Ten servicemen who died in WWII plane crash in Sheffield to be remembered with flypast

codpiece · January 23, 2019

As a kid this man saw a B-17 flying towards him. He could see the pilot waving and thought the pilot was saying hello so he waved back. The B-17 flew over his head and crashed in the trees killing all on board. This man later realized that the pilot was probably waving for him and his friends to get out of the way! He feels this pilot saved his life by avoiding him and his friend by crashing in the trees instead of landing in the park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBRLPAdiV0

Edited January 23, 2019 by codpiece

Unchileno · January 23, 2019

Nice report .

X-RayXI · January 23, 2019

What a great story and Tony 'fighting' for years getting this done next month. I hope they are going to record this and show that to the world. It is touching indeed.

Well today, I had my moment too when three of them where close flying over my place. I was to late for the first one and just now they flew back, you might see all three on this picture. I just love aircrafts like these and happens a lot here that a few F16's flying over my house here as it is a common flying route it appears:

hxtr · January 23, 2019

What's up with this patriotic bullshit doing in the forum. Don't we have a place for this like the... oh.. this ain't politics. lol hahahaha

Everything is a rich mans trick. This is the best WWII history lesson you can ever receive on WWII.. it is called the Truth.

codpiece · January 23, 2019

Men die saving a kid and his friends in the service of their country and that is bullshit?

hxtr · January 23, 2019

1 hour ago, codpiece said:

Men die saving a kid and his friends in the service of their country and that is bullshit?

War was funded by bankers on both sides. Henry Ford built trucks and shit for the Nazis. After a while when you learn what the Industrial War Complex is and what they are doing to us today.. maybe then you and I can see eye to eye on these fucking wars spawn up by the Globalists aka the Illuminati. Something of many you are ignorant of. Let's have another war shall we so we can all come together. How about no more wars over fucking lies.

Sad thing is.. just like chemtrails you have no idea what the fuck I am talking about. Ignorance is not bliss or you would be pissed off like I am rather crying over just a few good me rather willing to do something about today's hug problems.

hxtr · January 23, 2019

Read this.... if you can comprehend.
https://www.amazon.com/Victor-Go-Myths-Monuments-Constitution-ebook/dp/B07DWCN5DC

hxtr · January 23, 2019

Here is the Author to explain how ignorant you are.

X-RayXI · January 23, 2019

@hxtrNot all people are interested in all those things. What is true or not or, what people believe in or at. Lol, you are almost making a Religion of this now., right?

Humans, or any living creatures on Earth lies and betray and you name it, with their actions. For one, for grouping together and one stating the Earth is flat. Who cares!? No one, as long they believe in something like you do.

It is not ignorant, but you almost rage about it. I love to hear you and our discussions over TS as we did before, but yeah. Calm down dude!

Ontopic: 2018 Airdrop my Place.

hxtr · January 23, 2019

This conversation has gotten political. This post needs to be moved to the Political Forum. This is a gaming clan.. not a WWII memorial.

@dadda2

codpiece · January 24, 2019

Thank you for hijacking this post @hxtr. This is a story about an incredible act of humanity during an inhumane time. It's a story about a boy, now an old man, who has lived every day of his life remembering what had been done for him. It's a story about a man who knows he can never thank those men, but has found a way to do so. As a result the lives of many have been touched in a positive way including mine and a few folks who have read my first post. Please just let this post stand for what it is meant to stand for.

Edited January 24, 2019 by codpiece

hxtr · January 24, 2019

1 hour ago, codpiece said:

Thank you for hijacking this post @hxtr. This is a story about an incredible act of humanity during an inhumane time. It's a story about a boy, now an old man, who has lived every day of his life remembering what had been done for him. It's a story about a man who knows he can never thank those men, but has found a way to do so. As a result the lives of many have been touched in a positive way including mine and a few folks who have read my first post. Please just let this post stand for what it is meant to stand for.

Thanks for hijacking a post yesterday that I can't even see anymore. You are welcome.

BTW why did Prescott Bush's bank get taken away from him after WWII? Wasn't because he helped fund Hitlers rise to power was it?

Yea George W. Bush's grandpa.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

let me guess.. since you don't know anything about Prescott Bush.... he didn't exist. I got you. Blind Ignorance.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

What is the highest honor given by the Natzi's? Why did Henry Ford receive one? All three of these picture have lots in common.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

What did Henry Ford receive that award for?

