Hunter1948 Posted December 2, 2012 Member ID: 1850 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 98 Topic Count: 328 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8620 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 4222 Achievement Points: 55994 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 09/29/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 06/19/1948 Device: Windows Share Posted December 2, 2012 We are having some CI issues Blackcat rebooted the server once but they came back agai at 9 :45 Pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
MrTwister Posted December 2, 2012 Member ID: 1446 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 15 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 38 Achievement Points: 755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7, 2020 Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) Looks like it can hold up to 21 players but craps out beyond that. Edited December 2, 2012 by MrTwister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcat Posted December 2, 2012 Member ID: 122 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2843 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 2048 Achievement Points: 21919 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 15 Birthday: 10/10/1964 Device: Windows Share Posted December 2, 2012 It was running bad with only 17 players earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
JohnnyDos Posted December 2, 2012 Member ID: 77 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 111 Topic Count: 1018 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7527 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 9175 Achievement Points: 69486 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 47 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 8, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2012 When things get FROZEN they don't run well,just like people we slow down,maybe same thing here.CI stands for cold as ice.Plus it's Vietnam a warm place LOL. LordOfChaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted December 2, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 2, 2012 HMMMM pondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Astronomer Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 2069 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 24 Topic Count: 214 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2411 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 2409 Achievement Points: 18298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 12/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2023 Birthday: 08/08/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted December 4, 2012 So, we had this issue on the old server, and have it again with a different host in a different geography. What should be looked at for causation? One option is that the same issue is coincidental to two different hosts for differing and unrelated reasons. Another is that maybe the mods in the game have somehow introduced a limitation on the number of players it can handle before errors start cascading. There are 3 variables that I can see that are the same in both servers: The number of players involved before the error hits (same number for both servers), the same mods, and generally the same core majority of players. The last one is the weakest correlation as this variable fluctuates, and one player with a high ping does not negatively affect the pings of the rest of the players. My thoughts are that we need to look at the first two variables to find the source of the problem. I'm thinking that the mods have introduced a player-number limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Twinkie 13 Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 3003 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 26 Topic Count: 36 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 421 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 351 Achievement Points: 3611 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Birthday: 03/17/1979 Device: Windows Share Posted December 4, 2012 Ghost in the machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well there's server ping issues and player ping issues. 1Deerhunters image would suggest a server ping issue because it involved everybody. A player ping issue would affect only that player, those jerky guys that are hard to kill. So what caused the high ping ? 1 The game server ( This one would include the mod issue ) 2 Activisions main server (keeps trach of if the server is active who's on ect ) 3 Punk Buster ( I don't think its on) 4 Game trackers server (doughtful) So the mod both MW and the VN mods are very full. For MW I have spoken to traustic who helped create the mod and he had to remove lots of materials from the mod to get it to work with most maps. Materials would be things like your arms in game the weapon ejectod shells and so on. So the more players the more it taxes the mods limit to render the game. I found this out trying to get MW to play FT. I never asked over at the doomed Cod Utility about VN mod but it would be the same issue. Last I think Dirk mentioned the reason we did not get more player slots was because it would start playing havoc with the server. So here's a fix. Keep the sloats and remove the maps that tax the mod. Or reduce the slots by 2 at a time till we find the sweet spot. The game has a script for antilaging and I do think its turned on. // Enable the antilag routine inside the game engine (use when players with a huge difference // in ping values connect to the server) // 0 = Disabled (default), 1 = Enabled // set scr_antilag "0" it would smooth the game play for players with a ping spikes or bad connection which would probably slow the game for everyone slightly. All I got for today . Belted, Astronomer and LordOfChaos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
ENG4INE Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 1717 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 86 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 610 Achievement Points: 5298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/19/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 30, 2020 Birthday: 09/24/1984 Share Posted December 4, 2012 spam post. hi everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG4INE Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 1717 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 86 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 610 Achievement Points: 5298 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/19/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 30, 2020 Birthday: 09/24/1984 Share Posted December 4, 2012 BTW MrTwister the lady in your picture is hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruggerxi Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 6 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 184 Topic Count: 2827 Topics Per Day: 0.52 Content Count: 11898 Content Per Day: 2.21 Reputation: 12997 Achievement Points: 106532 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 123 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/25/1976 Device: Windows Share Posted December 4, 2012 Try this first, create a new mod folder, and put a stock version of the Nam mod in it, with no additions to it, just change the configs to the way you want them and see if that works, then you will know if its the changes that were done to the mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted December 4, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 4, 2012 I can try that out I need to make a spelling correction anyway - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
