crimson Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1068 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 356 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 262 Achievement Points: 3478 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/30/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12 Birthday: 07/10/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted July 11, 2011 When I built my rig 2 years ago, I wanted one but they were just too new & expensive. Now I'm thinking may be a good time. I've been looking at OCZ Vertex 3 120 & Intel 510 120Gb. Anybody have any experience with SSD drives? I'm hearing the OCZ is fast as hell but reliability is questionable. Intel is solid but a touch slower. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review Any advice would be appreciated...looking to buy maybe this week. My rig Intel I7 920 CPU Asus Rampage Gene II x58 mobo 3x2GB OCZ DDR 3 XMP RAM EVGA 260 Superclocked VGA card WD 150GB 10K Raptor NZXT Rogue Black case few other goodies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
NickTheGrip Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 177 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 16 Topic Count: 145 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1669 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 281 Achievement Points: 10581 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2023 Birthday: 05/08/1961 Device: iPhone Share Posted July 11, 2011 I don't have one but all I have heard has been positive. I think they are past the initial debug issues now. You should get around 300Mb/s on SATA II and the application start up and such will be incredilble compared to the old "platter" style Drive It's definitely the way to go, if you can afford it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SirJorge Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1983 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 13 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 81 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 22 Achievement Points: 568 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/18/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 3, 2020 Birthday: 09/04/1974 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I used the OCZ, great speeds. My pc boots up between 9 and 12 seconds. Use it just for the OS and put the rest on the other HDD. Nice setup you have. I went with an i5 thinking the i7 was a bit overkill. Have the GTX470 OC'd, 24GB of Ram, Asus Sabertooth motherboard and the antec 902 case :-) Let us know what drive u end up using and what your results are! SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaRSin Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 45 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 68 Topic Count: 981 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 9032 Content Per Day: 1.68 Reputation: 3561 Achievement Points: 65956 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 02/25/1951 Device: Windows Share Posted July 11, 2011 That's next for me as well, I here there great ,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BattlewolF Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 2028 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 12 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1740 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 545 Achievement Points: 10637 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 18 Birthday: 03/10/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted July 11, 2011 I was thinking to about it , for my son he build new pc again I7 (2600K 4x3.4 ghz) But we wait to expensive and that only for faster boot and for few gb And format not to much than he is broken And you tell boot at 9 ore 12 sec now mine pc and my son pc have not a ssd and boot in 15 sec so what the problem than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
NightmareXI Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 68 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 44 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2709 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 132 Achievement Points: 14854 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 20, 2022 Birthday: 04/13/1969 Share Posted July 11, 2011 using a Corsair CSSD F 120 GB2....like Jorge said great performance boost while starting just have a look at some windows settings like defrag and some other things....just google it LOL only OS installed and a few important progis needed at sys start up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
crimson Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1068 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 356 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 262 Achievement Points: 3478 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/30/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12 Birthday: 07/10/1967 Device: Windows Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 Yeah, from what I've read, its hard to go wrong with any SSD over platters. My i7 is really fast, seems that the drive is the bottleneck. I wish I had the Sata III capability, but even over Sata II that's hella fast compared to platter. I'll keep you posted, maybe try it out next week. I'm itchin order something for my PC, but overall extremely pleased with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SirJorge Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1983 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 13 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 81 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 22 Achievement Points: 568 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/18/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 3, 2020 Birthday: 09/04/1974 Share Posted July 11, 2011 You can't go wrong with a good SSD, btw pleasure fraggin with ya earlier today on the V2 server :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimson Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1068 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 356 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 262 Achievement Points: 3478 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/30/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 12 Birthday: 07/10/1967 Device: Windows Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 NightmareXI using a Corsair CSSD F 120 GB2....like Jorge said great performance boost while starting just have a look at some windows settings like defrag and some other things....just google it LOL only OS installed and a few important progis needed at sys start up Do you run any of your games from it? I was hoping for like insta-loading of maps, and app startup on COD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PingLo Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 1103 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 64 Topic Count: 119 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1977 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 1122 Achievement Points: 15642 