Henry Ford receiving the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from Nazi officials, 1938

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/

At a ceremony in Dearborn, Michigan, Henry Ford is presented with the Grand Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle on his 75th birthday. Henry Ford was the first American recipient of this order, an honor created in 1937 by Adolf Hitler. This was the highest honor Nazi Germany could give to any foreigner and represented Adolf Hitler’s personal admiration and indebtedness to Henry Ford. The presentation was made by Karl Kapp, German consul in Cleveland, and Fritz Heller, German consular representative in Detroit.

The peculiar admiration that National Socialists had for Henry Ford and the supposed sympathies that the Detroit industrialist harbored for Nazism keep attracting the curious, both academic historians and internet readers. There is something irresistible about the connection between the man taken to symbolize American industrial modernity and the quintessential villains of the twentieth century.

In 1918, Ford’s closest aide and private secretary, Ernest G. Liebold, purchased an obscure weekly newspaper for Ford, The Dearborn Independent. The Independent ran for eight years, from 1920 until 1927. In Germany, Ford’s antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent were issued in four volumes, cumulatively titled The International Jew, the World’s Foremost Problem published by Theodor Fritsch, founder of several antisemitic parties and a member of the Reichstag.

In a letter written in 1924, Heinrich Himmler described Ford as “one of our most valuable, important, and witty fighters”. Ford is the only American mentioned favorably in Mein Kampf, although he is only mentioned once: Adolf Hitler wrote: “only a single great man, Ford, [who], to [the Jews’] fury, still maintains full independence…[from] the controlling masters of the producers in a nation of one hundred and twenty millions”.

Speaking in 1931 to a Detroit News reporter, Hitler said he regarded Ford as his “inspiration”, explaining his reason for keeping Ford’s life-size portrait next to his desk. Steven Watts wrote that Hitler “revered” Ford, proclaiming that “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany”, and modeling the Volkswagen, the people’s car, on the Model T.

German engineers and industrial managers adapted technological and functional aspects of Fordism. Flow production (assembly lines and vertical integration) had considerable appeal after 1936, when the Four-Year Plan sparked renewed interest in industrial rationalization. The Volkswagen plant invoked Ford’s Rouge Factory as a model, and the German Labor Front hired Ford engineers to staff it. Finally, the Nazi-appointed manager of the airplane builder Junkers, Heinrich Koppenberg, was a vocal disciple of Ford production techniques.

Historians have proposed different understandings of the Ford-Nazi connection. Some have offered muckraking indictments of the American industrialist as a Nazi sympathizer and war profiteer. For others, the connection exhibited Nazi “reactionary modernism”, that paradoxical Fusion of technological zeal and anti-modern romanticism supposedly characteristic of Nazism. Others again have suggested a structural nexus between Fordism and Fascism. In this vein, Fordism is essentially understood as a device of capitalist control over the industrial work force. In Germany, it is asserted, Fordism only became dominant under Nazism.

While Ford was extremely anti-Semitic, at the same time he was very anti-war (and of course blamed Jews for World War I, not surprising given his propensity for blaming Jews for many things). So Ford didn’t like the Nazi militarism. Not enough to turn down this award, but still, he wasn’t close on a political level with the Nazis, and is quoted as saying in the New York Times at the time of the award: “My acceptance of a medal from the German people does not, as some people seem to think, involve any sympathy on my part with Nazism. Those who have known me for many years realize that anything that breeds hate is repulsive to me”. While Ford didn’t turn down the award, he also didn’t travel to Germany to receive it, so it was awarded to him in Michigan instead.

But despite these interpretations, the Ford-Nazi connection still leaves us with considerable uneasiness. It ﬁts only awkwardly into the master narratives of a historiography still dominated by national conceptual frameworks. In the American case, the status of Henry Ford as a herald of the roaring 1920’s makes it difficult to integrate his Antisemitism and indelicate political leanings into a uniﬁed appreciation of his historical role, which, in turn, creates the cliché of the man as an “enigma”.

Published on: November 20, 2013

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41 Comments

Harry K. James January 22, 2014

Ford was a better American than the one that bailed out GM and sealed his personal files from the American People.

Dwayne April 16, 2014

But who'd want the FORD's name on their car, after knowing this? HE WAS A HUGE ANTI SEMITE, when it was the absolute worst time to be one. I'd rather not give a penny to his offspring either. And, what happened to his overseas plants in Germany in the 1940's, is shocking too.

Dana November 29, 2014

"HE WAS A HUGE ANTI SEMITE, when it was the absolute worst time to be one."

