Chrisbot2k Posted March 21, 2018 Member ID: 26920 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Achievement Points: 31 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 There needs to be a set rule on spawn killing. Currently you just get banned by an admin sometimes and other times you don't. Also there is admins who spawn kill too but there is nothing a regular player can do. Souleater 1
FearMe.Not Posted March 21, 2018 Member ID: 25403 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 25 Achievement Points: 247 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/27/16 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2019 Posted March 21, 2018 interesting Could we have a biting my tongue emoji? Evil-Monkey , Souleater and Chips Ahoy 1 2
Evil-Monkey Posted March 21, 2018 Member ID: 221 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 11 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1865 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 751 Achievement Points: 12313 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 17 Birthday: 06/10/1967 Device: iPhone Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 1st thanks for the post. 2nd the rule is excessive spawn killing is not allowed. in other words if it is round after round you will be kicked. I am not the one that banned you I would get with the admin that banned you and plead the case. then go from there. you also need to make a Ban Appeal. Edited March 21, 2018 by Evil-Monkey Souleater 1 Awards
Barron Posted March 21, 2018 Member ID: 20987 Group: +++ Insurgency Head Admin Followers: 21 Topic Count: 191 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1799 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 1788 Achievement Points: 14358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 23 Birthday: 01/09/1996 Device: Windows Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chrisbot2k said: There needs to be a set rule on spawn killing. Currently you just get banned by an admin sometimes and other times you don't. Also there is admins who spawn kill too but there is nothing a regular player can do. GMO is who banned you. He gave you warnings earlier in the game which you went ahead and ignored him You were giving a 1hr temp ban by GMO, it wasn't a permanent ban. Edited March 21, 2018 by Barron3000 Awards
unagi_pie Posted September 13, 2018 Member ID: 26736 Group: ++ Insurgency Admin Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 22 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 151 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 14, 2022 Birthday: 07/07/1987 Posted September 13, 2018 Hey guys. You still need to define what excessive means. It seems that different admin have different ideas about that. It should be more clearly defined so it can be more consistently enforced. Souleater 1 Awards
_derXos_ Posted September 13, 2018 Member ID: 26697 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 9 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 180 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1285 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/10/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 27, 2020 Posted September 13, 2018 What I consider to be excessive spawn killing is when you do not give the opposing team a chance to move more than a couple of steps. By that I mean that they don't have a slightest chance of providing any kind of resistance (shooting back or ducking for cover). IED's C4 and RPG in the spawn clearly qualify, and also "exploiting" some map's possible weakness (Market for example), where you take a position and gun down people after they take a few steps. I made my bones in COD 5 and that is the rule we follow there. Don't shoot someone who can't shoot back (because they just spawned). Now I give warnings because I can't ban people, only kick, but some people really push it. I also realize that sometimes people do gun down others really close to the spawn (myself included) because things can sometimes get heated, but when warned or just alerted to that fact, they quit doing that. But there are others on the other hand that do not abide by this rule and need a kick in the ass sometimes That's my position Barron 1
Barron Posted September 13, 2018 Member ID: 20987 Group: +++ Insurgency Head Admin Followers: 21 Topic Count: 191 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1799 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 1788 Achievement Points: 14358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 23 Birthday: 01/09/1996 Device: Windows Posted September 13, 2018 This is an old topic but anyway Derxos brought up a good point or two. It's all down to peoples map knowledge too We typically ban people after bring warned and continue spawn killing. The rule stats when joining the servers "No Excessive spawnkilling over numerous of rounds" If an admin tells you to stop after 1 or 2 attempts and you go ahead and ignore them your out Awards
_derXos_ Posted September 13, 2018 Member ID: 26697 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 9 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 180 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1285 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/10/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 27, 2020 Posted September 13, 2018 Holy shit I didn't even notice the date on the posts
_derXos_ Posted September 13, 2018 Member ID: 26697 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 9 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 180 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 115 Achievement Points: 1285 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/10/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 27, 2020 Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Barron3000 said: This is an old topic but anyway Derxos brought up a good point or two. It's all down to peoples map knowledge too We typically ban people after bring warned and continue spawn killing. The rule stats when joining the servers "No Excessive spawnkilling over numerous of rounds" If an admin tells you to stop after 1 or 2 attempts and you go ahead and ignore them your out Holy shit I didn't even notice the date on the posts Edited September 13, 2018 by _derXos_
Guest Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 It is a hard topic. In other games like Black Squad, battle mode I have faced this phenomenon as one puts century gun middle of spawn. Then they camp waiting. But there is a little limit when you can kill spawned in there. I think 10 seconds. Insurgency is bit different because you just get some waves and so there is more little chance to win. I do get that it is more important to take a care that they got even slight a chance.
