Guns In The Home, The Double Edged Sword

[Leadfinger]

First of all...when the revolution comes I'm headed for Shamus house...

Second, I am a gun owner since before I had kids (18 & 22 now) and when they were old enough to think and hold them I taught them gun safety and when  they were old enough to shoot them we went shooting....my son couldn't be less interested in guns either way....my daughter enjoys shooting and guns are really no big deal...they never were overly interested....

the point is my Dad had guns and made a secret out of them and I touched them every time they weren't home...my kids who had the ability to ask me to see or shoot them it was no big deal...if you expose people properly to things its no biggie....I did the same with fire, fireworks mini bikes ladders etc...everything "dangerous" around the house was shown and taught to my kids....and to my surprise they never got in trouble (I did lots), messed with my stuff ( I always found my parents hidey holes)

Its like EVERYTHING...education is key....

I think you hit the nail on the head here.

I also taught my kids about all the dangerous stuff around the house, I was proactive in introducing them to how knives are sharp,  how fire can destroy things and hurt you and how guns are very powerful and deadly. A component of teaching kids is to be open and honest.  Good communication is also lacking in most family's .

If you hide something from them it becomes mysterious and kids love mysteries.  Young minds are hungry to learn . . .parents have a responsibility to feed that hunger so that they don't get taught the wrong way 

[PimpedOutPete]

I have to say that this is completely foreign to me. I have never owned a gun, and never lived in an area where I felt I needed one. I have never been an advocate for the NRA as well. That doesn't mean, that I don't wish other to own them. If someone needs to use this type of force to protect themselves or a loved one, and does it in the most responsible way, then Im all for that..  Good post guys.

[Tball]

I have to say that this is completely foreign to me. I have never owned a gun, and never lived in an area where I felt I needed one. I have never been an advocate for the NRA as well. That doesn't mean, that I don't wish other to own them. If someone needs to use this type of force to protect themselves or a loved one, and does it in the most responsible way, then Im all for that..  Good post guys.

 

 

I have lived in my area my whole life and have never needed protection until about 5 years ago. Then my neighborhood was included some how in a circuit like clock work they would hit every 3 months and these were home invasions while home in bed they are coming in. They caught one and his residence was 40 miles away in Boston so they would come to very residential area's knowing that at 3am NO ONE was awake

[Shamu]

I have to say that this is completely foreign to me. I have never owned a gun, and never lived in an area where I felt I needed one. I have never been an advocate for the NRA as well. That doesn't mean, that I don't wish other to own them. If someone needs to use this type of force to protect themselves or a loved one, and does it in the most responsible way, then Im all for that..  Good post guys.

I cannot help but notice all the focus on guns being needed for protection. There is much more to that that is being overlooked and ignored.

 

Shooting is also a sport!

 

While I do have a permit to carry I do not have it for protection. When I shot for a local club we traveled to matches often eating meals out. It was better to carry your gun concealed while you ate than to leave guns in the car.

 

I shoot for the sport and the interaction with my sons and grandsons. As an honest citizen with no criminal record why should I not be allowed to have or carry a gun?

 

All these proposed restrictive gun laws do absolutely nothing but hurt the honest and responsible gun owner. The criminal element will still have their guns.

 

Make laws targeting the bad guys such as allowing police to randomly stop persons with criminal records and search them for weapons possession. The right of privacy should not apply depending on criminal history. Hell, we can have mandatory drug testing why can't we check for illegal possession of a firearm particularly with regard to criminal histories.?

 

Focus on the criminal element not gun owners who abide by the law.

[hxtr]

 

@@little_old_man It's time to break those guns out and introduce the kids, providing they are responsble enough, to the shooting sport.

Gun owners are in need of responsible parents teaching the younger generation in the responsibility in gun ownership and safety.

 

There are more but thats enough.

Dang Shamu that's one helluva gun collection . . .very nice indeed!

holly crap shamu.. bad ass collection. Im coming to you house when shit hits the fan. Hold on a sec.. you live in PA.. i am way better off right here in Texas. hahahhaa

 

very nice collection.

[Damage_inc-]

 

 

What use are firearms if one has no ammunition to put into them?