Is there a good time to be one? Intolerance should never be accepted, no matter what specific intolerance is "in vogue" at the time. There is no best or worst time to be intolerant

Gary Johnson January 23, 2015

Plants in Germany? The same thing happened to them in Italy & Japan. The Governments took them over & utilized their assembly lines for their own war machines. That is what "dictators" do in order to supply their war machinery with weapons. They did it then & they will do it again if peace is not maintained in the world today. Nothing has really changed in that aspect since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. People may be captured but plants are the important items to save for an enemies use.

paddy April 7, 2015

It also happened to automobile plants in the U.S. and U.K. That has more to do with Total War economy than dictatorship.

Christopher Haley SImpson July 17, 2014

I just wonder when Henry Ford received this in 1938? Was it before or after Kristallnacht when the synagogues were burned? And what decent American who respects freedom of religion and opinion would have willingly received a medal from the diplomats of ruthless, murderous bunch of totalitarians? I can only conclude "better American" is a fairly worthless epithet coming from your keyboard mr Harry K. James. In any case receiving a medal from a committed anti-semitic and totalitarian and warmongering government such as the Nazi government in Germany in 1938 is not only in retrospect quite appalling.
I wonder if Henry Ford ever gave this medal back? If he gave it back then it would at least show he concluded at some time that it had been a bad thing to have accepted such a medal. If he didn't give it back then this would show he found it an honour to receive a medal from a murderous administration, even after they committed their crimes against humanity. So much for Ford being a better American than Obama. How can you write such a horrifically lop-sided judgement Mr Harry K. James?

Seth Asaban (@SethAsaban) November 17, 2014

Christopher - Henry Ford was presented with the Grand Cross of the German Eagle on 30 July 1938 and Kristallnacht (crystal night - also known as night of the broken glass) - took place from 9 Nov to 10 Nov 1938 following the shooting of Ernst Eduard vom Rath a German diplomat in Paris by a 17 year old called Herschel Grynszpan. Ernst died of his wounds on 9 Nov while the fate of Herschel who was arrested and held without trail in Fresnes Prison and taken to Germany in 1940 remains unknown

Christopher Haley SImpson November 20, 2014

Thanks for your answer to my question Seth. Are you a studied historian or do you fread around an awful lot. I must admit I was very shocked when I first saw this photo this year. I have known about British ideological support for the NAzis for many years, but had no idea that the multinationals and banks were so involved in building up Hitlerism in Germany. I guess the excuse could always be - well we didn't know beforehand what he would turn Germany into.

paddy April 7, 2015

Nazis were fiercely anti-socialist and anti-leftist. Capitalists supported them against communism. Its easy to monday-morning quarterback and point at how bad this looks, but at this time all the stuff we know and think we know about the Nazis was not so crystal clear. I mean, the stated goal of the Commintern was to establish a single international communist state. They were a direct threat to capitalists like Hentry Ford.

Jim July 23, 2015

Wrong, Paddy:

Nazis were anti-"Jewish" Socialism. They were all about creating a racist, "Arian" version in which everyone knew their place, and no one accepted "Equality" but "Order."

If you're exposed to either previous Nazi, or modern neo-Nazi propaganda, you will see, Nazis decried Capitalism just as much as Communism, and the Nazis routinely nationalized many businesses. However, the Nazis would openly do it for the accepted elite. Thus, if you aligned your interests with the Nazis, they were so corrupt that you could keep it.

The Nazis, via Mein Kampf, had stated distinctly that the world needed to be re-ordered with German Nationalist sentiment the guiding factor in the world. Anti-Communist AND anti-Capitalist.

Christopher Haley SImpson July 17, 2014

Other people who received this award were
Dr. Wilhelm Frick, Reichsminister
Heinrich Himmler, Reichsführer SS
Admiral Miklós Horthy, Hungary
Field Marshal Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim, Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish armed forces
Constantin Freiherr von Neurath, Reich Foreign Minister
General Hiroshi Ōshima, Japanese ambassador
Joachim von Ribbentrop, Reich Foreign Minister

But this perhaps does not matter if Henry Ford was a "better American" anyway. Being a better American is an antidote to many things. For instance spying on the rest of the world is okay, if one is at heart a "better American". We non-Americans are just so envious of all those who had the belssings of being born in Gods own country. PErhaps in the next life we shall be admitted like them, into similiar relams of blissful ignorance.

Harry K. James January 22, 2014

BTW. Ford used his own Willow Run farm and turned it into a B-24 plant and produced a B-24 every 55 minutes. That was before Pearl Harbor. The B-24 dropped thousands of tons of bombs on the Nazi's. Your writing should denote that regardless of what you wrote "historians" noted. There is one thing history proves. The folly of historians in telling the full story.

