FSB Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 2790 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 14 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 120 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2018 Birthday: 05/03/1975 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hack-usations are a tiresome subject for many server administrators. They are often unfounded and basically based on a players frustration with their own performance. I, and many others, are well aware that a constant, "He's hacking", "How did he know", and "I was shot through a wall" statements can quickly and easily get old. As such, many server administrators have adopted a very simple retort to these, sometimes, constant accusations: "Provide proof of hacking or shut up about it". I believe, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that this is also the XI protocol when dealing with accusation of suspected hacking. So the question is simple. What would be considered sufficient evidence of hacking within an IX server? How would one provide that proof? Is it even truly possible? I'm not here to cause waves or stir the pot, I assure you. I enjoy XI servers (for the most part) far too much to jeopardize my ability to continue playing on XI servers to come into these forums and just start being an ass. I've thought for over a week now if I should ask this question and came to the decision that it is indeed a fair question to ask. When, as a player, I fear that Punk Buster has failed to protect the game I play, and XI provides...what next? Does XI, as a whole, assume that Punk Buster is flawless? Or would it be more accurate to say that so long as the hacking player is acting beyond Punk Busters ability to catch them, XI looks the other way? I find it difficult to believe that either of those last two statements are accurate. XI runs amazing servers. The fact that they are usually always populated speaks to that merit. As such, it wouldn't be foolish to assume that running servers "the XI way" are successful. Yet, I can't help but also believe that if it were possible to contribute to the majority of players experience by way of removing a dishonest player, XI wouldn't act. Again, please forgive me if I assume too much. In conclusion...IF I were to believe that a hacking player has indeed infected an XI server, and this player, or players, appears to be using tools not detectable by Punk Buster, simply making an accusation is not enough. Understood, and agreeable by all I would think. But how do we do it? How do we go beyond the suspicions and move into something more forthright, where upon without the validation of Punk Buster the player may be removed? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Asylumn Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 809 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 41 Topic Count: 251 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2835 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 1016 Achievement Points: 20374 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 12 hours ago Birthday: 06/25/1979 Device: Windows Share Posted September 20, 2011 to provide proof you need to get ingame video of suspected hackers and post them for the admins to take a look at. if for whatever reason you are unable to capture video please xfire or pm an admin of that particular game and talk with them about why you are suspecting a player of hacking and why you are unable to get video. most hackers are not caught the first day if punkbuster doesnt catch them, sometimes it takes a while of spectating to confirn the hacks. just get with an admin and they can let you know what else needs to be done. but the best is definitely video of the accused. thank you for posting this question. as many others may not be aware of the proper procedure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
FSB Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 2790 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 14 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 120 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 16, 2018 Birthday: 05/03/1975 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Thank you very much for the quick response. Would a recorded demo be sufficient? It's a very easy method to "capture" video from the game. By simply typing /record "playername" in console, a very compressed record of the player being spectated is saved. That file can then be sent to anyone for review, so long as it is on your hard drive, simply load the game, then type /demo "playername" into console. lastly, how long is acceptable for a non-XI member to sit in spectator? Due to the popularity of the XI servers, I fear of being kicked for inactivity if I spectate too long. Not sure why my post didn't show because of the quote...but, yeah, the demo, thanks gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricko Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 138 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 63 Topic Count: 474 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 4470 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2925 Achievement Points: 30749 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Saturday at 07:11 AM Birthday: 07/01/1974 Device: Android Share Posted September 20, 2011 First off best way to record a suspected hack is to do it in game 1)First go to spectate and find the one you are trying to record next Open your in game console hit the tilde key ~ 2) then type in /record (insert players name here) When you hit enter you can tell it is working as it will open in the lower left corner and show it recording and the progress 3) When done recording re open console and type /stoprecord 4) To find the video take this path (this is for windows XP) (I will post for win7 later) C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\Mods 5) in the mods folder go to the mod you were recording in (example) I recorded SOB in the mw2final server C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\Mods\ximw2final\demos 6) the file is small and it HAS SOUND, The demo plays so much better) Next you send the .dm file to a admin so they can view it. as already posted previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Ricko Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 138 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 63 Topic Count: 474 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 4470 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2925 Achievement Points: 30749 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Saturday at 07:11 AM Birthday: 07/01/1974 Device: Android Share Posted September 20, 2011 by the amazing greywolf i forgot to mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bama Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 19 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 101 Topic Count: 318 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4444 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 2763 Achievement Points: 29399 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 11 Birthday: 02/29/1968 Device: iPhone Share Posted September 20, 2011 XI admins in no way endorse or condone hacking of any sort. IF punkbuster were 100% effective, there would be little need for admins.. particularly many admins that are in-game. One of the main goals of the XI admin team is to provide a playing environment that is hacker free. I, as an admin, have spent many hours spectating players that