Sammy Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted September 29, 2015 I dont really need it because while I dont like the fan noise most of it is due to the cpu fan. Which is a decent one but several year old. Likely needs to be replaced and probably much quieter ones are now available. However I would think by now there would be a way to actually protect components from leaks. Even bad ones. Yes I know all the 'unlikely to happen' answers but it doesnt answer the question. Best practices makes it prudent to assume that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. How would you actually protect everything from a bad leak so they arent touched by the liquid thus destroying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm not a fan of liquid cooling mostly because of the gratuitous cost. However, I would think that you would want to buy a dielectric coolant instead of using water. A proper dielectric won't damage anything when it leaks. WiZiD, hxtr, Damage_inc- and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I didnt think about that. Looked it up and it seems the good stuff isnt exactly cheap. Too expensive for those consumer sealed coolers. I assume its non toxic also. Maybe someday if I ever build one that would be the stuff to get to ease my concerns. Thx. eidolonFIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BUDMAN Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 800 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 152 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6957 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 4500 Achievement Points: 58358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/27/09 Status: Online Last Seen: Just now Birthday: 05/29/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted September 29, 2015 I use the hyper 212 evo .... does the job on Intel 4790 k .... eidolonFIRE and hxtr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I basically have an older version of this. I just seem to remember it being quieter but maybe that is just me. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I use the hyper 212 evo .... does the job on Intel 4790 k .... same... BUDMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDMAN Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 800 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 152 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6957 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 4500 Achievement Points: 58358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/27/09 Status: Online Last Seen: Just now Birthday: 05/29/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted September 29, 2015 @@Sammy depends on your settings..... if i turn mine all the way up yes I hear it..... but it cools nicely at slower speeds eidolonFIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted September 29, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 29, 2015 imho, water cooling is only worth the risk and $$$ if you are overclocking. I don't go water cooled because I don't see the point in overclocking. The performance benefit depreciates as the power consumption increases. The CPU is often not the bottle-neck of the system anyway. Overclocking it is a waste of power and you risk everything by having an unstable system prone to issues down the road. BUDMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 I tried the speed fan app and it didnt control the cpu cooler. It did one, according to the control panel, but not sure which. Might pick up one of those front panel fan controllers with the dials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SupaDupa Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 20988 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 29 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 317 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 310 Achievement Points: 2300 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2017 Birthday: 10/16/1980 Share Posted September 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SPbV76zng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYMX73XsDw eidolonFIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidolonFIRE Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 30, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SPbV76zng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYMX73XsDw great coolers for swampy nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireurza Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted September 30, 2015 imho, water cooling is only worth the risk and $$$ if you are overclocking. I don't go water cooled because I don't see the point in overclocking. The performance benefit depreciates as the power consumption increases. The CPU is often not the bottle-neck of the system anyway. Overclocking it is a waste of power and you risk everything by having an unstable system prone to issues down the road. Water cooling will help the system last longer if you dont overclock. Especially if you water cool the gpu, bridge, ram, and cpu.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
fireurza Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted September 30, 2015 I am looking to phase cool next NostradewmusXI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SupaDupa Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 20988 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 29 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 317 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 310 Achievement Points: 2300 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2017 Birthday: 10/16/1980 Share Posted September 30, 2015 By then the gaming rig components will be antiquated. Keeping them in mint fit resale perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidolonFIRE Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Water cooling will help the system last longer if you dont overclock. Especially if you water cool the gpu, bridge, ram, and cpu.... How so? A sufficient air cooler will keep the components well below any damaging level of heat. If anything, the increased risk of a coolant leak will on average shorten the life of your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiZiD Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted September 30, 2015 http://www.xtremeidiots.com/gallery/image/2627-newpc-39/ My rig. CPU, northbridge,southbridge, and both video cards. Overclocked to 5 gig on the CPU... Screaming fast..hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