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 02/08/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 16, 2013 Birthday: 01/01/2012 Share Posted July 11, 2011 crimson - Anybody have experience with SSD? When I built my rig 2 years ago, I wanted one but they were just too new & expensive. Now I'm thinking may be a good time. I've been looking at OCZ Vertex 3 120 & Intel 510 120Gb. Anybody have any experience with SSD drives? I'm hearing the OCZ is fast as hell but reliability is questionable. Intel is solid but a touch slower. Been using a pair of OCZ Vertex SSD's in a raid 0 as my boot volume for about 2 years now, no complaints, love the 9second boot times on my MacPro running OSX Server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiZiD Posted July 11, 2011 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I dont know the exact model but I have two intel ssd's in raid 0....471 meg a sec read time. Love em Remember NEVER defrag a SSD.....just a word to the wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Merlin007 Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 2068 Group: +++ COD5 Head Admin Followers: 69 Topic Count: 1075 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 8443 Content Per Day: 1.73 Reputation: 7305 Achievement Points: 75002 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 64 Joined: 12/25/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 05/23/1973 Device: Android Share Posted July 12, 2011 WiZiD I dont know the exact model but I have two intel ssd's in raid 0....471 meg a sec read time. Love em Remember NEVER defrag a SSD.....just a word to the wise. Haven't read a lot about ssd drives but since you mention it, why don't you defrag a ssd drive? Does this have anything to do about ssd drives reading and writing to the same areas of the chips thus shortening their lives by doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bushape Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 839 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1334 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 64 Achievement Points: 7776 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 12, 2020 Birthday: 07/17/1958 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I don't know anything about SSD, but I had a STD once. lol Just being an Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WiZiD Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Also XRay had mentioned something about picking a drive thst has trim software available. Helps them last longer??? Also makes them faster I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WiZiD Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Merlin007 WiZiD I dont know the exact model but I have two intel ssd's in raid 0....471 meg a sec read time. Love em Remember NEVER defrag a SSD.....just a word to the wise. Haven't read a lot about ssd drives but since you mention it, why don't you defrag a ssd drive? Does this have anything to do about ssd drives reading and writing to the same areas of the chips thus shortening their lives by doing so? I believe that is correct. Sata drives write like a vinyl record and record over itself. SSD is digital so a defrag will lessen the lifespan as it was taught to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
NightmareXI Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 68 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 44 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2709 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 132 Achievement Points: 14854 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 20, 2022 Birthday: 04/13/1969 Share Posted July 12, 2011 crimson NightmareXI using a Corsair CSSD F 120 GB2....like Jorge said great performance boost while starting just have a look at some windows settings like defrag and some other things....just google it LOL only OS installed and a few important progis needed at sys start up Do you run any of your games from it? I was hoping for like insta-loading of maps, and app startup on COD. no I dont run any games from it...120 GB is not this much LOL I have 2 pretty fast usual drives each with 1 TB inside and this works fine for me I have a shit load of progis running in the background and all I was worried about was the sys startup WiZiD Merlin007 WiZiD I dont know the exact model but I have two intel ssd's in raid 0....471 meg a sec read time. Love em Remember NEVER defrag a SSD.....just a word to the wise. Haven't read a lot about ssd drives but since you mention it, why don't you defrag a ssd drive? Does this have anything to do about ssd drives reading and writing to the same areas of the chips thus shortening their lives by doing so? I believe that is correct. Sata drives write like a vinyl record and record over itself. SSD is digital so a defrag will lessen the lifespan as it was taught to me. +1 WiZ defragging a ssd wont help with the access time but for sure it will lessen the lifespan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CobraBites Posted July 12, 2011 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted July 12, 2011 amd x6 core processor my next rig yea go amd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickeydog Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 783 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 283 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 27 Achievement Points: 1698 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/23/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 6, 2015 Birthday: 04/10/1990 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Merlin007 Haven't read a lot about ssd drives but since you mention it, why don't you defrag a ssd drive? Does this have anything to do about ssd drives reading and writing to the same areas of the chips thus shortening their lives by doing so? SSD's don't require a defrag because of the way they store data. On a classic platter drive, a fragmented file is located in multiple places on the disk. This means that the head needs to move in order to read an entire file. This causes slowdowns, because the head takes time to move into position. With an SSD, all data is instantly available, so moving between sections of the SSD is instantaneous. And as a proud owner of an SSD, all I can say is that I FUCKING LOVE IT!!! It's the best upgrade you could ever do to a computer. 