Teaching Kids To Use Guns.

[Shamu]

I have been an NRA certified rifle and pistol instructor for over 20 years. I have had the opportunity to teach many adults and non-adults the proper way to handle firearems - with respect. Firearms are no diferent than anything else that can be mistreated and cause problems. We don't ban alcohol or cars because of drunk drivers that kill and maime - why ban guns because they are improperly uised. The typical person will respond properly to dealing with firearms if they have the proper training. Cars, alcohol, and guns don't kill people - people do.

 

Must be hell living in NJ as a gun owner.

[TBB]

Could be worse - not by much though

[ANGUS]

Well I'm not going to repeat a lot of good honest discussion from both sides of the isle. As GatorGirl has stated I have taught her and Bronco2 how to use guns safely and properly.I grew up hunting and shooting and have always had guns around and never thought they were for anything other then hunting and protection!! Unfortunately we live in a world that is not a friendly place and there are people that want what you have and are willing to take your life and do what they will with it,I'm not going to lay down and let somebody take what I HAVE HARD WORKED FOR AND MADE FOR MY SELF AND HURT MY FAMILY WITH A FIGHT.

 

True material things can be replaced and fixed,But can a mother have her child back,Can a son have his father back,Can a child have his classmate back???? Not always! When it's Gods time to take you HE will !! but thats not somebody else's decision..Once again good arguments from both side,But as far as I'm concerned there is only one side.Be Judged by 12 then carried by 6!

[PimpedOutPete]

lol Nice response at the end Angus.... Well done buddy..

[BigPapaDean]

Well, its simple, u not allowed to bear guns without a license, and for that u need to be at least 18, because before that age very few can have real maturity anyway. and to get a license u have to prove yourself not insane, u have to be affiliated with a gun club and/or work in security sector (from what i remember)

i dont see where the problem is with these regulations.

in fact its the only way to be sure the person with a gun wont be totally insane like its too often the case in countries where there is no gun laws or very little.

u can say we have less freedom, we dont see it as freedom, we see it as a cause of murders, and by looking at "death by gun" numbers, i guess we are right.

its like driving a car, if u are insane or too young or anything u can cause horrible accidents. so u need a driving license

 

but obviously we have less guns in the streets than u have

so i can understand some people wants the feeling they can "try" to protect themselves, in reality more people cant and therefor lots are dying by guns.

 

this story could also be totally different, like the bad man see a kid with a gun and then decided to shoot, while if the kid didnt have a gun he wont shoot.

who knows

in fact the story is most of the time very different like numbers are saying.

Chkn you referred to a phrase I'd like you to back upm with facts. You said a couple times or more, "like the numbers is saying." What numberas are you talking about and where and who did you get them from. You really shouldn't make statements like that without proof to back it up. I would love to see these said numbers and see where the people that figured it all up got their facts! I am just saying its easy to say that but to prove it is much different..

[BigPapaDean]

Could be worse - not by much though

yeah by living in Philly! Lmao Sorry Shamu

[TedsofBeverlyHills]

Yes the child is a hero in my eyes and the taxpayers a lot of money saved if the intruder dies of his injuries.

Only I find firearms do not belong in the hands of children

 

Question Hans; if that home invasion happen to you and you had those ages of kids in the your family would you rather your kids had or did not have access to gun ?

[Shamu]

 

i dont see where the problem is with these regulations.

in fact its the only way to be sure the person with a gun wont be totally insane like its too often the case in countries where there is no gun laws or very little.

 

CHKN, it is important to understand that in our country the "right to bear arms" is protected by the second amendment in our Constitution and I quote:

 

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

 

The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States of America.

 

The Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and ratified by conventions in eleven states. It went into effect on March 4, 1789^[1]. The first ten constitutional amendments ratified by three-fourths of the states in 1791 are known as the Bill of Rights.

