PrimalFear Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 159 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 6 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 855 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 93 Achievement Points: 5145 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 9, 2012 Birthday: 09/21/1971 Posted September 27, 2011 Ok I did my homework for price and performance for the best gamer card in my price range and I have just a few questions I'm trying to get answered. I selected the GTX 560 as the best card in the $250 range for it's overclockability and performance, what I am having trouble getting is in the "Ti" version of the card. From what I get out of it, the GTX 560 Ti uses the GF114 core, I know this is superior to the GF104 (from the GTX 460) core by being reworked for lower power and higher clock speeds. I keep seeing the non-Ti version compared to the 460 but the speeds between the 560 non-Ti and 560 Ti stock are only 12 mhz difference. Now because all the performance doesn't come into play until you overclock it (essentially turning it into a GTX 570 stock competitor), I'm trying to figure out if the 560 non-Ti is just a GF104 core that has been overclocked or if it is in fact using the GF114 core with slightly fewer shader cores. I keep going through all these different reviews and I get benchmarks and stuff but I can't find anything on the true difference between the two versions. I ran into this EXACT same thing when I bought my aging 8800 where some had the G88 (I think it was) and some had the G92 which I got (thankfully) now here I am again. HELP PLEASE! A link would be great but I'll take what I can get. Thanks in advance
PrimalFear Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 159 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 6 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 855 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 93 Achievement Points: 5145 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 9, 2012 Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Posted September 27, 2011 n/m I just found the answer indirectly over at overclock.net I'll post it just in case it's useful to somebody else Quote: The best piece of information anyone can give you about this topic is that buying a 560 non Ti at full price is literally like throwing away $50 compared to buying a 460.Edit - The 560 non Ti is a lower performance version of it's Ti counterpart. There's been many threads about the 560 non ti on here. Price to performance ratio wise you get more for your money if you buy a 460 or 560 Ti than you would with a 560 non ti at full price.Edit 2 - Then there's also the aspect that the high-end 560 Ti's offer close to 570 performance for significantly cheaper, but, as always, if you want 570 performance get a 570.Edit 3 - If you absolutely want to get as much performance as you can with your budget, look for open box 560 Ti's.
BattlewolF Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 2028 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 12 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1740 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 545 Achievement Points: 10637 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 11, 2024 Birthday: 03/10/1963 Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 My son has a 560ti also smurf and they told me that it is a very good card i self hve a ati HD6870 Awards
CplMOFO Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 1924 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1012 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 101 Achievement Points: 5864 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 1 Birthday: 05/30/1973 Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 You pretty much figured it our Primal! The regular 560 is just an overclocked 460....the 560Ti has MORE cores, textures units and polymorphs whatevers... Anyways, in benchmarks, there difference shows... Chart from HARDWARECANUCKS.COM On top of that, don't forget that a lot of 560Ti are running factory overclocked....mines are the MSI TwinFrozr II OC ones...they run at 880Mhz instead of 822MHz...it shows also... Also, OFTEN, the price of the 560 Ti cards (with rebates or promotions, sales) is lower or equal to 560 prices....another thing to consider.... Newegg.com got 3 MSI 560ti models available... -The 560Ti OC 1GB (like mines) $224 after MIR -The 560Ti OC WITH 2GB of MEMORY $269 -The 560TI HAWK 1GB (higher overclock and even better cooler, but a little noisier... $239 after rebates... Of other brands, ASUS (directcuII cooler is nice), of EVGA DS (the dual fan ones) are good contenders in the nVIDIA realm... Awards
CplMOFO Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 1924 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1012 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 101 Achievement Points: 5864 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 1 Birthday: 05/30/1973 Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 PrimalFear n/m I just found the answer indirectly over at overclock.net I'll post it just in case it's useful to somebody else Quote: The best piece of information anyone can give you about this topic is that buying a 560 non Ti at full price is literally like throwing away $50 compared to buying a 460. Edit - The 560 non Ti is a lower performance version of it's Ti counterpart. There's been many threads about the 560 non ti on here. Price to performance ratio wise you get more for your money if you buy a 460 or 560 Ti than you would with a 560 non ti at full price. Edit 2 - Then there's also the aspect that the high-end 560 Ti's offer close to 570 performance for significantly cheaper, but, as always, if you want 570 performance get a 570. Edit 3 - If you absolutely want to get as much performance as you can with your budget, look for open box 560 Ti's. Reference EDIT 3, EVGA online sells what they call B-Stock cards, 90 days warranty, and they have decent price also....another option! Awards
Belle Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 503 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 181 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2461 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1213 Achievement Points: 15555 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/24/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Tuesday at 02:22 PM Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 All I know is I'm very happy with my 560 Ti Awards
Boomer Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 2083 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3554 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 4992 Achievement Points: 23761 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/31/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 14, 2014 Birthday: 10/20/1962 Posted September 27, 2011 CplMOFO PrimalFear n/m I just found the answer indirectly over at overclock.net I'll post it just in case it's useful to somebody else Quote: The best piece of information anyone can give you about this topic is that buying a 560 non Ti at full price is literally like throwing away $50 compared to buying a 460. Edit - The 560 non Ti is a lower performance version of it's Ti counterpart. There's been many threads about the 560 non ti on here. Price to performance ratio wise you get more for your money if you buy a 460 or 560 Ti than you would with a 560 non ti at full price. Edit 2 - Then there's also the aspect that the high-end 560 Ti's offer close to 570 performance for significantly cheaper, but, as always, if you want 570 performance get a 570. Edit 3 - If you absolutely want to get as much performance as you can with your budget, look for open box 560 Ti's. Reference EDIT 3, EVGA online sells what they call B-Stock cards, 90 days warranty, and they have decent price also....another option! Evga online also offers all of their cards with different warranty's pay attn. to the last 2 letters of the product number ie: AR, TR KR are all lifetime warranty items..... I got the 460SE superclocked with rear exhaust PN 01G-P3-1373-AR.... I love it and it has NEVER given me a problem, runs everything I have real fine! edit: if you buy EVGA use my affiliate number when you register your product will ya! SMC14759QU Thanks!