10 second boot? Hell ya. Instant file/application access? Hell ya. I'm getting another one very soon so I can take the one in my desktop and put it into my laptop. I used to have the SSD in my netbook, and it felt like I was on my desktop. Everything was snappy and responsive. Going back to the 5400 OEM platter drive was like going from a 'Vette to a Prius. Plus, the batter life went from 10+ hours down to 5 hours. The hard drive consumes more power than every other device (aside from the screen) on virtually all laptops (high end laptops are the exception). Trust me on this. Get a quality SSD (Intel, OCZ, G.Skill, etc) and you will never, ever regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hickeydog Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 783 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 283 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 27 Achievement Points: 1698 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/23/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 6, 2015 Birthday: 04/10/1990 Share Posted July 15, 2011 WiZiD Also XRay had mentioned something about picking a drive thst has trim software available. Helps them last longer??? Also makes them faster I believe. TRIM makes the SSD clean out all of the old data so write times are faster. When you delete a file, it's not really deleted, on any drive. When you delete a drive, you're actually telling the controller that those sectors are now available for data. When new data is ready to be written to a drive, the controller puts that data into the sectors. On a platter drive, the head can simply write the data directly to the platter. On an SSD, the data in that sector needs to be removed before new data is written. This makes write times slow down. TRIM goes through and removes the data in the sectors marked for deletion, so when new data is sent to those sectors, it can be directly written. The drive doesn't have to remove the old data first. This keeps write times up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CplMOFO Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 1924 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1012 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 101 Achievement Points: 5864 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 21, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1973 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Good points Hickeydog! If I can add something to that, is that the TRIM command is not passed in every situation. If order to have TRIM enabled, you need few "ingredients": -Windows 7 -A TRIM supported SSD (all recent ones are AFAIK), unless you run a first-gen SSD (older that 2 years)... -A motherboard that has a STORAGE CONTROLLER (read hard drive controller) that supports the TRIM command...(keep in mind that SOME older AMD chipsets don't support TRIM) -The motherboard that supports TRIM has to be set to AHCI mode for the TRIM command to be passed... NOTE TO THE PERFORMANCE FREAKS and/or WEALTHY: -If you plan on setting up two SSDs for RAID 0 (for ultra speeds), TRIM won't be working... If your gear doesn't support TRIM (or you haven't migrated to Win7 yet) not everything is lost. There is some existing 'manual" ways to clean the SSD drive (to keep it's performance up to snuff). NOTE ON RECENT SSD SCREW-UPS: The is a newer SSD controller made by a company named SANDFORCE that seems to be acting bad...several SSD brands are using SANDFORCEcontrollers in their SSDs. As mentioned on several tech forums and by a lot of users, the SNDFORCE 2200-series controller seem to go bad...(I think it's the 2281 model) So, if you're on the market for an SSD, please read some reviews on the product! -Right now, all recent Crucial C300 and up and Intel SSDs are ok, all Indilinx-based drives are safe (yet not as fast), the older gen-Sandforce drives are ok.... Your mileage may vary, but SSDs are one of the blessings of the computer hardware world. It removed one of the major bottleneck of recent computers history: ACCESS TIMES/BOOT TIMES... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CanadianIce Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 2498 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 28 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 180 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: Never Birthday: 09/21/1969 Share Posted July 15, 2011 How in the hell do you get it to boot in 10 seconds? The best I can manage with everything turned off in MSCONFIG ->Startup is 28 seconds. I'm running windows 7 Ultimate 64. BUT, with that said, I'm always one of the first two or three people in a map. HOWEVER, Bomber, who we all know and love (NOT!!! LOL) is running platter HDDs and he's always in before me. Not sure how that's possible, but he is. I run all my Steam apps off my SSD. Between that and my OS, that's all that's on it. All my other software goes onto regular drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerejon Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30 Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted July 15, 2011 I have 2 128 gig samsung ssd's in a raid configuration.... I dont know about trim, or anything....but i dl'd a program called crystal disk info and it doesnt show my drives at all...so i go into device manager and all it says is "disk drive" So i have ssd's, dont boot in ten seconds but otherwise it "seems" pretty speedy...but how can i check like access times, writes, temps all the shit Iwant to know but dont know what to do with...lol...any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
deerejon Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30 Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted July 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WiZiD Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 804 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 32 Topic Count: 446 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3600 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 1053 Achievement Points: 24386 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/28/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 7, 2020 Birthday: 04/25/1960 Share Posted July 15, 2011 CrystalDiskMark is what I use to measure read/write speeds http://majorgeeks.com/CrystalDiskMark_d5574.html This is cpuid hardware monitor...temps for video, cpu, north bridge, and some other temps. not to sure about hard drive temps tho..... http://majorgeeks.com/HWMonitor_d5842.html My SSD's are for the OS and Crysis wars. The only game I play so far. Try installing the game you play the most on your SSD drive. It should make it a lot faster to play and load. (note)I never liked steam as I have had nothing but problems with that. I just buy the game(disk) and install it directly...(just an opinion on that) Thanks to those who explained what trim was for as I was not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CplMOFO Posted July 15, 2011 Member ID: 1924 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1012 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 101 Achievement Points: 5864 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 21, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1973 Share Posted July 15, 2011 You can google TONY-TRIM, as an alternate (and manual) way to clean non TRIM drives... For the 10 seconds boot, it's got to be from the mobo's splash screen to the "ready to use Win7)...it's probably not from the moment you hit the power button.... Basically, the moment you hit the power button, the motherboard starts running it's checks (you can disable most checks from the BIOS). Then, after the self-checking routine, you get to the mobo's splash screen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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