HarryWeezer Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 7655 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 7232 Achievement Points: 53682 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 So a pervert in the Penn State football program molests young boys, is convicted, and others with knowledge of his abuses are under indictment. That should be the end of that story. But now comes the NCAA, an association of college sport programs which otherwise has no authority over Penn State or any other university, "ordering" Penn State to create a $60 million endowment for child sexual abuse programs, and vacating the past 14 years of victories by the school's football team. In effect, Pennsylvania taxpayers are being punished to the tune of $60 million because a pervert ran amok in the locker rooms. And kids who played their hearts out on the Penn State football field for 14 years are being stripped of their victories and honors. The taxpayers of Pennsylvania are being punished, and 14 years of former football players are being punished, for something they had nothing to do with. Does that make any sense to you? Penn State should tell the NCAA to pound sand, refuse the "fine," abolish football, and focus on educating students. Spartacus and BigPapaDean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damage_inc- Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 2048 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 294 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 6689 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 4709 Achievement Points: 48999 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/15/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) yes.child molestation isn't like getting beat up in one occurrence it ruins lives and can lead to more of the same.There was a thorough investigation which showed many covered this up and knew about this and chose to let this happen including joe for years.They should be completely embarrassed and pay that 60 million plus to the victims whom lives they have ruined ..Just hope that never happens to your grandchildren. Edited July 25, 2012 by Damage_inc- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 7655 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 7232 Achievement Points: 53682 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) yes.child molestation isn't like getting beat up in one occurrence it runs lives and can lead to more of the same.There was a thorough investigation which showed many covered this up and knew about this and chose to let this happen including joe for years.They should be completely embarrassed and pay that 60 million plus to the victims whom lives they have ruined ..Just hope that never happens to your grandchildren. I made my point and you made your's. All well and good. Any claims against the school by victims should be handled through the legal process in civil suits, which I have no doubt will follow. It should be up to courts, not the NCAA, to determine those damages. As to the reference to my grandchildren, you can go fuck yourself!!! Edited July 24, 2012 by SgtHarryWeezer BigPapaDean and Bogleg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
loaderXI Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 252 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 71 Topic Count: 394 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 6429 Content Per Day: 1.16 Reputation: 6528 Achievement Points: 54505 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 31 Joined: 09/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26 Birthday: 03/22/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 I could,nt say it better Harry....Just dont make sense to punish those not needing punished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
billyblade Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 34 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 47 Topic Count: 182 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2097 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 1003 Achievement Points: 14880 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12, 2018 Birthday: 04/29/1966 Share Posted July 24, 2012 ah dunno...the people at the top of the Penn state ladder should be punished. In covering up child molestation to protect a cronie was reprehensible, and they are complicit. No action against what was done is condoning the act. This was not fraud, or theft...IT WAS CHILD MOLESTATION AND THEY IGNORED IT TO PROTECT THIS ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Paterno and the heads of the university should have acted swiftly at the mere hint of such an aggregious act, instead of being culpable in the cover up...despicable behavior on all their parts. They should be lucky that the university is still open. I do feel bad for the student body, but not the ones who defend Paterno. He fucked up....PERIOD!!! Damage_inc- and Unchileno 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CobraBites Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted July 24, 2012 the officials in charge should be the ones that pay for this not the shcool itself...taxpayers shouldnt have to pay for it period...i believe that harry is correct in saying that ncaa shouldnt have no bearing on this action they have placed on the shcool the football program and taxpayers had no bearing on what took place..it should be left up to the courts not the ncaa.. BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogleg Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 907 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 I'm a (or was?) a Penn State fan, and I'm very much still on the fence on this, but I am inclined to agree with you, Harry. I'm still thinking about it. BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Spartacus Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 1387 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 30 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2540 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 2485 Achievement Points: 19552 