DEEJAYKEG Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 1238 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted June 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, RobMc said: Hi Deejaykeg, You are correct but that was only introduced around 2005, after much reluctance and being dropped many times since mooted in 2001 as a hot potato, which makes anyone in their teens and over likely not to have done this test, their parents certainly may not speak English, especially the women, there are many articles on this subject by womens rights campaigners. On policemen being armed, I don't know where you get those figures from as they just ain't true mate, and believe me the ones I know, although reluctantly, carry guns on a regular basis, true they are not permanently armed but they are not far removed if necessary. I don't want to say more as you never know who reads this not that I know any more than the average Joe, but reading my local papers gives you enough info. Sorry about the melodrama, but it amazes me how many documentaries are on telly showing us the tricks , weapons and tactics of special forces and police, now is the time to stop these being made and the bad boy prepared for them., it certainly doesn't do much for their safety. If I remember correctly Manchester was the first city to have permanent armed patrols in a certain famous section about 10-15 years ago, it will come, reluctantly but through necessity, we will have to lose many good policemen until politicians can no longer ignore it, but it will come. Rob, I served 30 years - unarmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 09:38 AM Device: Windows Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DEEJAYKEG said: Rob, I served 30 years - unarmed! You didn't have Islamic terrorists running all over London killing people did you, if they asked the people of this country if they want our Police armed and the death penalty returned i am sure it would be a foregone conclusion. Edited June 6, 2017 by Sonovabich Spartacus and RobMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEEJAYKEG Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 1238 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just now, Sonovabich said: You didn't have Islamic terrorists running all over London killing people did you. No, in the 1980/90s, we had Irish Republican terrorists blowing up children out shopping for Mothers' Day cards and setting off huge truck and car bombs across the place. I recall the Harrods attack that killed police and members of the public. Then there was Bishopsgate... (image: Spitalsfield Life ) Terrorism is not a new phenomenon - this country has lived with it for decades and, I fear, will do so for decades still. We need calm heads and resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
RobMc Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 25355 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 31 Topic Count: 257 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5785 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 9114 Achievement Points: 63248 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 132 Joined: 12/14/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 01/05/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted June 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, DEEJAYKEG said: Rob, I served 30 years - unarmed! I'd guessed that me old son, but times do move on, the younger policemen have a different mindset now, they too are worried and not unnaturally want to come home to their families, these are not baddies as we knew them, these people are quite happy to commit suicide for their cause, and their favourite targets are police and servicemen - currently defenceless. I know we have a few ex USA police officers on our forum and would be interested to hear their comments, they have more experience than us, may I remind you of that poor policeman in Belgium, who was armed but was down, they casually walked up to him and finished him off. I too think it a sad day, and sincerely hope you are right, but I can think of no other way to confront armed baddies than better armed policemen, ultimately they need to keep themselves safe and secure to keep the rest of us secure, and that my friend is what it's all about at the end of the day. Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMc Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 25355 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 31 Topic Count: 257 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5785 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 9114 Achievement Points: 63248 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 132 Joined: 12/14/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 01/05/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted June 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, DEEJAYKEG said: No, in the 1980/90s, we had Irish Republican terrorists blowing up children out shopping for Mothers' Day cards and setting off huge truck and car bombs across the place. I recall the Harrods attack that killed police and members of the public. Then there was Bishopsgate... (image: Spitalsfield Life ) Terrorism is not a new phenomenon - this country has lived with it for decades and, I fear, will do so for decades still. We need calm heads and resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMc Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 25355 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 31 Topic Count: 257 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5785 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 9114 Achievement Points: 63248 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 132 Joined: 12/14/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 01/05/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted June 6, 2017 Yep and what did we do, gave in and made them MP's and gave a pardon? some resolve we have, on our track record parliament will finally be blown up not by Guy Fawkes 2, but by the honourable member from Chiswick accidentally detonating their suicide vest lol! Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 09:38 AM Device: Windows Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DEEJAYKEG said: No, in the 1980/90s, we had Irish Republican terrorists blowing up children out shopping for Mothers' Day cards and setting off huge truck and car bombs across the place. I recall the Harrods attack that killed police and members of the public. Then there was Bishopsgate... (image: Spitalsfield Life ) Terrorism is not a new phenomenon - this country has lived with it for decades and, I fear, will do so for decades still. We need calm heads and resolve. As i said there wasn't Islamic Terrorists running all over London with foot long knives and bombs strapped to themselves ready to kill any innocent person in the vicinity, the IRA were different they were planting bombs and getting out of the area before they went off, can't recall them running around with foot long knives and mowing people down in trucks, if that Policeman at the houses of parliament was carrying a gun a couple of months ago he would be alive now, it's different world now to how it was in the 1970's and 80's, it think we have had calm heads for too long, we don't want to be friends with these bastards and make them nice boys again. Edited June 6, 2017 by Sonovabich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEEJAYKEG Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 1238 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 minute ago, RobMc said: I'd guessed that me old son, but times do move on, the younger policemen have a different mindset now, they too are worried and not unnaturally want to come home to their families, these are not baddies as we knew them, these people are quite happy to commit suicide for their cause, and their favourite targets are police and servicemen - currently defenceless. I know we have a few ex USA police officers on our forum and would be interested to hear their comments, they have more experience than us, may I remind you of that poor policeman in Belgium, who was armed but was down, they casually walked up to him and finished him off. I too think it a sad day, and sincerely hope you are right, but I can think of no other way to confront armed baddies than better armed policemen, ultimately they need to keep themselves safe and secure to keep the rest of us secure, and that my friend is what it's all about at the end of the day. I can assure you that my daily ambition was to return home! My misses was scared s***less by the unannounced arrival of PCs at her workplace one day when I was on duty. I dispute the assertion that US police officers have "more experience" - they have a different experience. The police police this country by consent. They are not employees of the state but warranted officers of The Crown. We all recognise(d) that there is/was a risk that police would pay the ultimate sacrifice whilst performing their duty. However, whilst one may be provided with personal protection equipment, risk cannot be entirely removed. I am pleased and relieved that the innocent member of the public wounded by police gunfire in London did not suffer serious injury (but I would not like to be the officer that pulled the trigger... IPCC investigation??). Let the default remain unarmed with the backup provided by specialists. RobMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 1238 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted June 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sonovabich said: As i said there wasn't Islamic Terrorists running all over London with foot long knives and bombs strapped to themselves ready to kill any innocent person in the vicinity, the IRA was different they were planting bombs and getting out of the area before they went off, can't recall them running around with foot long knives and mowing people down in trucks, if that Policeman at the houses of parliament was carrying a gun a couple of months ago he would be alive now, it's different world now to how it was in the 1970's and 80's, it think we have had calm heads for too long, we don't want to be friends with these bastards and make them nice boys again. Calm yourself... They're not "all over London". Even the tourists recognise that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 1238 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted June 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, RobMc said: Yep and what did we do, gave in and made them MP's and gave a pardon? some resolve we have, on our track record parliament will finally be blown up not by Guy Fawkes 2, but by the honourable member from Chiswick accidentally detonating their suicide vest lol! Unlikely, I'd say - Chiswick hasn't had its own MP since 1997... I can think of one prominent politician who seems to have spent a while chatting to people like this, though... (Oh well, that's this thread headed off to Politics now!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