unagi_pie Posted October 22, 2018 Member ID: 26736 Group: ++ Insurgency Admin Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 22 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 11 Achievement Points: 151 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 14, 2022 Birthday: 07/07/1987 Posted October 22, 2018 Old topic, but still relevant. From my experience, a lot of the frustration comes from the vague definition of 'excessive' and the misconceptions around what constitutes spawn killing. So, I thought I should offer a potential concrete definition: Excessive: spawn killing more than once once per round. I think there is probably a good argument for either one. Ultimately, a spawn kill is the reward you get for pushing through enemy lines and getting near spawn. It is also the punishment for allowing someone to break your line. However, spawn kills can be really frustrating for newer players. One spawn kill isn't so bad, but repeated spawn kills can ruin the fun of the game. There is another issue around spawn killing that doesn't get talked about very often: it changes the tactics of a given map. For example, for the B objective on Revolt, you should to have someone in construction yard to watch for spawn killers seeking around right flank. This is not immediately obvious to anyone but seasoned players. So, to make the game more fun for newer players (who far outnumber the veterans) the penalty for not knowing these routes should be lessened. Thus, a limit on once per round will make the game more enjoyable for newcomers, while retaining an incentive for more advanced players to aggressively push through enemy lines on both offense and defense. Spawn killing: killing players before they have a chance to commit to particular lane Let me know what you think Awards
Guest Posted October 23, 2018 Posted October 23, 2018 To me it is simply part of the game and how it is build. Example Black squad that I play this happens often when you are in death match, cause there is no limit to players. Destruction mode you can instal sentry gun and some times enemy does it to the others spawn and it take while that it is gone/destroyed. It did first annoyed, bu now I am used to it
Souleater Posted October 26, 2018 Member ID: 26965 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 31 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 20 Achievement Points: 345 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/05/18 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2023 Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) In my case, I prefer playing competitively and for the points system, so I like winning. Anyways, the art of spawnkilling is very risky; you have to have a lot of map knowledge and know where the "blind spots" are. Even then, you have a high chance of having a wave spawned on you, being spotted and killed, or losing the objective. So I often look the other way when it happens once or twice, because spawnkilling for the top players means high rewards but high risk. There hasn't been a single person in the !top10 who hasn't spawnkilled at least once. Like @Barron3000 and what I've talked with @Chips Ahoyis that you get banned if you still spawnkilled despite being warned. However, what I feel like needs to be addressed now is that if a admin is playing on a team, and someone on their team spawnkills excessively, than what happens is that the admin is often alive and doesn't notice that the player is spawnkilling excessively and thus its ignored until someone brings it up, often too late. I feel like we can fix this by having either 1. Having a admin in spectator mode for a set time and be compensated 2. Making a reliable report system by tracking the gameme system and seeing whose getting way too many points through spawnkilling or 3. Have 2 admins on each servers on each team to have a unbiased decision. I think #2 is the best way in theory, but we'll have to see. @unagi_piewhile having a concrete definition is good, how many players do you think are actually going to read the definition and apply it instead of ignore and continue, then play the ignorance card? ("Well I didn't know") Edited October 26, 2018 by Souleater Awards
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