 

This is something held sacred in our country and has been questioned in courts multiple times but never changed. It has always been upheld in court as one of our basic rights as citizens of the United Stated.

 

Neither the Federal, State or Local Governments can draft laws that violate any of our rights as protected in our Constitution. Many have tried, all have failed.

 

You would need to understand the importance and basis of the United States Constitution to fully appreciate the importance of this document. You simply cannot draft a law that infringes on our rights. It is very difficult to amend or make changes to our Bill of Rights,

 

Our Constitution and Bill of Rights has served this country well and is well worth protecting.

 

History lesson over.

[Shamu]

yeah by living in Philly! Lmao Sorry Shamu

 

I beg your pardon, I happen to live outside Philly near Valley Forge. I usually say Philly because that is where I was born and raised and most persons are geographically deficient but have a slight chance of knowing where Philly is located.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Shamu

[ChknFngr]

Shamu, i dont say the opposite i just explained how it works on this side, and that i think it works fine.

i dont judge your constitution and bill of rights at all, im all for it to be respected. (even if u have to agree with me, its not respected at all these days)

 

Dean i refer to the numbers of people killed by guns wish is way worse in the USA.

if u want numbers here check the UN global study on the topic http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf

[Super Max]

Yes the child is a hero in my eyes and the taxpayers a lot of money saved if the intruder dies of his injuries.

Only I find firearms do not belong in the hands of children

 

Question Hans; if that home invasion happen to you and you had those ages of kids in the your family would you rather your kids had or did not have access to gun ?

 

I have other of resource in-house to protect my children.

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In the Netherlands there is no possible chance to firearms in a legal way around the house and that children who use it.

 

But if that is legal, then may my children always use it to shoot intruders.

 

My rule is that all who enter my house unwanted.

Are their lives not sure and I have no need for firearm

[BigPapaDean]

Well, its simple, u not allowed to bear guns without a license, and for that u need to be at least 18, because before that age very few can have real maturity anyway. and to get a license u have to prove yourself not insane, u have to be affiliated with a gun club and/or work in security sector (from what i remember)

i dont see where the problem is with these regulations.

in fact its the only way to be sure the person with a gun wont be totally insane like its too often the case in countries where there is no gun laws or very little.

u can say we have less freedom, we dont see it as freedom, we see it as a cause of murders, and by looking at "death by gun" numbers, i guess we are right.

its like driving a car, if u are insane or too young or anything u can cause horrible accidents. so u need a driving license

 

but obviously we have less guns in the streets than u have

so i can understand some people wants the feeling they can "try" to protect themselves, in reality more people cant and therefor lots are dying by guns.

 

this story could also be totally different, like the bad man see a kid with a gun and then decided to shoot, while if the kid didnt have a gun he wont shoot.

who knows

in fact the story is most of the time very different like numbers are saying.

Chkn you referred to a phrase I'd like you to back upm with facts. You said a couple times or more, "like the numbers is saying." What numberas are you talking about and where and who did you get them from. You really shouldn't make statements like that without proof to back it up. I would love to see these said numbers and see where the people that figured it all up got their facts! I am just saying its easy to say that but to prove it is much different..

There is another explanation to what I think you were referring to. There are what many of us Americans call punks running around on the streets with guns. ( A punk is an underage gangster trying to prove how tough he is because he has a gun) I see this in the news quite often where some punk was doing something real stupid and was carrying a gun and got shot because he put himself in harms way! Very sad but very true!

[Yop]

What it's strange, it is to accept that your government do nothing about this mess. If the civilians feel the need to defend himself, the state missed in his duty. You should not find that normal to have to a weapon to protect you, that's all. Even if your amemdement allowed it to you.

Be careful guys, you represent the most powerful country in the world, you have to be a model, not a no-man's-land.

[little_old_man]

What it's strange, it is to accept that your government do nothing about this mess. If the civilians feel the need to defend himself, the state missed in his duty. You should not find that normal to have to a weapon to protect you, that's all. Even if your amemdement allowed it to you.