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/02/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4 Birthday: 06/05/1968 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 It's The Penn. Taxpayers Who Get Punished? Total BS. I'm With Harry.... BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14914 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 7883 Achievement Points: 91363 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 52 minutes ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted July 24, 2012 The punishment is justified. The Penn state football program knew of this and tried to keep it covered. If you nurture this type conduct, then what stops others from trying to cover up such terrible crimes. The 60 million dollar fine is equivalent to one years income from the football program, which will be used to help victims.. Is that such a terrible thing? In serval years, this will be Forgotten by most but the families and victims who will never forget. billyblade and Damage_inc- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 20166 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 7655 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 7232 Achievement Points: 53682 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) The punishment is justified. The Penn state football program knew of this and tried to keep it covered. If you nurture this type conduct, then what stops others from trying to cover up such terrible crimes. The 60 million dollar fine is equivalent to one years income from the football program, which will be used to help victims.. Is that such a terrible thing? In serval years, this will be Forgotten by most but the families and victims who will never forget. - The "football program" describes all individuals involved in any capacity with Penn State football. They did NOT know what was going on. A relative handful did, and they are under indictment. More indictments may come. The focus should be on those who break laws, not those who do not. - It is irrelevant where the money for the fine comes from up front. But where it comes from eventually are state residents whose tax dollars pay for colleges and universities. (I know liberals find it difficult to understand that government doesn't create wealth and only takes it from those who do - that doesn't justify robbing taxpayers of tens of millions that could be put to better use.) - As to the money being used to "help the victims," that's not all it's intended for under the NCAA's fine; irregardless, the NCAA is not a court of law and has no freakin business acting like one. The courts - juries - should determine compensation for Sandusky's victims, NOT the NCAA. Edited July 24, 2012 by SgtHarryWeezer BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14914 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 7883 Achievement Points: 91363 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 52 minutes ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted July 24, 2012 The punishment is justified. The Penn state football program knew of this and tried to keep it covered. If you nurture this type conduct, then what stops others from trying to cover up such terrible crimes. The 60 million dollar fine is equivalent to one years income from the football program, which will be used to help victims.. Is that such a terrible thing? In serval years, this will be Forgotten by most but the families and victims who will never forget. - The "football program" describes all individuals involved in any capacity with Penn State football. They did NOT know what was going on. A relative handful did, and they are under indictment. More indictments may come. The focus should be on those who break laws, not those who do not. - It is irrelevant where the money for the fine comes from up front. But where it comes from eventually are state residents whose tax dollars pay for colleges and universities. (I know liberals find it difficult to understand that government doesn't create wealth and only takes it from those who do - that doesn't justify robbing taxpayers of tens of millions that could be put to better use.) - As to the money being used to "help the victims," that's not all it's intended for under the NCAA's fine; irregardless, the NCAA is not a court of law and has no freakin business acting like one. The courts - juries - should determine compensation for Sandusky's victims, NOT the NCAA. How can the money be Irrellivent at first and then rellivent later? As for where the funds come from, as far as I know, they haven't said where, so maybe we jumping the gun. I do agree, the taxpayers of state should not accountable for this. As for the "football program".. I was only referring the individual's in charge. This situation seems very simular to what happen in New Orleans and the head hunting bounty on players. The league came down hard on the team & coaches.. As for funds for victims.. Those funds will be used to help victims of all molestation crimes. Help with education, councelling and whatever support is needed.. Not as a personal damages. Damage_inc- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 907 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted July 24, 2012 Pete, even if the $60 million comes from revenue generated by the Penn State football program, it's still $60 million off of the bottom line from a STATE FUNDED PUBLIC SCHOOL that they would have otherwise had - and therefore it comes out of taxpayer's pockets one way or the other. As far as the "Football Program" is concerned - the one argument the NCAA made that has given me pause is the one they made regarding covering up the criminal activity of one of the coaches in order to protect the football program - i.e. the football program taking precedence over the safety of children and the overall integrity of the institution. However - that being said, we have a criminal and civil court system in this country specifically to deal with criminal activity; and the non-reporting of an alleged crime by the powers that be at Penn St. IS A CRIME. If the possibility of having your