MrTwister Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 1446 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 15 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 38 Achievement Points: 755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7, 2020 Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Im my humble opinion I would suggest to " remove lots of materials from the mod" can anyone post a copy of the config file that we can take a peek at? Thanks Sheepdog, thats my wonderful wife... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 6, 2012 no can do you may only remove materials (and its a real painful process) pre compile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PSYCOKILLER Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 2705 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 11 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 149 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 24 Achievement Points: 954 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 14, 2013 Birthday: 07/24/1961 Share Posted December 6, 2012 well the one thing that everyone seems to not want to talk about is punkbuster which has never worked since its beginning and the fact that this game has 100s of cheats and 1000s of people using them , and the fact that half of our members can do things in the game that the other half can not do (example taking betty's through walls , cars , buildings etc. ( get one shot kills afer an opponient shoots a whole clip into their head ( having tank perks that work , [mine do not] and never have on the mod having a super low ping like 20 30 40 50 60 and then us far away at 120 130 140 150 160 170 -200 300 400 500 who don't even know what its like to play with a 50 ping , and then we have a NEW mod playing OLD maps , I think if we wanted OLD maps we would play an OLD game , its what causes a game to frag my game does and has always played like shit , plus I have lost my rank 3 times , but its not the rank that I am concerned with its the weapon attributes that I can not do without since I only play one FT server COD5 FT and all of the complainers are LOW PING players I say PUT it BACK the way that it was since it will not again bennifit me in any way I ONLY want my weapons the way that I want them , I say if you want to Run & Gun then make a run & gun server . but adding more people to an already uncontrollible server is only asking for trouble , plus I don't remember anyone asking me for my opinion or taking a poll or voting for these changes as I don't like my favorite game being fucked with especially when the changes are for the low ping players and not everyone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSYCOKILLER Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 2705 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 11 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 149 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 24 Achievement Points: 954 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 14, 2013 Birthday: 07/24/1961 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Plus an old game using a MW2 userface oh and by the way there is no Game Lobby and I have tried several times to create a weapons loadout and it kicks you out into the game before you can set a class and I am not happy at all , I come on today to play my favorite game with my friends and its gone and there is some broken game in its place , bad chocie please put it back . Edited December 6, 2012 by PSYCOKILLER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSYCOKILLER Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 2705 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 11 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 149 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 24 Achievement Points: 954 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 14, 2013 Birthday: 07/24/1961 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) And there must be something going on here because ALL XI servers have latencey problems every single one of them have CI's on every XI server , and I mean every single one on every game platform -Crysis COD BBF etc. every single day . People have always wondered how the enemy can get over to spawn so quickly , the answer ? is that the team with the higest amount of LOW PING players will actually spawn sooner in the game than the team with the most high ping players and this is the actual game cheating to the high ping players team which is no compitition or any fun for that team and is in no way considerate to Members, Friends, or Guests , which brings me to the other problem of members not being able to join a full room as the remove a non-member for a member does not work . Edited December 6, 2012 by PSYCOKILLER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majorx4 Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 2703 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 2 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 10 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/27/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 9, 2016 Birthday: 07/28/1991 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Any chance that these problems are on Activision's end? Maybe left over from the hurricane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTwister Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 1446 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 15 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 38 Achievement Points: 755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7, 2020 Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted December 6, 2012 And now for the good news: Unfortunately mods are neither perfect nor custom made to any one persons like. While I can understand it might be a minor pain in the ass to re-do our weapons, I do appreciate the attempt to make this mod better and applaud the effort. For a more exciting gameplay I would really like to see the full 26 player option in full affect and believe others would too. skuzapo, Hemps, Belted and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruggerxi Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 6 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 184 Topic Count: 2827 Topics Per Day: 0.52 Content Count: 11898 Content Per Day: 2.21 Reputation: 12997 Achievement Points: 106532 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 123 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/25/1976 Device: Windows Share Posted December 6, 2012 We are just testing to see what is causing the lag and CI's. For us having lag on all our servers, thats hard to believe, we run our server over 4 different server hosts and have the servers at different locations in the US. So in the end we wanted to test out the stock Nam server to see if the lag and Ci's were gone. Were they gone last night or was there still lag and Ci's on the server? We need your help to make the servers better and your feedback is crucial is doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 6, 2012 