The Gun Control Thread

[Astronomer]

 

He is a moron and does not speak for me.

[ENG4INE]

[ENG4INE]

So, as a woman, how should I protect myself from rapists, murderers and thugs when I'm alone? What should I do during a home invasion (which happens a lot here)?

 

The police are minutes away when seconds count.

[BANNPIRE]

Ok, he broke numerous gun laws and shot people.So tell me what good did the laws do again? You said "

He is a moron and does not speak for me". Doesn't matter this guy made your logic flawed in itself.

Edited December 16, 2012 by BANNPIRE

[Astronomer]

The kool aid is strong with you Astomnomer ROLF. Can I be for real for a minute. Does our gun laws seriously affect you as a person. I mean what are the chances statisticly of them affecting you or yours. Your country has more guns than us anyway. I can easily say I'm worried your guns are going to cross the border over here and end up in the wrong hands. Stricked gun Laws don't keep guns out of the wrong hands that is a fact, so how can your point be valid anymore? All but 34 states bann auto gun ownership the rest of the states choose not to have a bann because that is our staets right to do so no matter what country thinks what we should do. We are the land of the free home of the brave. We are free to do what we think is right and brave enough to exercise and know our rights not inturpret them to fit an aganda.Evil will find a gun even if it is banned or more laws are made to restrict them. I don't really see a logical reason why or how this effects your trade. If our govenents want to trade guns thats their doing not the peoples. Here lets talk in circles ...your turn.

 

Best of luck to you. No point in keeping this going as our positions and life experiences are too far apart, and apparently we're both too entrenched in our perspectives to change them - just like the NHL players and owners (very important to us Canadians. News of the NHL lockout tends to lead our news broadcasts...). For the short term, I'll stick to why I accepted membership in >XI<: Gaming. Politics, guns, and religion are no-win topics.

[BANNPIRE]

I LOVE HOCKEY! Only sport I watch.

 

 

I have a lot of experience especially will a paralegal degree. No but really, this was a fun debate.

Edited December 16, 2012 by BANNPIRE

[BurnnBright]

The lobbyists from the gun industry have not won. They are forever fighting to protect our rights from people that want to remove them because they could care less about us. My only hope and goal is to contain that particular anti-gun culture and situation out of my country. There's a lot to love and admire about Canada. The anti-gun culture/situation is not one of those things. You have my sincerest hope that you make it through your life unscathed by it. As it is apparently is peaceful non-violent existence there, I hope it remains that way. I hope that your women never have be afraid to go to a shopping mall or even to a convenience store. I hope that your citizens can rest easy at night knowing that no one is going to break in to harm them. I hope that your towns never see gang violence (which uses automatic weapons by the way). I hope that none of your cashiers die while being robbed or children killed at schools. We don't have that peace of mind here. We have to live in fear and look over our shoulders in nearly every town in the USA. Now we also fear losing rights to protect ourselves from such harms using weapons of our choice while the morons in Washington are protected by the biggest and best guns. I am just as firm in my opinion that we should keep our rights to bear arms (even automatic ones) as you are in your opinion. Best of luck to you.

[Astronomer]

Astronomer, are you fimiliar with "fast and furious"? lol! Honestly, I don't poke my nose in others business too much. I researched the neighborhood that I moved into, so I don't have to worry that much about it here. Almost everyone on my street has a gun that I know of.... We don't get any problems here.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens down there for the reasons that I have stated. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens up there for the reasons that I have stated however you're country must do what they think is best for the particular circumstances there. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the NON-gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

The likelihood of my culture's perspective on unrestricted civilian ownership of weaponry being imported to yours is directly proportional to the ratios of our populations; that is to say, the threat from your side is 10 times the threat that mine is to yours. You have nothing to fear. Canada, on the other hand...

[Ramistar]

[BurnnBright]

Astronomer, are you fimiliar with "fast and furious"? lol! Honestly, I don't poke my nose in others business too much. I researched the neighborhood that I moved into, so I don't have to worry that much about it here. Almost everyone on my street has a gun that I know of.... We don't get any problems here.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens down there for the reasons that I have stated. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens up there for the reasons that I have stated however you're country must do what they think is best for the particular circumstances there. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the NON-gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

The likelihood of my culture's perspective on unrestricted civilian ownership of weaponry being imported to yours is directly proportional to the ratios of our populations; that is to say, the threat from your side is 10 times the threat that mine is to yours. You have nothing to fear. Canada, on the other hand...

 

So, because Canadians don't want/need certain weapons, Americans shouldn't be allowed to have them either. I get it now. Makes perfect sense. We have to agree to disagree. You believe certain weapons are a danger to your society. I believe the lack of certain weapons is a danger to mine. It's all about protecting the ones you love.