Reserve militia personnel no longer have bullets at home.

 

It's unfortunate that pro-gun Americans seek to justify their choice by trying to locate a

gun-toting Utopia somewhere else in the world.  It doesn't exist.  That doesn't invalidate

the American choice for Americans in America but they (you) have to learn to accept it

and live with it.  It is obviously not without its drawbacks.  12,000 gun-related deaths per year

cannot be dismissed or overlooked.

 

For those of us outside, we just stand horrified, scratching our heads and unable to

understand why. 

1. Guns may kill 12,000 per year, but Hospitals kill 195,000.     Submitted by JoshArizona on Sun, 12/23/2012 - 22:34
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   A few questions for Gun Control advocates:

   If 12,000 gun deaths a year is reason enough to ban guns, then what about 195,000 medical malpractice deaths a year?

   There are only 690,000 doctors in the United States, and between

   150-200 million gun owners in the United States, is it not statistically

   true that doctors are more dangerous than gun owners?

   Using this same standard, should we ban hospitals?

   What about 32,000 deaths from automotive accidents, should we ban cars?

   Why are guns a higher priority than motor vehicle fatalities, or medical malpractice fatalities?

   Someone could say "Ah ha! But we need cars and hospitals, we don't need guns!"

   The argument that we don't need guns is highly debatable, but lets

   consider for sake of argument something that we don't actually need,

   cigarettes and alcohol.

   Annually around 435,000 people are killed by tobacco related

   illnesses and 83,000 die from alcohol related causes, should we have

   prohibition of cigarettes and alcohol?

   Do we need a nanny state to protect us from every conceivable risk in life?

   In Summer 2012 alone 137,000 people drowned, should we ban swimming?

   On average 20,000 die every year from Sexually Transmitted Diseases, should we ban sexual intercourse?

   I could come up with hundreds of examples, but you get the picture.

    

   this sums it up well I think

[Frags]

The US is far far from the country with the highest death rate due to firearms. The US is far, far, far ahead as the leader in firearm ownership in the world. Estimated that there are 88 firearms per 100 population. The only reason the world is horrified at the US death rate is that the liberals all over the world have succeeded in coming up with complete and utter bullshit to get the sheep like populations to go along with the masters (politicians) wishes. Like it or not the US constitution provides for the population to own firearms, it is a right, and like it or not it is one of the founding principles of our country. The world would like to knock us down to their level and to me it is completely unacceptable. If you don't like our constitution you are allowed to leave for any of the less violent countries in the world. The founding fathers thought so much of firearm ownership that it was number 2 on their priority list. Other countries don't have the same connection to firearms, or history with them that we do. I am a firearm owner, shooter and have a carry permit and I do. It does not matter what the reason I choose to carry, it is it my right and I will try my best to keep it that way. Thankfully, the state of Oklahoma as many other states loosened gun ownership laws and have fought new ones at the federal level. The press and the libs have used the mass school shootings as proof their way is better. I say put armed guards in schools just like king obamas kids enjoy. The state of Oklahoma is considering laws allowing teachers with CCW permits to carry in school. As it should be. A law abiding citizen protecting the kids they are trusted with. I don't have a problem with it, and most here don't either. It is true that firearm ownership is a huge responsibility and if you don't care to get training and stay proficient you should not own them. 

Shamu's gun collection puts mine to shame, but this is the most important part if you ask me. I roll my own.

[JohnnyQuest]

 

Geeez only if Switzerland was in a warm climate i would go there and maybe stay

Canadians would fit in just lovely...our skin is allready thick from winters here...lol....interesting ...nice find Damage...didn't know that about the country...each man is their own army...good way to be when the shit hits the fan...no scrambling to find guns...just put out a citizens alert to suit up...which is why they remain neutral.i'm packing now...

[Tball]

 

 

Geeez only if Switzerland was in a warm climate i would go there and maybe stay

Canadians would fit in just lovely...our skin is allready thick from winters here...lol....interesting ...nice find Damage...didn't know that about the country...each man is their own army...good way to be when the shit hits the fan...no scrambling to find guns...just put out a citizens alert to suit up...which is why they remain neutral.i'm packing now...

