GorillaXI Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 62 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 73 Topic Count: 480 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 4124 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 1413 Achievement Points: 27905 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 10 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 4, 2015 Birthday: 06/16/1972 Share Posted November 17, 2011 WASHINGTON – A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday. The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it. The Democratic-controlled Senate has no parallel bill. But two years ago, GOP Sens. John Thune of South Dakota and David Vitter of Louisiana nearly succeeded in attaching a similar measure to a larger bill. Under the House legislation, people with a concealed carry permit in one state could carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons. While states have various standards for issuing such permits, currently only Illinois and the District of Columbia prohibit the concealed carrying of weapons. "The Second Amendment is a fundamental right to bear arms that should not be constrained by state boundary lines," said GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The bill's chief co-sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., said states should consider concealed carry permits no differently from driver's licenses recognized by all states. He noted that many states already have reciprocity agreements with other states. The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said. Democratic opponents said the bill would constitute a "race to the bottom," with states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards. "It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. He noted that some states require training for permit holders, or deny permits to those under 21 or who sell drugs to minors, commit sex offenses or are involved in domestic violence. According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the measure would allow states with tough requirements, such as New York and California, "to allow in concealed carry gun-toting people from states, such as Florida, which repeatedly have given dangerous people licenses to carry." Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote. The administration has not yet taken an official position on the bill. Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. There hasn't been much legislative action on firearms issues this year. A spending bill that the House is expected to vote on this week would bar the Justice Department from consolidating firearms sales records or maintaining information on people who have passed firearms background checks. The chief sponsors of the concealed weapon measure, Stearns and Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C., said their proposal would not create a federal licensing system but merely require states to honor one another's carry permits. People who are unable to get a permit in their home state would not be able to carry a concealed weapon in their home state by getting a permit in another state. A state's ban on carrying concealed weapons in places such as bars, sporting events or state parks would apply to nonresidents as well as residents. Thirty-five states have "shall issue" permit laws that usually require states to issue permits to those who meet legal requirements. Ten others have "may issue" or discretionary permit laws. Vermont, Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming do not require a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiZiD Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted November 17, 2011 That was only pasted by the house and still has yet to pass into federal law. Geeze I personally hope it passes. In NH they just passed a revision for the use of deadly force. Which is SWEET! http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/lxii/627/627-mrg.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Blackbart Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 51 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 342 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5974 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 3766 Achievement Points: 45818 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 06/26/1949 Share Posted November 17, 2011 GorillaXI - House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill WASHINGTON – A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday. The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it. The Democratic-controlled Senate has no parallel bill. But two years ago, GOP Sens. John Thune of South Dakota and David Vitter of Louisiana nearly succeeded in attaching a similar measure to a larger bill. Under the House legislation, people with a concealed carry permit in one state could carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons. While states have various standards for issuing such permits, currently only Illinois and the District of Columbia prohibit the concealed carrying of weapons. "The Second Amendment is a fundamental right to bear arms that should not be constrained by state boundary lines," said GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The bill's chief co-sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., said states should consider concealed carry permits no differently from driver's licenses recognized by all states. He noted that many states already have reciprocity agreements with other states. The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said. Democratic opponents said the bill would constitute a "race to the bottom," with states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards. "It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. He noted that some states require training for permit holders, or deny permits to those under 21 or who sell drugs to minors, commit sex offenses or are involved in domestic violence. According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the measure would allow states with tough requirements, such as New York and California, "to allow in concealed carry gun-toting people from states, such as Florida, which repeatedly have given dangerous people licenses to carry." Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., and Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wrote President Barack Obama last week urging him to issue a veto threat against the bill. Passing the bill "would jeopardize public safety and would be an insult to states like New Jersey and New York that purposefully have strong gun ownership laws," they wrote. The administration has not yet taken an official position on the bill. Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. There hasn't been much legislative action on firearms issues this year. A spending bill that the House is expected to vote on this week would bar the Justice Department from consolidating firearms sales records or maintaining information on people who have passed firearms background checks. The chief sponsors of the concealed weapon measure, Stearns and Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C., said their proposal would not create a federal licensing system but merely require states to honor one another's carry permits. People who are unable to get a permit in their home state would not be able to carry a concealed weapon in their home state by getting a permit in another state. A state's ban on carrying concealed weapons in places such as bars, sporting events or state parks would apply to nonresidents as well as residents. Thirty-five states have "shall issue" permit laws that usually require states to issue permits to those who meet legal requirements. Ten others have "may issue" or discretionary permit laws. Vermont, Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming do not require a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The Dems either don't get it or are purposely trying to cloud the issue...The states cannot limit or legislate away a constitutional right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PnBear Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 467 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 59 Topic Count: 151 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1721 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 279 Achievement Points: 10631 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7 Birthday: 09/11/1968 Device: Macintosh Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sweet and to top it off......a bear with a gun in all states not just mine......Woot.!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PnBear Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 467 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 59 Topic Count: 151 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1721 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 279 Achievement Points: 10631 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7 Birthday: 09/11/1968 Device: Macintosh Share Posted November 17, 2011 thats why i like Summer time...You have the right to bear arms....