Be careful guys, you represent the most powerful country in the world, you have to be a model, not a no-man's-land.

 

Europe has been invaded and many parts destroyed twice in the last 100 years. The US is coming up on 236 years and has never been occupied by another country since Britain tried in 1812 and was sent home with their tails between their legs by our mostly civilian and volunteer army. Whatever we've been doing, I'm perfectly happy with it. We are the most powerful country in the world and a model for many, which is why people try to cross our borders illegally to get here and often succeed. They want what the rest of us have. Freedom of speech, freedom from oppression and freedom from our own government deciding what is and isn't best for our well being. Most importantly we have the freedom to shoot some punk-ass mother fucker that wants to take what we have worked so hard for.

[Shamu]

Shamu, i dont say the opposite i just explained how it works on this side, and that i think it works fine.

i dont judge your constitution and bill of rights at all, im all for it to be respected. (even if u have to agree with me, its not respected at all these days)

 

Hans, I think that is all we are both doing, explaining why things are different in each persons country. It is all just for a better understanding of each persons culture and way of life. It is not about agreeing, disagreeing, judging or arguing, just showing the logical explanation of differences so each of us is better understood and informed.

Edited June 27, 2012 by Shamu

[Shamu]

What it's strange, it is to accept that your government do nothing about this mess. If the civilians feel the need to defend himself, the state missed in his duty. You should not find that normal to have to a weapon to protect you, that's all. Even if your amemdement allowed it to you.

Be careful guys, you represent the most powerful country in the world, you have to be a model, not a no-man's-land.

 

Understand not all of us own weapons because we live in fear or need to protect ourselves. I own guns because I enjoy shooting and the family activities that come from it.

 

Also I just like guns, to me they are works of art and mechanical genius. It is something I find hard to fully explain but my ownership is not because I feel a need to defend myself.

 

Some people collect art, some cars, some dolls. I like to collect guns.

 

I do not live in fear here in the U.S. To me it is the greatest country on earth as evidenced by the amount of immigrants who have come here to live. We are very, very young for a country when compared to European countries but by damn we have come a long way on the backs of immigrants who left their homes for a better life and came here to live.

 

We are a very long way from a no-mans land which we were not to long ago,

 

We have gone from woods, fields and native Americans to become perhaps the most powerful country on earth. That is quite an accomplishment and I am proud of it and very proud to be a citizen of this country.

[ChknFngr]

Shamu, i dont say the opposite i just explained how it works on this side, and that i think it works fine.

i dont judge your constitution and bill of rights at all, im all for it to be respected. (even if u have to agree with me, its not respected at all these days)

 

Hans, I think that is all we are both doing, explaining why things are different in each persons country. It is all just for a better understanding of each persons culture and way of life. It is not about agreeing, disagreeing, judging or arguing, just showing the logical explanation of differences so each of us is better understood and informed.

 

hmm that was me saying this, not hans

[Shamu]

Shamu, i dont say the opposite i just explained how it works on this side, and that i think it works fine.

i dont judge your constitution and bill of rights at all, im all for it to be respected. (even if u have to agree with me, its not respected at all these days)

 

Hans, I think that is all we are both doing, explaining why things are different in each persons country. It is all just for a better understanding of each persons culture and way of life. It is not about agreeing, disagreeing, judging or arguing, just showing the logical explanation of differences so each of us is better understood and informed.

 

hmm that was me saying this, not hans

 

You know, I thought I had buggered up the quote. I try to delete parts of a quote for better clarity. I thought I was quoting Hans, when I posted it came up CHKN and I went back and edited it to Hans.

 

Call it a Senior Moment, that is my standard excuse for errors on my part.

[BigPapaDean]

If you read this in context you will find that its the criminal forces in our country perpetuating the firearm crimes. Alln the more reason to have and keep firearms handy and readily available in case of need!