RobMc Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 25355 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 31 Topic Count: 257 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5785 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 9114 Achievement Points: 63248 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 132 Joined: 12/14/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 01/05/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted June 6, 2017 1 hour ago, DEEJAYKEG said: Unlikely, I'd say - Chiswick hasn't had its own MP since 1997... I can think of one prominent politician who seems to have spent a while chatting to people like this, though... (Oh well, that's this thread headed off to Politics now!) Chiswick was the only place I could think of, and of course we all know the 'man' you're referring to, although surprisingly he now denies all knowledge, must have Alzheimers? god forbid he gets in, we'll definitely be in trouble then. Sonovabich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted June 6, 2017 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 09:38 AM Device: Windows Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DEEJAYKEG said: Calm yourself... They're not "all over London". Even the tourists recognise that! Don't tell me to calm myself, you are not a Copper now, what did you to do to bad guys kiss them and stroke their fucking egos....this is what's wrong with our country do gooders everywhere you turn, strange you ain't voting for Corbyn. Edited June 6, 2017 by Sonovabich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted June 7, 2017 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14881 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91060 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted June 7, 2017 The reality is terrorism has become the systematic weapon of war. There are no borders to cross and rarely does it have a face. It doesn't form an army and there are no rules. All they wish to do is destroy our way of life. I have no doubt that London and the UK will never bend to this type of tyranny. It's about time we root out these individuals once and for all, and I emphasize individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
RobMc Posted June 7, 2017 Member ID: 25355 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 31 Topic Count: 257 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5785 Content Per Day: 2.15 Reputation: 9114 Achievement Points: 63248 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 132 Joined: 12/14/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10 Birthday: 01/05/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, PimpedOutPete said: The reality is terrorism has become the systematic weapon of war. There are no borders to cross and rarely does it have a face. It doesn't form an army and there are no rules. All they wish to do is destroy our way of life. I have no doubt that London and the UK will never bend to this type of tyranny. It's about time we root out these individuals once and for all, and I emphasize individuals. Unfortunately Pete we already have - 'I have no doubt that London and the UK will never bend to this type of tyranny' - if you read the previous posts you will see we did exactly that with the IRA, who were supported in money and arms from your side of the water, as people mistakenly thought of them as 'freedom fighters'. I was once in a bar in New York when they came round with a bucket collecting for them at the height of the troubles, we made exactly the same mistakes with them that that we are making now with one exception, in the end we interred the worst ones. Then, as now, we knew each individual, but now they have a new law protecting them, 'Human Rights', believe me the worst law any civilised country ever introduced for protecting criminals. So as history dictates our civilisation will collapse through weakness as others did before us, we are at the start of it, any weakness or appeasment strengthens the oppressor, the very basic thing every kid learns with any bully. So the die has been set, it has been proven that terrorism triumphs in the end, and most of you are probably quite unaware this has happened in Western society, as far as I'm aware we are the only European country to have capitulated to terrorist acts. Deejaykeg pointed out that we both lived through bloodshed and terrible atrocities to the same innocent people who now suffer, including non combatitive women and children, but this never seemed to register with people outside the UK, possibly because it never affected their country. Now it is different, it affects everywhere, so people are more aware, but it is the same rhetoric, the same tactics and the same mindset, we have been at war with someone forever in the UK, this lot are just the latest. To me it is very very simple, anyone who does not want to 'join in' with us either leaves or is jailed, or if proven to have committed offences executed (shock/horror from the liberals) that way they don't come back and we have no costs, they choose. I remember a picture a long time ago (quite famous at the time) of an Israeli beauty contest, each of the girls had a machine gun on their shoulder, are we coming to that? I fear we are. Edited June 7, 2017 by RobMc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted June 7, 2017 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14881 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91060 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted June 7, 2017 Hey Rob, maybe you look that to literally. What I meant is regardless what happens, London and UK will endure. Prime example is with all that happened, this guy still took the time to grab is pint. Thats balls U.K... kudos! At RobMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sweatnbullets Posted June 7, 2017 Member ID: 213 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 11 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 517 Achievement Points: 5644 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 14 Birthday: 06/06/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted June 7, 2017 Sad Deal, but truthfully, it will never end when a religion and its leaders keep calling for Jihad. Listen to Harvard Students debate this issue, not an Idiot..Click link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted June 8, 2017 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14881 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91060 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted June 8, 2017 This forum has gone from a good dialog to a question of religion. This is something this clan has always tried to steer clear of. It's best we not go there and remain away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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