Fredrick Frosty March 5, 2014

....and i bet he was making these B-24s out the kindness of his heart? profit from both sides now that's American!

Harry K. James March 8, 2014

Only an ignorant prick would come up with that Frosty. You think he would make them all for a loss? You think Apple makes Ipads for a loss? You think Lord Obama doesn't cash his paycheck? Probably suit you fine if Hitler had kept the ovens going.

2crudedudes July 3, 2014

Man, your comment is all sorts of stupid.

1) Profit and loss are not the only outcomes in manufacturing.

2) Apple's iPads are nowhere near as useful as airplanes are, especially during a war like WWII. Why you would even mention them in the same sentence is baffling.

3) "Lord Obama"? I guess that explains your post.

4) "The folly of historians in telling the full story." You'd be hard-pressed to find an objective recounting of current events, even today, in the so-called information age. What makes you think that historians can definitively recount what actually happened so long ago? Witnesses die. Documents are destroyed. Hearsay, misinformation and fact become muddled, making it difficult to sift out the truth.

It's not that historians want to lie, it's that they literally can't know the truth after so many years have gone by. They're piecing together the past based on findings, not telling us exactly what happened. Even if they had witnessed it themselves, they probably wouldn't be able to give the entire story accurately.

VLM October 30, 2014

you sound as if you have a serious problem with President Barack Obama and the only problem that you should have especially if you are Caucasian is he's probably related to you. So wake up white people in America stop letting your inbred racism that has been taught to you for centuries and generations just stop it cuz you need to see and listen to how ridiculous you really do sound,have a blessed and great day thank God we have a president that came out of Harvard University which is our higher Institute of Education in the United States and the top of his class in stead of the Bush family dummies. thank goodness we finally have a man in a progressive family in the White House. The way I see it this is the best of this country has to offer the best of the white and the best of black Americans. So why people please wake up before the coffee Burns.oh yeah even if Ford did accept that metal from the Germans he still an American genius no one else has created a plastic car , no one else is tried to come up with a sustainable fuel source but Henry Ford is a greatAmerican geniusbecause he actually came up with Green fuel and a green car do your research bye bye

Dana November 29, 2014

The company nearly filed bankruptcy in 1945, so profiting "from both sides" may be a stretch.

Erik December 17, 2014

Hey- Ford's factories produced the rocket engines for the V2 missile and he consulted to maximise German manufacturing efficiency. You're a moron. Ford was a nazi sympathiser and he profited from both sides in WWII. I discovered this upon researching ford's German subsidiary, founded in 1925. I didn't even go looking and I found this info and this topic by mistake! And you couldn't find the truth if it bit you in the butt. Keep watching Fox News and listening to rush limbaugh's ramblings, you blind fool.

ftreu December 18, 2014

Could you please provide the source where you found that Ford produced rocket engines for the V2 missile ?
As far as I know the V2 was mass-produced in the Dora underground (and forced labour) concentration camp , but not by private contractors.

And, as I said here before, during the war foreign-owned companies were run by government-nominated trustees, in Germany as in the US . So company ownership says nothing about who decided.

So, publish your sources.

And learn to be polite.
Insulting people with different opinions was a well-known character trait of Nazis.
Beware.

Gary January 23, 2015

Lets' not forget world capitalism here. Rockefellar with Standard Oil was also selling petroleum products to Hitler in the 1930's before his oil plants were taken over by Germany. The main reason Ford seemed so anti-semetic was because he needed funds to start his company. The terms from Jewish bankers were in their favor and Ford realized early on that if he took their banking/investment money, he would be working for the Jews - not his "own" company. He was a staunch mid westerner & he could not stand the thought of his daily work being for a banker rather than for "his' own company. Ole Henry is a complicated man that is not easily put in a box for all to see him as simply being this way or that. Besides, we are looking back at history now but Henry was living history "THEN". From this perspective, two totally different views. Study the electricity battle of Edison & Tesla & one can see a totally different perspective on how to light the world. One was a whole lot cheaper than the other. Can you guess which one? It might surprise you.

John W. Butts March 26, 2014

Ironic footnote and historical minutiae from a Model “A” Ford owner:

In 1929 Ford sold the USSR $13,000,000 worth of cars, trucks, parts, tools, dies, etc., together with technical assistance through 1938. In 1931, Ford ceased US production of Model “A” cars and “AA” trucks. Redundant manufacturing equipment was shipped to the USSR.

By 1933, the Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod (GAZ) plant was in operation in Nizhny Novgorod, USSR.

“GAZ-A” cars and “GAZ-AA” trucks are clearly identifiable as being clones of 1931 Ford vehicles.

