Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/george-washington-britains-greatest-enemy_n_1426577.html?ncid=webmail5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 8000 Brits knowing something about George Washington!? ..... Actually, I find it hard to believe - unless the online poll was at Oxford / Cambridge Uni (etc) and only for Students studing "American History"! (all 300years of it , sorry can not resist that. heh heh) "the worst defeat for the British Empire ever." .. at this time, I think it was the ONLY defeat for the British Empire !!... AND you needed the French (as well as Mel Gibson) .. Shortly afterwards, I believe we started sending our criminals to a warm and tropical climate to live whilst we stayed here in the freezing cold and constantly pissing down with rain tiny little Island we love so much. Known as the "what a bunch of wankers we were" peroid. hxtr and DEEJAYKEG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolmd Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 2384 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 69 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1058 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 757 Achievement Points: 9389 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/10/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7 Birthday: 01/18/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL at the history lessons... -cracken- and Jud1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted April 17, 2012 As with many of these online surveys, the result is utterly meaningless. I used to admire Washington for his moral values - there's a rare quality in a politician who becomes famous for saying, "I cannot tell a lie" - but then I learned that the story about the cherry tree was a fabrication, made up by Parson Weems. Jud1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL, many Americans may not have thought of how good a general Washington was either. I know I didn't. He was however politically wise and set precedents as President that live to this day. I also hate to admit that without the help of France the outcome probably would have been dramatically different. Without their help we just might be still speaking "proper English" Thank God the British and French had no love for each other. Also helped that at the time England had irons in the fire all over the world and was going broke fighting wars. Jud1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 "Also helped that at the time England had irons in the fire all over the world and was going broke fighting wars" Now why does THAT sound so familiar!!! hxtr, Shamu, mikepaz666 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.28 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 19 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 No Margaret Thatcher was Britains greatest enemy Yop, mikepaz666, DEEJAYKEG and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 No Margaret Thatcher was Britains greatest enemy I think many Americans admired Maggie, a woman with balls. Hell, she could not have been too bad considering how long she served. This reminds me, I have to watch Iron Lady on my "telly". Any XI reviews out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.28 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 19 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Please Shamu you did not live under her rule, she ruined our coal industry and our Steel industry from which we have never recovered, she destroyed whole communities just so she could destroy the most powerful union in the country, she stayed in power because the other parties were absolutely un-votable at the time, she also changed the boundary lines (in her favour) of constituancies where she might have lost seats and made sure she kept the seats, she was also very lucky Argentina invaded the Falkland islands, her poll rating at the time was the lowest ever (she would surely have lost the next election), she was voted more unpopular then Hitler, it's just a shame that many young soldiers (on both sides) had to die to keep her in power, she must have got down on her knees every night thanking God for General Galtieri, you only saying you admired her because Ronny Rotten was probably shagging her...blimey can you imagine that offspring. Edited April 17, 2012 by Sonovabich mikepaz666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) LOL, fortunately we in America care little or know anything about any internal British political issues. We only see the world issues and are rather insensitive if the internal issues do not impact on us. As for President Ronald Reagan, still beloved by the consevative element in the States to this day. Hmmmm......... SOB, might I guess you are a Liberal? Obviously I am not. Politial mindsets often skew perception. My edit: While I say I am a Consevative make no mistake I oppose our countries involvement in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan. I dislike our soldiers acting as NATO's police force. If I could bring them home today I would and let those idiots kill each other until the big dog wins. It is a bitter pill to see American, AND BRITISH, lives being lost in a war that serves us no useful purpose. Get our troops out and win with technology and economic sanctions instead of our soldiers lives. Yes, I am a bitter old man. Edited April 17, 2012 by Shamu Jud1 and hxtr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Its where I started this conversation .. 8000 Brits knowing anything of US history / polotics ... But interesting that Shamu, re: Involvement ... I've heard many stories as to exactly WHY we are there in the 1st place as it happens. from the obvious "Oil" and a pipeline to be built through both countries ... to the control of Opium (it's why the UK owned Hong Kong in 1st place!) and then more recently, I heard about "Lithium" http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/raremetal.htm In my opinion - there's something we're not privy to here that goes way past the risk of being attacked in our own countries! Agreed, bring the boys and girls home and let them kill each other ... and they will, as they have done for forever and a day! Shamu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.28 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 19 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 No i am a socialist always have been always will be...proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.28 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 19 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 But if we are going to take this seriously then George Washington was far from being Britains greatest/most feared enemy, Britain was never in any danger from George Washington, or the United States at the time, my country has had many great enemies, we could go back 1000 years and say William the Conqueror, invaded Britain and won the crown with just a few hundred men, changed our whole country as a result, we could say Napoleon who was a real danger to all Europe and parts of North Africa, but i gotta say my country's greatest enemy was Hitler, if it was'nt for a few hundred brave pilots from all over the world who saved our skins in the Battle of Britain in 1940 and material help from the USA then we would probably have been conquered and who knows what would have happened in WW2 after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) I believe Hitler was not considered because he did not lead troops in battle, as Rommel did, but was primarily a political entity. And I certainly agree the United States at the time was of no threat to England at all. This was a war of economics and world domination for England, not a war because of any perceived threat from the United States. England wanted to keep the material value of the States and nothing more. I also suppose the common man in England had little say on the subject. ( IE: Rich Mans War........ on both sides.) The poll confuses me as to the criteria used. I suppose it is just an evaluation of a Generals performance taking into consideration of the odds against them and resources available, not necessarily the threat they posed to England. Socialist, isn't that somewhat of a Liberal? Providing it is pure Socialism and does not evolve into a Dictatorship. My heritage is Swedish which is a Socialist country but I'll be damned if I possess any of the Sweidsh mentality. I even hit my kids when they deserved it............. only a proper spanking mind you. BTW, I consider myself Conservative which usually aligns me with the Republican party but I have never in my life voted a straight political ticket. I pick and chose for where my vote will go. Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Libertarian of of late the Tea Party do not determine my vote. The individual candidate is the determining factor. Edited April 17, 2012 by Shamu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikepaz666 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 130 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 13 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 466 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 181 Achievement Points: 4295 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 27, 2023 Birthday: 11/06/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 plz can you stop calling the UK england it fucks me off big time...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I've never yet met an American that doesn't always state they are from somewhere else! Though Shamu has at least put "Heritage" rather than, I'm Swedish! The first time I went to the US, I stayed with a friend and we had a "Super Bowl" Party ... loads of guys turn up and my pal Mike shouts to me, do you want another beer? ... after I replied, this guy next to me said .."Whoa, are you a fuckin Limey"?? .. I didnt understand what he meant at the time, anyhow .. yes I'm English ,. oh that's great, thanks a bunch Mike, I get to watch the Superbowl with a fuckin Limey .... Not being one to shy away, I said to him .... you have a problem with the English??? Yeah he says .. I'm fuckin Irish !!! - oh here we go ...., Trying to make lite of a potential I asked him ..how long did you live in Ireland??? .. Oh I didnt .. My Great Great Great Grand (whatever) parents did !!!! Ahhhhhhh I said, sorry, I misunderstood ... I'm Ethiopian!! .. He said "Huh?" So I asked him, how did his Great Great Grandparents get to Ireland? ... He said "Huh"? The defense rests M'lord. ps: Had a great time, though that still ain't FOOTball! and the advert run between maybe amazing to you but we get shit like that every 5 mins DAY IN DAY OUT!!! its an ADVERT! said "Irish" guy is now and has been since, a Great Great friend ... hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikepaz666 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 130 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 13 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 466 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 181 Achievement Points: 4295 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 27, 2023 Birthday: 11/06/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 There have been at least eight U.S. Presidents with Welsh ancestry including Thomas Jefferson,[3] Abraham Lincoln, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, James Garfield, Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon and Barack Obama.[4] Confederate President Jefferson Davis and U.S. Vice President Hubert Humphrey were also of Welsh heritage.l[5] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 There have been at least eight U.S. Presidents with Welsh ancestry including Thomas Jefferson,[3] Abraham Lincoln, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, James Garfield, Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon and Barack Obama.[4] Confederate President Jefferson Davis and U.S. Vice President Hubert Humphrey were also of Welsh heritage.l[5] Welsh!? ... I thought Barack was supposed to be Irish?! Washington was of English decent I believe ...... come to think of it .... don't think I've heard many Americans say "British decent" .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 My wife was half Irish Catholic and we both classified the IRA as nothing better than terrorists. They may hate the English and I do not take issue with that but when they randomly target civilians I find I take exception. I have also visited her Irish family more than a few times, both here and there, and was quite surprised to find that many in the Republic of Ireland do not want unification with the North. It seems they fear the economy of the North would only hurt the Republic of Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 plz can you stop calling the UK england it fucks me off big time...... Unfortunately I suppose it will always be England to those of us in the States. Old habits die hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 69 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 227 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2660 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 4123 Achievement Points: 22969 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 19 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 05/07/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Jud1 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 3348 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 3 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 123 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 82 Achievement Points: 1055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 10, 2012 Birthday: 04/13/1968 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Who the fuck drew lines on the planet and called them countries anyway!? As far as I am concerned, really .. deep down in my heart ... I'm human.. hxtr and mikepaz666 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Device: Windows Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL, so true! We are loud, egotistical and illiterate, one of the few countries whose citizens do not have the capacity to speak two languages. Let's not even discuss how we are accused of butchering the English language................. or is it the UK language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikepaz666 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 130 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 13 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 466 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 181 Achievement Points: 4295 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 27, 2023 Birthday: 11/06/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 i love england i was only saying that the uk is not england thats all .......you can all have a big man hug...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
mikepaz666 Posted April 17, 2012 Member ID: 130 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 13 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 466 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 181 Achievement Points: 4295 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 27, 2023 Birthday: 11/06/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL, so true! We are loud, egotistical and illiterate, one of the few countries whose citizens do not have the capacity to speak two languages. Let's not even discuss how we are accused of butchering the English language................. or is it the UK language? it is the english language the welsh have their own.......diolch yn fawr.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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