 

 

Not all homicides involve a weapon. But while

killers can prove to be particularly ingenious

regarding the manner in which they dispose of

other people, 42 per cent of global homicides are

actually committed by firearm. Homicides in the

Americas are more than three and a half times as

likely to be perpetrated with a firearm than in

Europe (74 per cent vs. 21 per cent), whereas

sharp objects are more than twice as likely to be

murder weapons in Europe, where they predominate, than in the Americas (36 per cent vs. 16

per cent).

The role played by firearms in homicide is fundament a l and, whi l e the spe c i f i c re l a t i onship

between firearm availability and homicide is complex, it appears that a vicious circle connects firea rm a va i l abi l i t y and hi ghe r homi c ide l e ve l s .

Firearms undoubtedly drive homicide increases in

certain regions and where they do members of

organized criminal groups are often those who

pull the trigger.

In the Americas, more than 25 per cent of homicides are related to organized crime and the activities of criminal gangs, while the same is only true

of some 5 per cent of homicides in the Asian and

European countries for which data are available.

This does not mean, however, that organized criminal groups are not as active in those two regions,

but rather that they may resort to means other

than visible extreme violence in the pursuit of their

illicit activities.

In many countries with high homicide rates the

share of firearm homicides is also greater and is

often associated with the illicit activities of organized criminal groups, which are often linked to

drug trafficking, the root cause of the surge in

homicides in Central America in recent years. In

the last five years, homicide rates have increased in

five out of eight countries in Central America,

with some countries seeing their rate more than

double in the same period. These trends are largely

attributable to fluctuations in cocaine trafficking

in Central America, which can lead to criminal

conflicts as a result of both increases and decreases

in drug flows, with the latter particularly resulting

in increased competition between drug trafficking

groups.

To assert their authority, mark their territory or

challenge the authorities, organized criminal

groups also use indiscriminate lethal violence that

may not be directly attributable to drug trafficking

but has resulted, in recent years, in the murders of

numerous state representatives, elected officials

and law enforcement officers, as well as members

of the general public. Increasing violence redraws

the boundaries of its own acceptability and in so

doing fuels homicide yet further.

[Yop]

It's ok if you just collect weapons.

But get ready to kill somebody with it, it's idiot and absurd.

Apparently there are several persons here who need it for protection. The civilians shouldn't have to make that.

 

Question history, we are an old nation, with war and poverty since many years.

We took weapons to fight our freedom. In every battle' end, we did not remain in this warrior logic and in this fear of the other one. We had to turn out our weapons.

 

Now the fights are not any more made by the "little" weapons, the war is economic and political.

Effectively you are most powerfull of the world, you have an image of freedom and possible rich. But it is as well unbearable as you convey this image of vice and reactionnary stupid state show.

[Yop]

ps: sorry dean I have no time to read your post, I will later

[Shamu]

Forum Fact.

 

The longer the paragraphs, the longer the post, the less likely it will be read or understood.

 

In general most forum participants are here for "Headline Style News". Short and sweet, get to the point and then get gone.

 

Saw the above comments in a newspaper article from a college psych course, I forget the college but think it was Ivy League.

 

I tend to agree with the study, It should be like business writing, to the point with no window dressing. Fill in blanks latter if needed.

[TBB]

Shamu - a bit off base there - most forum participants are here to say "FU Llama", rag on Hxtr, complain about not seeing enough boobies, find cheap weed, etc.

[Shamu]

Shamu - a bit off base there - most forum participants are here to say "FU Llama", rag on Hxtr, complain about not seeing enough boobies, find cheap weed, etc.

 

"Idiots" here at XI are granted special dispensation from normal rules of society since their mental acuity comes into question.

[DorkNRok]

Heard that story on the news not too long ago. Fast thinking on the kids part and I'm sure it's in part to responisble gun ownership by the parrents. Glad to see this worked out well (minus the obvious mental scaring) for the familly and children...