Ok a couple of things I can clear up here. Is it PB causeing this I'd have to say no because its not on. Betties or admin cookies. Lots of things to keep in mind. The game was designed to allow for what activision considered relizim. We have the betties set on an allowable distance to be before it explodes. Not keep in mind the materials aroung the bettie. Paper wall,brick wall wood, wall 8 inches thick or 2 inches thick or wood panel ect it all has an effect on penitration for the bettie. Add into that mess what perks the player is using. flac jacket or run faster. Makes a difference in the game big time. Tanks and stuff don't know why you can't use them check your key setup ? Hit the x key in game drivable vechiles will show up and those are the only ones that you can use. I think some tanks you may only enter from the rear. Ping well nothing we can really do about that one and I'm feeling that pain as well. I have an ok ping but now have a latency issue so I do know how it feels. OLd maps new mods. No doesn't work that way. Modern weapons and the veitnam mod have alot of work done to them, So there are limits as to how much the game engine will render for the game to play correctly. These are ussually material assests. An exploding vechile is acually 5 or 6 vechiles bundled into one and as it explodes the game engine removes one and replaces it with another that is slightlty more damaged untill you have the blown up one. Then consider the FX side flames sound ect. So the majic number is 2400 materials you go over that the game crashes because it can't render the map. You get close to that number the game slows down.Games working harder to render So then how it all works. You have an intense mod running a big map with lots of detail odds are it won't work well. 2_many_beers has done a great job sorting what maps work and do not work on what mods. They might be one or two maps that still cause issues but as they get brought to his attention they get sorted and things get better. Should of been here couple of years ago it was horrible. Now for having to redo everything. This happens when we switch the mod out which we have to do sometimes. We do not do it for no reason and do know it causes everybody to lose everything. We also assume we will lose a player or 2 doing it so we do not take it lightly. you have to take into consideration we are trying to solve a difficult problem which hard to find. If we do find it it might be the answer to all the other servers that have the same issue. Might be a worth while thing to work at. LAst one is the player redirect. Not sure what you are trying to say there? There's ussually 2 slots for members to join and kick a non member with the lowest score. I have it mentioned on the front screen and we are sorry for kicking somebody but it is an XI server and they pay for it. If it doesn't work maybe both slots were taken up already. Do you add the password before you select a server to join ? I do know it works I test it from time to time and have never heard an issue withit yet beside non member don't like it and I understand that. well thats long enough hope it helps some what. LordOfChaos and Belted 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8282 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5997 Achievement Points: 53732 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted December 6, 2012 Oh and PSYCOKILLER its ok to be pissed off that somebody messed with your game I promise you your not alone. Many players went WTF over this. Thats why we don't do it alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
FiShMaN Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 1096 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 136 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 25 Achievement Points: 789 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 2, 2016 Birthday: 02/21/1955 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't understand why you guys can't run this mod or any mod out there with a 32 man server. I run a 50 man server with the rotu2.1 with 30 zoms on it at all times with no problem and we have exploding barrels zoms that explode people joining super upgraded weapons , gets pretty chaotic at times with no problems. If I could afford it I would pick up another 32 man server as I really enjoyed playing it myself but the lag got to be very bad and the game was fun no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruggerxi Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 6 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 184 Topic Count: 2827 Topics Per Day: 0.52 Content Count: 11898 Content Per Day: 2.21 Reputation: 12997 Achievement Points: 106532 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 123 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/25/1976 Device: Windows Share Posted December 6, 2012 We can run a 64 man server of that mod ROTU with no lag also, we have in the past with no issues. There is no lag on the MW2 server anymore The only place with lag at the moment is the VT Nam freeze server, and we are working that out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
LordOfChaos Posted December 6, 2012 Member ID: 3174 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 100 Topic Count: 78 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2162 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 1645 Achievement Points: 17423 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/03/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 27, 2017 Birthday: 07/24/1957 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well there's server ping issues and player ping issues. 1Deerhunters image would suggest a server ping issue because it involved everybody. A player ping issue would affect only that player, those jerky guys that are hard to kill. So what caused the high ping ? 1 The game server ( This one would include the mod issue ) 2 Activisions main server (keeps trach of if the server is active who's on ect ) 3 Punk Buster ( I don't think its on) 4 Game trackers server (doughtful) So the mod both MW and the VN mods are very full. For MW I have spoken to traustic who helped create the mod and he had to remove lots of materials from the mod to get it to work with most maps. Materials would be things like your arms in game the weapon ejectod shells and so on. So the more players the more it taxes the mods limit to render the game. I found this out trying to get MW to play FT. I never asked over at the doomed Cod Utility about VN mod but it would be the same issue. Last I think Dirk mentioned the reason we did not get more player slots was because it would start playing havoc with the server. So here's a fix. Keep the sloats and remove the maps that tax the mod. Or reduce the slots by 2 at a time till we find the sweet spot. The game has a script for antilaging and I do think its turned on. // Enable the antilag routine inside the game engine (use when players with a huge difference // in ping values connect to the server) // 0 = Disabled (default), 1 = Enabled // set scr_antilag "0" it would smooth the game play for players with a ping spikes or bad connection which would probably slow the game for everyone slightly. All I got for today . Impressive work fellas! ty for keeping our games playable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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