career ended and facing prison time isn't enough to dissuade those that covered these heinous crimes up, why would a penalty on the football program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted July 24, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I only wish there could have been some way that the kids who play the game would not be punished for the misdeeds of their coach and administrators. I guess we just call them collateral damage like when bombs are dropped on a city during war. We can use Dresden, Germany as an example. As for Coach Joe and the administrators may they all rot in hell and suffer eternally. Edited July 24, 2012 by Shamu PimpedOutPete, Damage_inc- and WolfTiS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastColdBeer Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 489 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 552 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 4730 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 6028 Achievement Points: 41891 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 18 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 09:22 AM Birthday: 01/09/1963 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted July 25, 2012 The NCAA is a sanctioning body. Not a legal jurisdiction. There are too many hard working innocents that are being punished because of Sandusky's actions. Since when does a civilian organization claim the power to levy fines, especially on this scale. Penn State can, and will, move on from this unfortunate event. As far as the football program goes, it can fall by the wayside, temporarily or permanently. The board of directors need to decide what is important to Penn State & the college students of Pennsylvania. PimpedOutPete and BigPapaDean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14914 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 7883 Achievement Points: 91363 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 52 minutes ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted July 25, 2012 As far as Im concerned. the sanctions were in excess, but never the less justified. The NCAA should have stressed to Penn State that they should set up a fund for the any victims of molestation or else. This should have been Penn lead in good faith rather than being forced. billyblade and Damage_inc- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) One thing I have found very interesting is that the President accepted the NCAA's ruling with no discussion with the Board of Trustees. The Board of Trustees has been kept in the dark as it was with the Sandusky affair. Penn State is already repeating what got them into in the first place, ignoring important administrative parts of the university and keeping them in the dark. In a way they have already repeated the error of their ways. Perhaps as severe as the penalties are they still have not learned. Edited July 25, 2012 by Shamu TheLastColdBeer and BigPapaDean 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 632 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 47 Topic Count: 197 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1762 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 1440 Achievement Points: 18213 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/24/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 19 Birthday: 07/30/1977 Device: iPhone Share Posted July 25, 2012 yes.child molestation isn't like getting beat up in one occurrence it runs lives and can lead to more of the same.There was a thorough investigation which showed many covered this up and knew about this and chose to let this happen including joe for years.They should be completely embarrassed and pay that 60 million plus to the victims whom lives they have ruined ..Just hope that never happens to your grandchildren. 100% agree Damage_inc- and billyblade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
billyblade Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 34 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 47 Topic Count: 182 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2097 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 1003 Achievement Points: 14880 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12, 2018 Birthday: 04/29/1966 Share Posted July 25, 2012 sorry folks, but this is not just a "one off" type thing. The level of cover up and the length of time it occurred over smacks of 'CONSPIRACY" and for what...so a sick asshole could bugger young boys on the penn state premises while highly important people looked the other way so the "footballl program" could generate revenue for the school??????????? And knowing this was occurring, there should be no financial penalty because of what, the school placed priority on the law, morality, and safety of any individual on school grounds at any time? No, it's priority was money...pure and simple...greed. The school is state funded right? Well, how much money is generated by the football program? How much of that lines pockets at the top? Here in Alabama, we know for us...its a LOT!!!! i imagine Penn State not so different. So these worhtless motherfuckers who acted like child molestation was low enough on the list to keep garnering a payoff at the expense of the lives of these poor victims just sat in the booth, watching the games, looking at Sandusky on the sideleines, knowing what he had planned for the unfortunate young man he kept by his side......and counting money and smoking cigars.....and thinking to them,selcves " poor kid, glad its not one of mine.......BUT LOOK...WE SOLD OUT AGAIN...NOTHER ROUND OF BEERS BOYS?!.... Absolutely pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