During WWII, GAZ “AA” trucks were adapted to many uses… armored, fitted with half-tracks, fitted with artillery or rocket launchers, etc. GAZ “AA” trucks figured prominently in the “ice road” convoy across Lake Ladoga during the siege of Leningrad. In essence, the Red Army’s WWII “Jeep” was a Model “A” Ford.

Once one is familiar with GAZ products, it is difficult to find an image of Soviet vehicles on the Eastern Front in WWII, from the Crimea to Leningrad, without spotting a Model “A” Ford.

Ford had an assembly plant in Berlin prior to 1932, and in Cologne thereafter. I have located two images of Ford trucks bedecked with flowers and swastikas during what appears to be a May Day parade in Bavaria in the early 30's. I have never located a single image of Ford vehicles in use by (as opposed to captured by) German government or military personnel.

ftreuF. Thomas October 15, 2014

The assembly plant in Cologne in fact dates from the Weimar Republic when Adenauer, then May of British occupation-hit Cologne, succeded in attracting new businesses to his city and in 1929 Ford Germany relocated from Berlin to Cologne.
Up to the German declaration of war Ford Detroit sent the necessary engines etc. to Ford Cologne for the assembly of the Ford Barrel Nose trucks, typed here G917T, G987T, G987TG and G997T. As a German subsidiary of any foreign company Ford Germany, like IBM, Standard Oil etc., was controlled by government-appointed trustees (but remained in Detroit's ownership) so Ford Detroit had no real say in what happened in Germany. The German-language Wikipedia pages http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Barrel_Nose_Lkw show Ford Wehrmacht G917T trucks carrying Jews, anti-guerilla units, etc.
Besides the antisemite attitudes of Henry Ford Ford Germany behaved as numerous companies under German control at that time: it took this as just another commercial opportunity, though under extreme conditions, no matter how awful the conditions were.

John W. Butts December 3, 2014

Thank you. My interest lies in Ford "A" and "AA" models, and their Soviet successors. I was unaware of the German "Barrel Nose" vehicles. The parade vehicles I mentioned were Model AA's. I will correct my original post to say that I have never seen an image of an "A" or "AA" in Wehrmacht livery. If you know of any such images I would be very interested in seeing them. Best regards.

ftreu December 11, 2014

If you look at the evolution of vehicle types the Ford AA were too out-dated and after the mid-1930s the Wehrmacht tried to standardise the production of cars for the military. But maybe some units used Ford AAs seized in occupied countries ?

John W. Butts December 13, 2014

Indeed, I have seen images of German military use of captured GAZ "A" phaetons (touring cars) in the Caucasus. As you say, the A/AA design was "out-dated," but what fascinates me, as an "A" owner, is how the basic design remained evident in GAZ production throughout the war years. Outdated it may have been, but the Model A was (and remains) an extremely durable and versatile vehicle. Most Americans are surprised to see images of GAZ "A's" in active duty in the East long after the "A" was considered an old car at home. The "A" design was so sound, and the materials of such quality, that a well-maintained "A" is perhaps the oldest motor vehicle capable of
being a "daily driver" in many areas of the US even today. Irrespective of who used them, and to what ends, the Ford and GAZ "A/AA" vehicles were remarkable. Best regards.

Pete December 9, 2014

Rising anti communist feel not rising anti semitic feel in Europe. Ford wrote anti Jewish communist book in early 1900s
Nov 28 1918 jewish communist Rosa luxemburg takes over Berlin, Jewish communist Eisner takes over Berlin.
freikorps form and fight them out. Germans hear Henry ford has written a book on Jewish communist and he sells 20 million copies in Germany and is turned into an anti communist demi god. No one was more surprised then ford.
Ford was not a Nazi the Nazi was a Fordite .
Ford then builds a flying fortress every 4 hours and destroys his followers.
What irony.
Ford did more for the allied war effort than anyman. I bet you have acute hitleritis and this is not published. You be good lying conformists

ftreu December 11, 2014

Pete, you misinform the reader. You repeat a standard lie of Hitler that it were the Jews that took power in the German civil war. It were the communistes who tried to seize power against the government and right-wing volunteers and armed militias.

The poor Henry Ford was so impressed by civil war on another continent and above all in an enemy country that he became an anti-semite ?

The central anti-Jewish publication of Henry Ford was The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem, published in English in 1920, and in German in 1922 by a well-known extreme right publishing house, Hammer Verlag. The articles were first published in the Dearborn Independent, a journal wholly owned by Ford.

After a trial in 1927 Ford retracted of his anti-Jewish publications and closed the Dearborn Independent.