[Belle]

It is illegal for citizens to own guns in China. http://news.yahoo.co...-064458804.html My point in posting that news article was to show gun restrictions won't stop the cycle of violence at schools. We need to stop programming our children to kill. Read "On Killing" by Lt.Col. Dave Grossman if you would like to learn more about the psychology of killing in war and society. I have read several books, attended multiple trainings and seminars on school shooters and school shootings. It is a societal problem, not a gun problem. Media that is infesting our children's minds at a young age is training them to kill. Video games (emphasis on first person shooters) more so than the other forms. I am not an academic expert on the topic of school shooters and school shootings, but I have been trained by several experts in the field. I am former armed forces, and a current police officer. I have received the education on these topics because of the probability that I will be responding to an active shooter. The experts I refer too are University academics at the top of their field that have been one or both as well and have conducted studies as well as interviewed our countries school shooters that have lived to see prison. Of those shooters interviewed they all had several things in common. 1) they weren't afraid to die. 2) they were all afraid of failure 3) they acknowledged that schools were an easy target because they knew no one was armed to stop them, so the probability of their failure was lower. 4) they said as they were doing it, it was just like in their video games. They had become so detached from society that life was there video game. Mind you this isn't some sampling study of civilians and what their opinions are, these are the words of the killers themselves. Same goes for the attacks on malls and theaters. The people doing these attacks have known these are no weapons zones for civilians, so there only opposition could be armed officials. The security officer's in our malls are even unarmed, as they are in many cities. The doctors and experts I refer too started out wanting to know why these people are doing this so that they could better train first responders, not forward a political agenda. The better we understand the minds of killers, the better we can prevent and prepare to respond to such incidents. I recommend any writing by this expert if you would like to further your knowledge on the topic. http://www.killology.com/bio.htm Also any writing by Phil Chalmers. I realize posting this on a video game forum is going to piss of the parents that let there 7-?? year old play but the facts speak for themselves. Video games are MA for a reason.

 

Couple the above with one of the many forms of mental illness or cases where there were "signs" before but no one acted and you have a recipe for disaster.

 

 

Look what you started Labob lol

I see what you're saying Sheepdog but think it still boils down to mental problems and people not getting help before they snap. You can't blame guns any more then you can blame the video games. When somebody is that far gone they'd find another way to murder. But it is true what you say about the locations being gun free zones.. makes for easier targets. People like that aren't going to go try to shoot up a gun show for instance... they go where it's likely noone will be able to defend themselves. Look at Wyoming and Montana with more relaxed gun laws (open carry ect..) very low gun crimes and it's because the criminals have to think twice about whether grandma or whoever is carrying or not. I carry a steyr 9mm and yes it's loaded and hope I never have to use it. The criminals shouldn't be the only ones that get to carry and believe me, more gun "control" won't stop them.

[Astronomer]

Astronomer, are you fimiliar with "fast and furious"? lol! Honestly, I don't poke my nose in others business too much. I researched the neighborhood that I moved into, so I don't have to worry that much about it here. Almost everyone on my street has a gun that I know of.... We don't get any problems here.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens down there for the reasons that I have stated. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

You have ignored my point. I am interested in what happens up there for the reasons that I have stated however you're country must do what they think is best for the particular circumstances there. Given agreements between our countries and the porous nature of our shared border, there is a real danger to my country and way of life from the NON-gun culture that is so close to me geographically, economically, and politically. I do not want it.

 

The likelihood of my culture's perspective on unrestricted civilian ownership of weaponry being imported to yours is directly proportional to the ratios of our populations; that is to say, the threat from your side is 10 times the threat that mine is to yours. You have nothing to fear. Canada, on the other hand...

 

So, because Canadians don't want/need certain weapons, Americans shouldn't be allowed to have them either. I get it now. Makes perfect sense. We have to agree to disagree. You believe certain weapons are a danger to your society. I believe the lack of certain weapons is a danger to mine. It's all about protecting the ones you love.

 

No, that's not it...at all. Not even close.

 

Time for bed.

[Dark Asylumn]

nuff said

 

[Bama]

That was, for the most part, a healthy and civil discussion, between parties of differing viewpoints. I appreciate everyone, for the most part, not devolving into silly name calling and belittling one another. I think we have tested the limits of such a discussion as far as we should, and so, I will now close this topic... which has largely gone off topic from the main point of the original poster, who did not question gun control but questioned why many people automatically assume that gun bans will be enacted after a tragedy like we just experienced, and why it would be the first thing thought of instead of the loss of life and tragedy that has taken place. We may have inadvertently come closer to answering that question, however, than any questions concerning the gun control debate itself.

 

Thank you all, be well.

 

 

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