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TBB Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 271 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18301 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 20354 Achievement Points: 134070 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 273 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 10 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2011 PnBear needs help - he shouldn't be allowed to bear arms - or any other body parts for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Mazdarati Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 173 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 42 Topic Count: 94 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1392 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 769 Achievement Points: 9957 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:43 AM Birthday: 02/08/1962 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thats excellent news , myself having a CPL dosn't like the fact that it's such a pain in the ass if i wanna go out of the state i live in ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bama Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 19 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 101 Topic Count: 318 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4444 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 2763 Achievement Points: 29399 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 11 Birthday: 02/29/1968 Device: iPhone Share Posted November 17, 2011 Blackbart GorillaXI - House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. The Dems either don't get it or are purposely trying to cloud the issue...The states cannot limit or legislate away a constitutional right... Well, supposedly the federal Government cannot do that either, but they are. Why should I have to have a concealed carry permit when "The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Mazdarati Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 173 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 42 Topic Count: 94 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1392 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 769 Achievement Points: 9957 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:43 AM Birthday: 02/08/1962 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2011 Very Valid point Bama !!! I agree with you but i have a CPL so i don't end up in jail carrying it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bushape Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 839 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1334 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 64 Achievement Points: 7776 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 12, 2020 Birthday: 07/17/1958 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thanks Gorilla, Blalckbart is right it still has to pass the rest of the congress and I doubt like hell if Obama would sign it. I am all for it, I have my CWL and use is proudly. Here in Washington State anybody can still openly carry, it is strange going in a store and sometimes somebody has a gun on their side. But I hide mine a .357 magnum Ruger LCR snub nose with Hornady personal defense bullets. I don't like 9mm's or .380's, just not strong enough, hell the bullets will bounce off of wood. I guess people aren't made of wood but in the winter with heavy closthing who knows what it will do, maybe just piss somebody off even more. I shot a raccoon 5 times with the .357 and not one went through, so the body has to absorb the full force, probably just turn the insides to jello. Definately a kill shot. No walking away from that one. Go get 'em Maz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bama Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 19 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 101 Topic Count: 318 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4444 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 2763 Achievement Points: 29399 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 11 Birthday: 02/29/1968 Device: iPhone Share Posted November 17, 2011 Mazdarati Very Valid point Bama !!! I agree with you but i have a CPL so i don't end up in jail carrying it ... Yep, I get that. If they go 'national' with it, I will participate as well. It's not a principle that I am willing to go to jail over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Blackbart Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 51 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 342 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5974 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 3766 Achievement Points: 45818 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 06/26/1949 Share Posted November 17, 2011 PT-Bama Blackbart GorillaXI - House Approves Concealed Firearm Permit Bill Democrats also chided Republicans for ignoring their dedication to states' rights. "For the Republican House majority that supposedly believes in states' rights, this bill is shocking," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. The Dems either don't get it or are purposely trying to cloud the issue...The states cannot limit or legislate away a constitutional right... Well, supposedly the federal Government cannot do that either, but they are. Why should I have to have a concealed carry permit when "The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" You are right Buddy...Hopefully the Supreme Court will get it right and then this will all become a moot point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Mazdarati Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 173 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 42 Topic Count: 94 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1392 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 769 Achievement Points: 9957 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Monday at 08:43 AM Birthday: 02/08/1962 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2011 I have a Walther .380 PPK/S and also a Rossi .357 with a 2" barrel ... I usually carry the .380 as it is easier to concel and more comfortable .... I see people carrying there weapons openly but i choose not too ,, I would rather no one knows i am carrying ... Thats just me ... I think it's a woman thing hehe ..... forgot to mention that i have a crimson lazer sight on the .380 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TheLastColdBeer Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 489 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 548 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 4675 Content Per Day: 0.87 Reputation: 5865 Achievement Points: 41127 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/09/1963 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yay, verily, as oft have I said....quote.....THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Hmmmm, does that require a lawyer to translate? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Sure sounds simple enough. However, we allowed our federal government to water that particular RIGHT down until it's meaningless. Don't have a valid FOID card in Illinois? Filthy felon, how dare you exercise your right. Off to prison you go! Don't mind those gang-bangers hosing the neighborhood down with machine gun fire, they're exempt from laws. Armed crack-head breaking into your house? Don't take his Beretta away from him and shoot him, you've committed attempted murder! What a pissed up POS pile of crap we have for a justice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jedi-Jack Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 228 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 9 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 626 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 229 Achievement Points: 4711 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 24, 2023 Birthday: 06/01/1971 Device: Windows Share Posted November 17, 2011 I Open Carry everywhere I go. I also have a concealed permit. But the true meaning of shall not be infringed = To carry openly! prezident Osama will not let it be signed into law. So the question needs to be asked and put forth to the congress that if the Citizens of The United States of America cannot openly carry a firearm for protection then ALL OF THE SECRET SERVICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT NEED TO BE DISARMED ALSO. I say this to bring the attention that THEY (POLITICIANS) ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE ARE!!!!! The president is just a man. He is not more important than we are. When he is out of office he will no longer matter to the world. So if he wishes us to be powerless then he needs to start with himself! We need to ensure that our rights guaranteed to us by The Constitution of The United States of America shall not be infringed. Sorry I ran away with the colors. I could not figure out how to go back to normal. For more information on open carry in your state please visit www.opencarry.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PrimalFear Posted November 17, 2011 Member ID: 159 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 6 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 855 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 93 Achievement Points: 5145 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 9, 2012 Birthday: 09/21/1971 Share Posted November 17, 2011 It's about damn time, I agree with all of you. Regulation, Restriction or Prevention is an infringement. I wish they could read in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted November 18, 2011 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14892 Content Per Day: 2.76 Reputation: 7830 Achievement Points: 91127 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hehehehehe This is good.. Good post guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
LaRSin Posted November 18, 2011 Member ID: 45 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 68 Topic Count: 981 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 9063 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 3580 Achievement Points: 66130 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 02/25/1951 Device: Windows Share Posted November 18, 2011 they have been peeking ,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted November 18, 2011 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Share Posted November 18, 2011 I have a concealed carry permit and am pleased to see the positive progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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