The table of content of The International Jew shows that you clearly misstate its content.
The ill-famed Protocols of the Elders of Zion appear at a prominent place :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew#Volume_1:_The_International_Jew:_The_World.27s_Foremost_Problem_.281920.29

This might have been the crazy ideas of some rich illuminate. Now were there any effects of Ford's anti-semitism ?
Just 3 hints.

In a letter written in 1924, Heinrich Himmler, the SS criminal, described Ford as "one of our most valuable, important, and witty fighters".

Ford was the only foreigner cited in Hitler's party program Mein Kampf.

The head of the compulsory party and state youth organization, the Hitler Youth, Baldur von Schirach, said at the Nuremberg trial:
VON SCHIRACH: ... The decisive anti-Semitic book which I read at that time and the book which influenced my comrades . . . was Henry Ford's book, The International Jew; I read it and became anti-Semitic.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/05-23-46.asp

Any questions ?

Will Blackcloud December 28, 2014

People playing people and there's a sucker born every minute. Read more about old Henry Ford and you'll discover he was as ignorant as a fence post regarding his historical and political savvy and could be persuaded and influenced at the drop of a hat. These dubious accolades were just another attempt to kiss his ass by the Germans to keep him pacified with their bullshit. While they kept him pre-occupied with global peace and Nobel prize dreams, they sucked him dry of every possible assembly line technique they could get. They played Henry like a fiddle - sucked him in like a noodle.

Read about Henry's peace ship venture in 1915 to try and spread goodwill throughout Europe with his industrial knowledge; thinking he could keep everyone happy with his $5 a day labor model. It worked in America, why not Europe? He chartered a steamship without any clue of who he was dealing with. He didn't like war. WHOA! Who does?. He thought he could bring prosperity to Europe that would eventually stop the war by inserting his Ford to Europe. Guess what? It failed and the war continued. Not the Mama! Not the Commy! Commy's don't try to improve things, Commy's don't create wealth for others, Commy's don't care about your damn welfare! Henry was an opportunist push forward kind of guy, but put the cart before the horse which got him in deep shit. https://books.google.com/books?

id=3XXxhbDU9P4C&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=man++of+integrity+Henry+Ford&source=bl&ots=544GLWk0AQ&sig=Lfv6Z8b8XLKpGr9S2WdH_lTU3Dc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wU2gVPyZCc21oQS4pIKwAw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=man%20%20of%20integrity%20Henry%20Ford&f=false

The Jews everyone speaks of in these articles were American Jews. DUH! Hollywood anybody. Media anyone? Hell, they controlled half of America by this time. They weren't the sophisticated Jews of Israel. The Jews in Europe had also been owners of much infrastructure, both corporate and industrial, and that caused enmity with Hitler's objectives, and since Germany was failing economically, Hitler blamed everything on the Jews.

Okay, back to Ford. Ford didn't care for the Jews in AMERICA (NOT ISRAEL) because they tried to stop his success. They incited labor disputes and riots, they picketed his attempt to steam off to Europe and offer industrial assistance. He encountered many tiffs with Jewish leagues of one or another because the Jewish machine in America was powerful and couldn't accept Ford being so damn independent and selfish. Hence, Ford's acquired unhealthy taste for Jews.

The damn commy's and Nazis loved it, and when they wined and dined old Henry for initiating his plans to industrialize the world with Fordism, he fell for it. 'Sucker born every minute' Ford just couldn't see the forest for the trees. All he could see was expansion. Horrible thing expansion. No right minded liberal businessman wants expansion - right? Or is that an oxy-moron; liberal left winger and businessman? Hell, Ford's own wife wanted her grandson to lead the company because Henry couldn't handle the pressure of invading interest groups destroying his dream.
How about the UAW union. Communist based and communist run. Look it up on Wikipedia. 3000 commy's headed toward Ford's Michigan Plant in the early 30's to launch a vicious campaign that would eventually tear down Henry's empire. They spent days' hammering away on Henry's alleged monopolization, disenfranchisement, discrimination, low wages, bad practice this and that, or anything that would bring bad media attention. It was so bad, that fights broke out, a riot ensued, (sound familiar) finally between the local law enforcement and some of Ford's employee's - shot were fired and a few people lost their lives and many injured. WHOA! How could Henry Ford do such a thing? Well, the commy's got their wish and people started distrusting Henry Ford. No wonder he got bitter.

Henry was just a farm boy, without too much extended college for the greater and finer artsy fartsy stuff the liberals need to survive on. He was a hard working farm boy that made good but got taken by smarter commy's and liberals.