billyblade Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 34 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 47 Topic Count: 182 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2097 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 1003 Achievement Points: 14880 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12, 2018 Birthday: 04/29/1966 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Pete, even if the $60 million comes from revenue generated by the Penn State football program, it's still $60 million off of the bottom line from a STATE FUNDED PUBLIC SCHOOL that they would have otherwise had - and therefore it comes out of taxpayer's pockets one way or the other. As far as the "Football Program" is concerned - the one argument the NCAA made that has given me pause is the one they made regarding covering up the criminal activity of one of the coaches in order to protect the football program - i.e. the football program taking precedence over the safety of children and the overall integrity of the institution. However - that being said, we have a criminal and civil court system in this country specifically to deal with criminal activity; and the non-reporting of an alleged crime by the powers that be at Penn St. IS A CRIME. If the possibility of having your career ended and facing prison time isn't enough to dissuade those that covered these heinous crimes up, why would a penalty on the football program? soorry boggy, in your last statement...in the end, knowing that...it wasnt a deterent, not even a close call..........and these men knew the law. Did it compel them to action? Did they uphold anything but greed in the face of it all???? Did they do anything?????? What, and lose that money in a scandal???? No way.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Then again the NCAA is another self serving organization solely concerned about the mighty dollar and not the welfare or academics of the students. While I condone what the NCAA has done to PSU but it does nothing to change my mind about the self serving motives of the NCAA. The NCAA is nothing more than a big business whose primary focus is on money, nothing more, nothing less. Edited July 25, 2012 by Shamu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPapaDean Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 1128 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 78 Topic Count: 1208 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 6548 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 4429 Achievement Points: 63617 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 02/13/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 12:27 AM Birthday: 10/21/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted July 25, 2012 As much as we all want justice and recompense the facts are still the facts. The NCAA should keep their nose out of the civil law matters and deal soley with the sports and programs involved and let the civil courts do their jobs. I believe if I was the president of the university after much contemplating tell the NCAA to fuck themselves and quit football at least for the next 4 yrs. Yes the crimes committed were horrific and degrading and many may never recover completely from the deep wounds inflicted on them, but its not the NCAA's job to determine right or wrong or compensation for such legal atrocities. Harry you probably heard me give a loud AMEN! By the response of some it's clear some doesn't understand what the NCAA really does and should be sued for over stepping their boundaries in this matter. If by no one else by the state of Pennsylvania. I really don't think the DA has the balls to do this as they are a sports mob organization! Bogleg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Unchileno Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 101 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 110 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.14 Content Count: 8137 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 6762 Achievement Points: 61567 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 06:52 PM Birthday: 01/23/1974 Device: Android Share Posted July 25, 2012 Sorry about the tax payers..BUT..They deserved every little bit of it and more..This were kids... OUR future..protect them..or we have no future,, More than 1 person knew about it..and No 1 did SHIT.. BigPapaDean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Shamu Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 715 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 418 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2178 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 1183 Achievement Points: 16606 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 11/04/1943 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Sorry about the tax payers..BUT..They deserved every little bit of it and more..This were kids... OUR future..protect them..or we have no future,, More than 1 person knew about it..and No 1 did SHIT.. Oh yes they did, they covered it up and enabled the predator, Sandusky, to go his merry way abusing more and more kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14914 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 7883 Achievement Points: 91363 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 52 minutes ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted July 25, 2012 Sorry about the tax payers..BUT..They deserved every little bit of it and more..This were kids... OUR future..protect them..or we have no future,, More than 1 person knew about it..and No 1 did SHIT.. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TheLastColdBeer Posted July 25, 2012 Member ID: 489 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 552 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 4730 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 6028 Achievement Points: 41891 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 18 Joined: 09/22/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 09:22 AM Birthday: 01/09/1963 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted July 25, 2012 I'll agree w/Shamu. The board of trustees need to get off their collective asses and show the level of concern needed. Where is the uproar from the board & the Alumni? They're supposed to be on top of things, not sitting by the wayside, collecting a check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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