PrimalFear Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 159 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 6 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 855 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 93 Achievement Points: 5145 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 9, 2012 Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Posted September 27, 2011 CplMOFO You pretty much figured it our Primal! The regular 560 is just an overclocked 460....the 560Ti has MORE cores, textures units and polymorphs whatevers... Anyways, in benchmarks, there difference shows... Chart from HARDWARECANUCKS.COM On top of that, don't forget that a lot of 560Ti are running factory overclocked....mines are the MSI TwinFrozr II OC ones...they run at 880Mhz instead of 822MHz...it shows also... Also, OFTEN, the price of the 560 Ti cards (with rebates or promotions, sales) is lower or equal to 560 prices....another thing to consider.... Newegg.com got 3 MSI 560ti models available... -The 560Ti OC 1GB (like mines) $224 after MIR -The 560Ti OC WITH 2GB of MEMORY $269 -The 560TI HAWK 1GB (higher overclock and even better cooler, but a little noisier... $239 after rebates... Of other brands, ASUS (directcuII cooler is nice), of EVGA DS (the dual fan ones) are good contenders in the nVIDIA realm... Well I haven't figured out everything yet, I need to narrow down the brand and model. I've been going through newegg customer reviews on several brands and I keep seeing all these complaints about heat and artifacts and blackscreens etc and I know there is such a thing as a bad lot (it happens) and some percentage of the chips on the waffer will malfunction. But that doesn't mean these people got a bad card. I'm leaning toward MSI either the OC'2 or the Hawk but not sure yet. Other problems I was seeing is apparently the card is very very heavy and will unseat itself from sagging, and unplugging it and putting it back corrects alot of people's trouble. MSI lifetime warranty gives me some confidence but I'm still not sure. The MSI card reviews have said that when people have trouble they use the afterburner software and scale back the oc abit and corrects the problems for awhile and then they come back after a few months, that tells me heat/clean it maybe? Who knows, has anyone here had any issues with bad brands or models? Your MSI cards are solid I assume? I'm running an MSI 8800 OC'd right now and never so much of a hicup from it. I'll be running only one card btw. You think MSI is a safe way to go or would you recommend the EVGA or PNY or Asus (I know from experience Asus usually oc's really well) The MSI Hawk is factory OC'd at 950mhz (very nice) but that's only if its solid of course, you think I'm on the right track leaning toward MSI? Your 880mhz card doesn't seem to be in stock at newegg anymore so I'm stuck there atm I just don't know which one to go with right now, thoughts/suggestions/personal experience comments would be greatly appreciated. I want to save a few bucks if I can, but I don't want to save 30-40 bucks for something inferior either. Thanx all for the help I've already gotten btw I appreciate it EDIT Your card is in stock again, says in stock now, last night I was looking at it and it was out of stock after I viewed this on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-N560GTX-TI-Twin-Frozr-II-OC-GeForce-GTX-560-Ti-Fermi-1GB-256-bit-GDDR5-/150667191097?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item231476e339&autorefresh=true Decisions decisions
CplMOFO Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 1924 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1012 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 101 Achievement Points: 5864 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 1 Birthday: 05/30/1973 Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 Primal, MSI's warranty is 3 years, based on serial number. It's not lifetime. EVGA offers lifetime on the AR-suffix cards...like Boomer mentioned. Take Newegg's reviews with a grain of salt...there is a lot of noobs that blame hardware for issues that don't belong to the product. That being said, statistically, it helps a little to look at customer reviews, but read reviews from reputable sites: Hardwarecanucks HardOcp Overclock3D Techpowerup Techspot Hardwareheaven... artifacting is either a sign of an unstable overclock, or heat. On top of that, shyte happens... Warranty is the key! Cooling and a good power supply are also keys to happy graphics cards... Awards
BoomSlang Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 94 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 565 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 375 Achievement Points: 3843 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Saturday at 10:49 PM Birthday: 12/03/1955 Device: Windows Posted September 27, 2011 Your answer lies here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti-gf114,2845.html Awards
PrimalFear Posted September 27, 2011 Member ID: 159 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 6 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 855 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 93 Achievement Points: 5145 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 9, 2012 Birthday: 09/21/1971 Author Posted September 27, 2011 wow I'm getting some great help here, I must have read something wrong about the MSI warranty, I gotta go get my son from school and I'll be back to read up on the link Boom posted and those sites as well Mofo here in abit. Thanx big time Mofo and Boomslang I needed this info and I appreciate it seriously
Sneaky Posted September 29, 2011 Member ID: 2122 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 175 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/11/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: Never Birthday: 12/16/1970 Posted September 29, 2011 Hi this site helped me when I built my pc, it gives a Rating, and Price along with bench marking comparison to all the cards and chips and HD's performance... http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/ http://www.cpubenchmark.net/
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