Old Henry made up for his ignorance and gullability by putting his forces to work for the war effort by tooling up the military department with the same techniques he screwed up giving Germany. Henry was kicking ass, but not just on B-24s', but tanks, jeeps, armored personnel vehicles, and even submarines. It's all on wikipedia. Good stuff maynard - of course you have to read some of the books and articles that were referenced to learn more about old Henry's personal views.

So, did Henry get out of Germany because he wanted to remain in legal business operations in America - you know, being a commy and all? (I don't find where our governing bodies - of that time - found him to be bonified commy). He was never obligated to provide our DOD any assistance but he did. He was allowed to contribute, sanctioned by an American government and military police state capable of keeping the atom bomb in complete seclusion - especially from commy's.

Now of course, there are those who believe Henry saw the war effort as more equitable opportunity. WTF? GM and DODGE did also doofus. Only GM was very unreliable in their efforts - couldn't build anything the army could depend on. No Shit! Dodge however did! For starters, the dodge ram.

Henry wasn't a commy, he wasn't a fascist, he wasn't part of any alluminati. He did however find it necessary to become allies with Woodrow Wilson - the Prez who launched our infamous IRS and Federal Reserve System. Henry was just, quite simply, an over enthusiastic work-o-holic who had a magnificent dream for himself and America and was pulverized by communists.

Tent Hire Sydney May 21, 2015

very interesting thread

Gatorgal December 22, 2016

Yes it is indeed

DBM August 17, 2016

Don't forget the owners of Coca-Cola where huge fans of Hitler too. When the US gov't cut off shipments of coke syrup to Germany the coke company developed the FANTA Brand.

mr goat November 16, 2016

Every modern book and publication (by Jews) will prop him up and then shoot him down with their culture chaos meme of 'anti-semite' but it is that which is the Jewish failure to comprehend - or I would dare to say their conciously ignorance (to admit they create anti-semitism - not Ford) to push their agenda of stating 'anti-semite' for their perpetualy victimhood . Anyone who tells the world as it 'really is' - is immediately labeled -anti semite!!! And that cannot be refuted. All one gets in argument is rhetoric of jewish culture.

John Stokes December 9, 2016

I have just read this entire thread, much of it with my mouth open in horror.

I am gobsmacked that so many so readily condemn Henry Ford as anti-semitic and a Nazi sympathiser. I have read so much on the life of the Ford family, and their industrial might, that I know this not to be true.

Will Blackcloud Dec 28, 2014 (above) says it very well, in relatively little words that anyone can understand. Will is absolutely correct is what he has to say on this subject.

Henry was virtually illiterate. But he was a talented (but untrained) engineer. But he was not a Rhodes scholar! He was easily led. One of his most dangerous liaisons was with Harry Bennett. In many ways, Bennett ran the Ford Motor Company.

Ford-US did not collude with the government in Nazi Germany.

Yes, Henry Ford was presented with the Black Cross (so was Charles Lindberg), by two German envoys, in Detroit. By this time, he was in the early stages of senility or dementia. Almost certainly he did not know what was going on. But it was presented to him because Hitler admired his views - the very car for the masses that Ford had created, the Model T, Hitler was emulating in Germany (Volkswagen = 'peoples car'. His social views - not smoking or drinking (Hitler also hated both). What Ford had done for America Hitler wanted to do for Germany (but he took it much to far, of course!). Anyway, Edsel, FDR and the FBI decided not to return the award and inflame the relationship with Germany (we were looking for peace in 1938, not for a fight).

It is so very easy to call Ford anti-semitic - but anti-semitism was quite common and open back then. On one hand, his trusted personal secretary (Liebold) was anti-semitic - but his favourite industrial architect (Albert Kahn) was a Jew. Kahn designed Highland Park, the Rouge, the Ford assembly plants worldwide, Henry and Clara's own home Fair Lane, and more! Today we look back on anti-semitism and immediately think of the holocaust. That is why anti-semitism is now so abhorrent but, pre-holocaust, it wasn't.

That is all I shall say. Except that reading most of the above makes me think I really must, some day, write a book on this subject. There are too many misguided people out there commenting on this. In the meantime, may I suggest those wanting to comment inform themselves first by other means before committing your ignorance to infinity on the internet.

Bob January 1, 2017

Henry Ford Manufactured trucks at his Koln (Cologne) plant for the German military. The RAF bombed it during WW2 and he was not a very happy bunny.