others have had questions on. It is my job. What happens a lot though is an admin is not around, and a player accuses another of being a hacker. In this instance, the video goes a long way to prove that hacking has or has not occurred. This is helpful to the admin team. I know you are not accusing us XI admins of putting up with hacking, I just wanted to clear the air on that point. HACKING of any sort will not be tolerated on XI servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Dstraktd Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 2794 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 186 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1080 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/06/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19, 2012 Birthday: 11/11/1976 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Trust me, I have been on the accusing side. It's easy to blame someone else when you are simply having a shitty game. Someone may have seen ur weapon or legs stick out of a wall. It's a game glitch. We have all seen it, and have all killed that person laying prone too close to a wall. Sometimes it's a random lucky shot. If you know a map well enuff, you know where the good hiding spots are. I, for one, am always rattling of a shot or 2 in places I would hide in familiar maps. Sometimes I get lucky and there is someone up there to catch that hot lead from my M1 Garand. Sometime you just get seen, even if you think you are completely hidden. I know I have gotten killed and thought "how in the hell did he know I was here???" But I never give someone cheating a second thought. I know PB is pretty reliable, and the >XI< server admins are all about fair play. That's why I keep going there to kill them, it's honestly my favorite hunting ground. And in all honesty, if there is someone cheating, it makes it all the sweeter to kill that person knowing that ur playing fair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDMAN Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 800 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 152 Topic Count: 137 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6969 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 4508 Achievement Points: 58481 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/27/09 Status: Online Last Seen: 8 minutes ago Birthday: 05/29/1957 Device: Android Share Posted September 20, 2011 Let me say this; I have taken a video and posted it and the next day that person was baned so the system does work. SO if the proof is there it will be taken care of in the proper procedure. This is just to let you know that it does work. And a big thank you to all the admins for there hard work !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted September 20, 2011 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14889 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 7830 Achievement Points: 91112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted September 20, 2011 PT-Bama XI admins in no way endorse or condone hacking of any sort. IF punkbuster were 100% effective, there would be little need for admins.. particularly many admins that are in-game. One of the main goals of the XI admin team is to provide a playing environment that is hacker free. I, as an admin, have spent many hours spectating players that others have had questions on. It is my job. What happens a lot though is an admin is not around, and a player accuses another of being a hacker. In this instance, the video goes a long way to prove that hacking has or has not occurred. This is helpful to the admin team. I know you are not accusing us XI admins of putting up with hacking, I just wanted to clear the air on that point. HACKING of any sort will not be tolerated on XI servers. +1.... The gig is up Bama, better drop that Admin hack as soon as u can..hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
google Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 1270 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 149 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3862 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 4543 Achievement Points: 34164 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 03/22/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 20 Birthday: 04/12/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted September 21, 2011 Òk ....a problem as it... pb work...but...most problems..are for:does not know what to look for... the cvarlist violation on (example) MW2 V2 server is empty...look at this photo now look a server set correctly and others ty very much (sory for my engl. i used goole translate:))) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.15 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129714 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted September 21, 2011 Ricko First off best way to record a suspected hack is to do it in game 1)First go to spectate and find the one you are trying to record next Open your in game console hit the tilde key ~ 2) then type in /record (insert players name here) When you hit enter you can tell it is working as it will open in the lower left corner and show it recording and the progress 3) When done recording re open console and type /stoprecord 4) To find the video take this path (this is for windows XP) (I will post for win7 later) C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\Mods 5) in the mods folder go to the mod you were recording in (example) I recorded SOB in the mw2final server C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\Mods\ximw2final\demos 6) the file is small and it HAS SOUND, The demo plays so much better) Next you send the .dm file to a admin so they can view it. as already posted previously damn good info Ricko........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.28 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Sunday at 07:55 AM Device: Windows Share Posted September 21, 2011 Ok i was talking to google on teamspeak and he took me through this what he mentions in his post, we had a few language problems but i think i got it in the end,Google took me to another server and showed me this screen he says our servers at XI don't have this pb_cvarlist thing when you go into the console and so he thinks we are maybe not screening correctly....anyone have any thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
google Posted September 21, 2011 Member ID: 1270 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 149 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3862 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 4543 Achievement Points: 34164 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 03/22/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 20 Birthday: 04/12/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted September 21, 2011 i have a friend Nosjp. is as in programming servers.which is present on our servers..programmer..which dealt with the servers in Romania... and would be glad to help...if you want help xfire id :nosjp ty very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bloodyrbeye Posted September 22, 2011 Member ID: 2167 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 41 Achievement Points: 833 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12 Birthday: 04/29/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted September 22, 2011 interesting to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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