this is how we roll in FLA

[tsw 8.5]

 so don't think you can move here and make it the way it was there .

[MikeB]

There are alot of STUPID critters out there !!! 

[MtDeW]

he is my favorite FL. Sheriff his youtube is the shit  

 

[Sammy]

We have a dangerous society of our own making but too many lean too far one way or another to the extremes. Either they are ok with a police state where the police can do anything with impunity and we have no say. Or they are ok with the wild west and crime run amok where the police cant do much all (or there are no police whatsoever). And of course neither want to face up to their own responsibilities to the way things are.

Reasonable people will say that if the cop legitimately fears for his life there arent many options for how he responds and that is that. On the other hand, if it is not legitimate or no fear of death, the cop is not permitted to kill in response. That said, it all still leans towards the cop doing what is necessary with force to subdue the person short of shooting or killing him. You dont get to say that the police can do anything they want or alternatively that they cant do anything at all. But of course its those idiots, like above, that tend to get on cable news and spout to get the ratings and we eat it up.

[TheLastColdBeer]

The Police are there to enforce the law. The Courts are there to uphold the law. The Government is SUPPOSED to uphold the constitution as the base of our law. When the top tier fails in its' duty, and the second tier turns a blind eye, you have anarchy. Never forget we live in a contract. We, as citizens, agree to obey the law.......just as long as the powers that be honor their end of the bargain. Failure of responsibilities means all bets are off.

[tsw 8.5]

so when i cop tells you to stop..you stop.nothing more stop and do whats right .no if and or buts just stop .and then you won't get your ass in a sling

 

                                    

[RobMc]

The police are constantly in a terrible situation with people like Sammy, although generally in a perfect world he's correct, the world is not perfect is it. They sometimes have milliseconds to make a decision, common sense tells you that is not always the correct decision. You either accept some mistakes are made and have law and order, or don't and have anarchy, your choice. What you do not need is the lunacy of trying soldiers and policemen for murder when doing their job. What happens ?, well either no one becomes a soldier or police officer, or they don't do their job properly.

My best wishes to all our idiots who are policemen and servicemen who have not only to cope with crime and wars, but also their own country out to punish them for doing it.

Barking Mad !

[TheLastColdBeer]

That's exactly what I'm saying Rob, we don't have issues around our area. Cop pulls you over, it's yessir, nossir, and it generally turns into a gab session about price of corn, who's putting on a fish fry, or lunch specials. No big deal, a ticket gets written, or a warning offered & on your way.

Chicagoland? whole different story. Couple of friends of mine have handed in their retirements, because they're no longer willing to risk everything they've worked for, just for doing their jobs. Courts don't have their backs, City won't back them up, and the state absolutely will throw them under the bus. All while trying to maintain some semblance of law & order. Stuck in an impossible situation, I don't blame anyone who says piss on it, do your own dirty work.

[RobMc]

Well I used to watch that pawn programme with old Les and my impression was that years ago Chicago had problems. There's been a couple more uk programmes where it has been implied that it was a dangerous place and we see pictures of some of the slum housing. You of course see more than us, but from here it does seem a place to avoid, another good place gone to the dogs. Presume drugs are behind a lot of it, as in so many parts of the world, long past time to make them legal, then if you want to kill yourself off you go, at least the taxpayer gets a bit back from what they cost.

These large cities and their problems will be the downfall of law and order eventually, London is a no go area for most UK citizens now.

[Sammy]

Chicago has been a dangerous place forever. Back in the day, most of the gangs were white though. Same station, different tune.

Anyways, the courts are not supposed to have anyones back. They are supposed to unhold the law impartially, as stated above. The question I suppose is whether or not they are being impartial with the facts and not supporting either side. That depends on who you ask. And when.

[RobMc]

2 minutes ago, Sammy said:

Chicago has been a dangerous place forever. Back in the day, most of the gangs were white though. Same station, different tune.

Anyways, the courts are not supposed to have anyones back. They are supposed to unhold the law impartially, as stated above. The question I suppose is whether or not they are being impartial with the facts and not supporting either side. That depends on who you ask. And when.

Yea I've wondered about your courts since the OJ Simpson trial ? Ours are not much different at times, where points of law are more important than the blindingly obvious. In fact the current leader of our Labour party is the guy who represented Jimmy Saville and got him off and defended the grooming gangs. I do feel that due to massive costs justice is out of reach for most people and there needs to be more fast track judgements. I also strongly feel that victims of crime need to be compensated directly out of the pockets of the criminals, more of a deterrent than jail, if say they had to pay twice the amount stolen.

[GhostfaceJim]

I don't like this guy.  He is always doing press conferences about arresting his own police officers.  So annoying.

[TheLastColdBeer]

A lot has changed in Chicago. At one time there was nothing that wasn't made in Chicago, from locomotive engines to knitting needles, it was an economic powerhouse. Now, it's a shadow. Take a cruise up 55 to Lake Shore Drive and it's a sea of dead factories. The only things remaining are the corruption, politicians, & gangs. The courts are not impartial, haven't been impartial for a long time, and are just publicity & revenue generators, preying on what remains.