Jim Watt March 28, 2017

This has been a fascinating read and I thank all the respondants for their time. I knew of Henry Ford's anti-semitism as well as his anti-unionism and I imagine he was, like most of America in his time, also anti black and brown people. Clearly his views are still popular in America (and around the world) today. As to his being anti-war I think his actions (especially his union busting) speak more loudly than his words. And the whole issue of war profiteering is as much with us today as are the rest of his ugly ideas and practices. Alas, all this is as 'American' as apple pie and baseball. This doesn't mean baseball and apple pie are somehow evil or bad; it just means that a system that protects people's right to speak their minds is one that has decided to tolerate filth as a means of locating it. What we do with it is up to us.

Will April 21, 2017

For those arguing pro-Ford statements regarding the B-52, Ford's German subsidiary (or partner) Mr. Opel was producing vehicles for the German war machine with Ford's approval. I feel like that might be worse.

Amerikaner August 9, 2017

Hail Ford. Heil Hitler. England and the USA took the wrong side in WW2. They should have maintained good relations with Germany and realized that Germany and its various Axis allies were on a crusade to rid this earth of Stalinism and save Europe.

Tina Burris September 7, 2017

oh boy, here we go! Now,after reading this article, everyone is going to curse all people that drive Ford vehicles. Well, let's not be hypocrites - many hippies LOVE volkswagen vehicles - the bug, the the bus, Karmann Ghia, etc. While we're at it - on the topic of hypocrisy. I recently found out that the pagan druids burnt hundreds of people alive in large effigies - just like the ones they build and burn down at burning man in Nevada every year. And most of the people that attend these festivals are he same ones that are programmed to hate Christians because of what they have been "told" about the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. News Flash: the Catholic Church's Leaders and their doctrine are not Christian. So, before any of you start spewing blind hatred and bigotry, learn your facts first.

Cato Younger September 11, 2017

Most of the American Left was in love with Hitler for his taking over the private sector. Only later did the Soviet propaganda start putting Nazism on the Right after Hitler turned on Stalin.

MP November 13, 2017

Rest well, Mr. Ford. BTW I have a letter from E.G Liebold.

Gil Serique June 30, 2018

I do have a consistent think that Henry Ford built Fordlandia and Belterra to supply the nazi with natural rubber. It is very hard to swallow that he built both cities to make tyres for his vehicles . All Americans left the Amazon in 1945. He camecto Santarem area because it was the source of the original rubber seeds taken by The Wickhams. My grand father actually sold the seeds to the Henry Wickham. Goebbels was actually ordered by Hitler to make a film about Henry Wickham who was an acquainted of my hrand father. Sounds like Walt Disney was inspired by Fordlandia to make Disneyland.

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hxtr · January 24, 2019

Ford built us Trucks and he Build the Natzi's trucks. FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would we celibate a lie? Bad enough we play games after that fucking lie.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

Then we fast forward to the Vietnam War. Why did the USA go to war with Vietnam? Wasn't it because of an the attack on a US ship in the Gulf of Tonkin? Did that event occur?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we go to war for another lie.
I just searched and found.. I know the lie is real.

Funny LBJ the same son of a bitch that killed JFK, MLK and the shit fuck to start Geoengineering.

Where is your outcry. Brainwashed into thinking this is Bullshit as well?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq

hxtr · January 24, 2019

Someone needs to move this post. I can go on for weeks maybe even months.. I am sure I can go on for years.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

Fun fact.. who was one of the Captains who witnessed the Gulf of Tonkin... thing is he did not witness dick. JFK files releases proved it was all a lie.. no joke no pun no dick but the truth.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/music/jim-morrisons-dad-had-a-hand-in-starting-the-vietnam-war

hxtr · January 24, 2019

Why do I see the truth and most of you are can't? What red pill did I take and what blue one did you take? It baffles me. Truly does.

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hxtr · January 24, 2019

https://www.businessinsider.com/jim-morrisons-dad-had-a-hand-in-starting-the-vietnam-war-2016-3

https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin

hxtr · January 24, 2019

I can hear it now, "but hxtr, that new information does not exist... so what if they were documents released by the CIA".
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/10/14/jim-morrisons-father-upon-hearing-the-first-doors-album-wrote-a-letter-to-his-son-give-up-any-idea-of-singing/

hxtr · January 24, 2019

You all want to live in this fantasy world the USA and the UK were heroes in this world during WWII. You fuckers are wrong... we were pawns and look at us today. UK will be selling prayer rugs on every street corner soon and the ones praying are not even the problem.

hxtr · January 24, 2019

OK here is the Secret.. the Illuminati. Are they real or not?

hxtr · January 24, 2019

What's the CFR? Do they exist?

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