 

 

This is how the US used to be until the liberals got a hold of it!

[JohnnyQuest]

being Canadian and tough gun laws no pistols etc..as a child i was taught by my Father to respect guns and was using a 4-10 shotgun at the age of seven in the woods behind my house...hunting partridge[grouse]..never an incident or or any type of disrespect for the gun...it all boils down to the teacher ....now our laws have become even stiffer here in Canada but i believe it is mostly to do with more people being on the earth now than before...non gun raised children are shocked by the noise and un-educated in the area of firearms by their parents or guardians....guns are only as dangerous as the person using them or the attitude on firearms that they have been taught,, after all its just a piece of iron and wood,,,didn't Dillenger break out of jail with a gun made of soap?

[JohnnyQuest]

A herring gull (sky rat) shat all over my wife's tee shirt, today, when it was outside drying on the washing line.

I would love to have a .410 shotgun to take these bastards out but they are a protected species and I'd

probably fail the psych' element of the assessment for owning any sort of firearm.  If one has suffered

mental illness of any kind, I guess that's it for life! 

use a bb gun and peck them in the skull...lol...have like a contest...best out of ten bb's...and to the ones that have never had a [shit hawk] gull.. crap on their shoulder too bad...lol....i peck them daily...they steal all the bird feed...doesn't kill them just makes them dance a few jigs...now when i lever a bb into the chamber.lol..they fly like bastards,,,trained by sound and stinging,,,i can look at them now as well and they take off,,or shake the bb gun....the town dump is a good spot for those fuckers....people feeding them makes them lazy

[PingLo]

This country was freed by it's resident militia and god willing will stay free because of like minded patriots imbued with the same sense of purpose and the need to fight off the infidels and gather around a central calling of which is to fight off the tyranny that we see daily.

 

I'm thinking that statement hopefully offended most who are reading it.

[DEEJAYKEG]

 

A herring gull (sky rat) shat all over my wife's tee shirt, today, when it was outside drying on the washing line.

I would love to have a .410 shotgun to take these bastards out but they are a protected species and I'd

probably fail the psych' element of the assessment for owning any sort of firearm.  If one has suffered

mental illness of any kind, I guess that's it for life! 

use a bb gun and peck them in the skull...lol...have like a contest...best out of ten bb's...and to the ones that have never had a [shit hawk] gull.. crap on their shoulder too bad...lol....i peck them daily...they steal all the bird feed...doesn't kill them just makes them dance a few jigs...now when i lever a bb into the chamber.lol..they fly like bastards,,,trained by sound and stinging,,,i can look at them now as well and they take off,,or shake the bb gun....the town dump is a good spot for those fuckers....people feeding them makes them lazy

 

Ownership and use of air weapons is heavily regulated in England.  If one shoots wildlife with them that are not classed as vermin (like rats) and does so other than on ones own property and well away from a public highway, one can go to jail. 

[PimpedOutPete]

Lol. I see the pro-gun movement within our group have circled the wagons.. And pretty fast as well. Iol I don't think anyone is arguing that responsible gun ownership for sport or defense isn't a gun thing.., I think we all agree its fine.

[ZiGiii]

Was brought up Hunting, learned to respect and be responsible with firearms. Life member NRA, concealed carry permit with numerous states. Armed to the teeth.. Pity the fool that trys to take advantage of my family or myself !!

[Shamu]

Let us not forget that gun ownership and abilty to use them was a significant factor in gaining our independence.

 

Oh yea, France helped a wee bit too.

 

And that England had more irons in the fire than they could handle or afford.

 

We were most fortunate, the time was right or we would still be speaking proper English.

 

Sort of amazing considering the past that we are such close allies.

[PimpedOutPete]

Let us not forget that gun ownership and abilty to use them was a significant factor in gaining our independence.

 

Oh yea, France helped a wee bit too.

 

And that England had more irons in the fire than they could handle or afford.

 

We were most fortunate, the time was right or we would still be speaking proper English.

 

Sort of amazing considering the past that we are such close allies.

 

 

Ahhh Its all about forgive and forget...