DEEJAYKEG Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.14 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted March 7, 2013 A general BF3 question, not specific to XI servers, but aimed at those who are experienced in the air and trying to down jets and choppers with the IGLA and Stinger. I am aware that there is an ECM perk employed by those pilots who have unlocked it. From the ground this appears to be puffs of smoke around the aircraft (or have I got that wrong?). If an IGLA/Stinger is within range of an airborne jet, are there any other legitimate circumstances in which one would be unable to get a lock? Secondly, are there any legitimate perks employed by pilots that would permit them to home in on a concealed enemy or, when this happens, should one suspect some form of cheating? I reiterate that these questions have resulted from experiences on a non-XI server on which no players who frequent our clan's were present (as a player of low abilities, I am used to being "pwned" by Level 100 Colonels but a 15-69 kdr is pretty bad even for me!). Thanks for any thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damit1 Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 1188 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 258 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1692 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 1355 Achievement Points: 15036 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 21 Device: Android Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) A general BF3 question, not specific to XI servers, but aimed at those who are experienced in the air and trying to down jets and choppers with the IGLA and Stinger. I am aware that there is an ECM perk employed by those pilots who have unlocked it. From the ground this appears to be puffs of smoke around the aircraft (or have I got that wrong?) Yuuup! If an IGLA/Stinger is within range of an airborne jet, are there any other legitimate circumstances in which one would be unable to get a lock? I have found if you " Q " them you may get a lock sooner then later. If the plane/heli has stealth it will take an extra couple seconds to lock. (smaller lock - shoot window) They could (but I doubt) have the vehicle equipped with "proximity scan " just like the tanks. I dont know any one that uses it except when they first get the perk. Most of us, have filed that perk. Secondly, are there any legitimate perks employed by pilots that would permit them to home in on a concealed enemy or, when this happens, should one suspect some form of cheating? Are you playing softcore? anyone on the other team " Q's " you the whole team will know your there...all the pilot does is turns around and badabing....there you are...nightly night I reiterate that these questions have resulted from experiences on a non-XI server on which no players who frequent our clan's were present (as a player of low abilities, I am used to being "pwned" by Level 100 Colonels but a 15-69 kdr is pretty bad even for me!). Wow what determination, I would have accidentally kicked the plug of my pc outa the wall before that game ended. lol So the question remains is it your tactics or the pilots? I say " employ the same tactics on same map at OUR server and see what the outcome is " Thanks for any thoughts. Edited March 7, 2013 by Damit1 coolmd and DEEJAYKEG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
pancakes Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 2395 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 800 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 217 Achievement Points: 5471 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 07/22/1994 Device: Windows Share Posted March 7, 2013 Lately ive been getting owned by the iglas/stingers my ecm's seem to have no effect on them no matter when i set them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WalkingDead Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 4002 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 59 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 27 Achievement Points: 438 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 20, 2015 Birthday: 01/14/1983 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Lately ive been getting owned by the iglas/stingers my ecm's seem to have no effect on them no matter when i set them off Same here. Not sure if I have been flying more or if the stingers are just getting more popular again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEEJAYKEG Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.14 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 A general BF3 question, not specific to XI servers, but aimed at those who are experienced in the air and trying to down jets and choppers with the IGLA and Stinger. I am aware that there is an ECM perk employed by those pilots who have unlocked it. From the ground this appears to be puffs of smoke around the aircraft (or have I got that wrong?) Yuuup! If an IGLA/Stinger is within range of an airborne jet, are there any other legitimate circumstances in which one would be unable to get a lock? I have found if you " Q " them you may get a lock sooner then later. If the plane/heli has stealth it will take an extra couple seconds to lock. (smaller lock - shoot window) They could (but I doubt) have the vehicle equipped with "proximity scan " just like the tanks. I dont know any one that uses it except when they first get the perk. Most of us, have filed that perk. Secondly, are there any legitimate perks employed by pilots that would permit them to home in on a concealed enemy or, when this happens, should one suspect some form of cheating? Are you playing softcore? anyone on the other team " Q's " you the whole team will know your there...all the pilot does is turns around and badabing....there you are...nightly night I reiterate that these questions have resulted from experiences on a non-XI server on which no players who frequent our clan's were present (as a player of low abilities, I am used to being "pwned" by Level 100 Colonels but a 15-69 kdr is pretty bad even for me!). Wow what determination, I would have accidentally kicked the plug of my pc outa the wall before that game ended. lol So the question remains is it your tactics or the pilots? I say " employ the same tactics on same map at OUR server and see what the outcome is " Thanks for any thoughts. Thanks for the offerings, Damit. I guess you could be right about the spotting as it wasn't hardcore. My team was actually winning comfortably as we were concentrating on capturing flags whilst the opposition were flying around overhead but lots of players bailed and the game swung around. You know how it goes with "rape from the air"? I hung on in there as I was intent on ranking up before bedtime. The trouble was that bedtime didn't happen till the game ended just after 0500 GMT! Damit1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BeerGoat Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 2923 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 15 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1246 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 294 Achievement Points: 8374 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 03/20/1976 Device: Windows Share Posted March 7, 2013 I need to play more. xCaliber 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