NostradewmusXI Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 47 Group: +++ Minecraft Head Admin Followers: 13 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 664 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 469 Achievement Points: 5354 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 13 Birthday: 10/13/1983 Device: Windows Share Posted September 30, 2015 http://www.xtremeidiots.com/gallery/image/2627-newpc-39/ My rig. CPU, northbridge,southbridge, and both video cards. Overclocked to 5 gig on the CPU... Screaming fast..hehehe thats awesome. i want to do something like that soon. i probably wont overclock my cpu though. with everything running,(Games, chrome 8-10 tabs, OSB, overwolf, and teamspeak. my cpu still only gets up to like 30% usage. so i should be good for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 By now I would think someone would have invented processors that can run at very high heats with minimal or no cooling required and materials that will absorb heat but not burn you when you touch it. Such things are around for other purposes but very expensive and fragile. They are also old technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted September 30, 2015 By now I would think someone would have invented processors that can run at very high heats with minimal or no cooling required and materials that will absorb heat but not burn you when you touch it. Such things are around for other purposes but very expensive and fragile. They are also old technology. The chip inherently heats up as tons of power is being pumped through it and it has some resistance hence the heat generation. If the heat is not expelled in some way it will continue to heat up indefinitely. What do you mean by materials that will absorb heat? ... all materials are capable of conducting heat as a perfect energy insulator doesn't exist. Copper is one of the best heat conductors we know of followed closely by aluminum. If you think about it, our current processors are actually rather impressive and hold up in heat very well. 200F is the typical failing point before the gates stop functioning and the chip is non-functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 I mean a material that will absorb the heat itself away from chips or cores or whatever. Something that will absorb a huge amount of heat without failing or melting. Nor getting hot to the touch. I suppose like how sealed ice packs work. They absorb the heat from the outside water, which in turn melts the ice as it goes, but it never gets hot itself. But if the melting point of the material is extremely high, far higher than a processor could ever get over time, then it would continually absorb it. Yes nothing is that simple and it's just a laymans idea not an engineers idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted September 30, 2015 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 296 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4479 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3643 Achievement Points: 36580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 40 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted September 30, 2015 with water cooling your going to get the best cooling and clocks imho plus quitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted October 1, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I mean a material that will absorb the heat itself away from chips or cores or whatever. Something that will absorb a huge amount of heat without failing or melting. Nor getting hot to the touch. I suppose like how sealed ice packs work. They absorb the heat from the outside water, which in turn melts the ice as it goes, but it never gets hot itself. But if the melting point of the material is extremely high, far higher than a processor could ever get over time, then it would continually absorb it. Yes nothing is that simple and it's just a laymans idea not an engineers idea. You're describing a heat capacitor... You could try that with liquid nitrogen or just a giant bucket of water. However, it doesn't matter how big your heat capacitor is, eventually it's going to fill up and it will get hot as well. You could also use a peltier device to pull away the heat (as many people have done this with CPUs). The drawback however is that the device consumes 60watts itself and a large chunk of that goes into heating the hot side of the device resulting in gratuitous amounts of heat to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireurza Posted October 1, 2015 Member ID: 677 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1457 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 791 Achievement Points: 9890 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 11/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16 Birthday: 02/20/1986 Device: Windows Share Posted October 1, 2015 How so? A sufficient air cooler will keep the components well below any damaging level of heat. If anything, the increased risk of a coolant leak will on average shorten the life of your computer. Air coolers do not work as well as you would think. They do not cool uniformly nor do they cool as rapidly as needed to maintain a temp below what is needed to prevent all heat stress in materials. I am constantly replacing non water cooled parts in the servers I work on but the same parts that are water cooled get replaced 1/3 as often. Less heat even if the heat is only 40 C is less stress. I mean a material that will absorb the heat itself away from chips or cores or whatever. Something that will absorb a huge amount of heat without failing or melting. Nor getting hot to the touch. I suppose like how sealed ice packs work. They absorb the heat from the outside water, which in turn melts the ice as it goes, but it never gets hot itself. But if the melting point of the material is extremely high, far higher than a processor could ever get over time, then it would continually absorb it. Yes nothing is that simple and it's just a laymans idea not an engineers idea. Have you looked at what they were doing with graphene and new age processors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SupaDupa Posted October 1, 2015 Member ID: 20988 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 29 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 317 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 310 Achievement Points: 2300 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 21, 2017 Birthday: 10/16/1980 Share Posted October 1, 2015 If we are speaking of a gaming rig,this is a prime example of why liquid cooling is not needed. Logic. Back to basics. Remember,liquid does not disperse HOT AIR. Ambient temp bro. Ambient air.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh6F2eccMec eidolonFIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidolonFIRE Posted October 1, 2015 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Air coolers do not work as well as you would think. They do not cool uniformly nor do they cool as rapidly as needed to maintain a temp below what is needed to prevent all heat stress in materials. I am constantly replacing non water cooled parts in the servers I work on but the same parts that are water cooled get replaced 1/3 as often. Less heat even if the heat is only 40 C is less stress. Server blades are a far cry from home PC's; they aren't even remotely similar. Air and liquid setups are VASTLY different between home consumer and blade servers. For starters, air cooled blade servers have tiny wimpy heat sinks with 2 inch fans that scream at full power around the clock regardless of load. The air setups we are comparing in home PC's aren't even on the same planet from the cheap'es they put in blade servers. If you spec'd out the a good air cooler for your cpu, it should keep a fully loaded cpu well below damaging levels running at 70% rpm. Also, the liquid heat exchangers and the bases for air heatsinks are similar in size. They both are larger than the cpu contact footprint. They have very similar "spread" and cool plenty even enough. Copper and aluminum are very heat conductive; there's no issue with "cooling evenly" bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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