 607 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 76 Topic Count: 246 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3367 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 2718 Achievement Points: 34252 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/21/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Sunday at 08:04 PM Birthday: 09/16/1966 Device: Windows Posted September 21, 2011 hxtr baldie Hell thats IT we Brits should kick your American butts and teach you a lesson once and for all How about a trans atlantic Cod 4 scrim Hardcore style sure if you can handle losing. I will be happy to win. lol Bring it on us bad boys will kick your ass Awards
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