iEvil Posted March 7, 2013 Member ID: 111 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 44 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 425 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 175 Achievement Points: 2934 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 4 Birthday: 07/12/1971 Device: Android Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not sure it works for stingers/Iglas but it most times work in helo/aircraft when shooting down other air's. Aim with air to air missiles, get the lock, shoot, then quickly change weapons, as the beeping lock sound in the aircraft stops, however the missiles still flies to target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damit1 Posted March 8, 2013 Member ID: 1188 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 258 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1692 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 1355 Achievement Points: 15036 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 21 Device: Android Share Posted March 8, 2013 Lately ive been getting owned by the iglas/stingers my ecm's seem to have no effect on them no matter when i set them off If you spend anytime shooting the Igla, you will notice you can shoot just before you get the "lock and launch tone". So I'm betting that they half launched before you(in aircraft ) have heard the tone. Use your ecm often even if you dont think you need it passing over targets. Besides that it will make you dissapear from radar and if you were spoted before, you will not after. WalkingDead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
pancakes Posted March 8, 2013 Member ID: 2395 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 800 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 217 Achievement Points: 5471 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 07/22/1994 Device: Windows Share Posted March 8, 2013 Lately ive been getting owned by the iglas/stingers my ecm's seem to have no effect on them no matter when i set them off If you spend anytime shooting the Igla, you will notice you can shoot just before you get the "lock and launch tone". So I'm betting that they half launched before you(in aircraft ) have heard the tone. Use your ecm often even if you dont think you need it passing over targets. Besides that it will make you dissapear from radar and if you were spoted before, you will not after. i use it on the 1st beep and then dive down below radar incase its a heli or jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
xCaliber Posted March 9, 2013 Member ID: 142 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 30 Topic Count: 277 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1986 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 288 Achievement Points: 13866 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 25, 2014 Birthday: 05/01/1985 Share Posted March 9, 2013 In order to lock jets, first you have to start locking to them when there are coming to your directions, if he got ecm, he should it when he is being locked, So your first one will be missed and shoot the second one right after when he got nothing to defend against your rocket and when he is going away from you and still in the range of igla/stinger ( but you need to be quick in the 2nd one). If he is noob pilot and he doesnt use ecm ahead of time means ( he already got locked and shot on him and then he uses his ecm ) You will get sometimes hit on him.. ( ECM sometimes works and sometimes doesn't work in this situations) To use ECM, you need to use it 1st second when you are being locked.. do not wait till they launch their stinger or igla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pancakes Posted March 10, 2013 Member ID: 2395 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 800 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 217 Achievement Points: 5471 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 07/22/1994 Device: Windows Share Posted March 10, 2013 In order to lock jets, first you have to start locking to them when there are coming to your directions, if he got ecm, he should it when he is being locked, So your first one will be missed and shoot the second one right after when he got nothing to defend against your rocket and when he is going away from you and still in the range of igla/stinger ( but you need to be quick in the 2nd one). If he is noob pilot and he doesnt use ecm ahead of time means ( he already got locked and shot on him and then he uses his ecm ) You will get sometimes hit on him.. ( ECM sometimes works and sometimes doesn't work in this situations) To use ECM, you need to use it 1st second when you are being locked.. do not wait till they launch their stinger or igla i do use my ecm the second i hear im being locked and they still hit me. ive even been locked onto while my ecm is going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SMOKEMIST Posted March 12, 2013 Member ID: 3655 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 5 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 198 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 53 Achievement Points: 1538 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/19/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 17, 2014 Birthday: 09/16/1991 Share Posted March 12, 2013 i really hate using stingers iglas. i use them only when im desperate. it really is no skill weapon. in badcompany 2 we used to have something like tow missile. it actually took quite amount of skill to use it effectively. AND they buffed up the igla stingers according to the size of AK maps. which i think it is reasonable. but it gets really frusrating on maps like sharque peninsula when enemies can lock on to you pretty much regardless of where you are. even when you are already outside of the map in the chopper the y will lock on to you. and there is no escaping from it. and on gulf oman people camp on that construction tower lock on to russian aircrafts as soon as they spawn. really annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted March 13, 2013 Member ID: 4074 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 5 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 299 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 153 Achievement Points: 2072 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/02/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 18, 2014 Birthday: 07/27/1986 Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Lately ive been getting owned by the iglas/stingers my ecm's seem to have no effect on them no matter when i set them offSame here. Not sure if I have been flying more or if the stingers are just getting more popular again. I have found that when using IR flares, smoking and then evasive maneuvers gets me out of trouble. With ECM, if I smoke and then run, the jav may make it past the ECM. But if I smoke, and sit still where the countermeasures are deployed, I stand a very good chance of staying alive. i really hate using stingers iglas. i use them only when im desperate. it really is no skill weapon. in badcompany 2 we used to have something like tow missile. it actually took quite amount of skill to use it effectively. AND they buffed up the igla stingers according to the size of AK maps. which i think it is reasonable. but it gets really frusrating on maps like sharque peninsula when enemies can lock on to you pretty much regardless of where you are. even when you are already outside of the map in the chopper the y will lock on to you. and there is no escaping from it. and on gulf oman people camp on that construction tower lock on to russian aircrafts as soon as they spawn. really annoyingWhat bugged me is even if you managed to nail a huey with the TOW, the damn thing scraped by with 5% health. If there was a capable engy on board, the chopper basically ran the map, TOW or no. Edited March 13, 2013 by flashadvocate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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