Honest Opinion From People Who Have Been Suicidal Before

[noob]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I know what you mean about the alcholic, I had only gotten out of the hospital 3 months before I started dating that girl, I learned an assload of life lessons, like 1 don't put someone before yourself who isn't family, and make sure to take care of yourself, 3 not everyone can be helped, 4 god will never give you too much to handle, 5 what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, 6 what you get out of life is based on how much you put in, i'm not on the edge I was a year ago I have very good memory that is how I was able to keep most of the emotion in the story

[Cavey]

Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. However is a gaming community website really the place to be discussing this?

HAHA CASE IN POINT--- CAVEY you over-achieving fucker!! Love it---see.....be like Cavey, even his sig says "SHUT THE FUCK UP I'M GONNA KICK SOME ASS!!Even though he is only 4ft 3 and his penis...well we wont go there.LOL

 

Hmmm, I hope you're not getting personal, lol

 

Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. However is a gaming community website really the place to be discussing this?

is it hurting or helping. We talk about lots of things. Personal and other. No disrespect but if this help ruso.... who btw is a great guy. Many of us have information and if this helps......... that is what XI is about. Just my opinion. Ruso... you are a great guy. Glad I know you.

 

I know we talk about lots of things here, but there are plenty that shouldn't be talked about on a GAMING Clan website. Examples are the Politics forum, which always ends up in arguements. Also Gay bashing topics, and also topics about Suicide. I know Ruso is a good guy, but it doesn't mean this should be discussed here. Maybe through the PM system is better, though I would probably recommend talking about it on an appropriate website that people who want to read and discuss this, and would actively look up that kind of website in a Google search.

 

This is just my opinion.

[PingLo]

Maybe ... PM .... Google.

 

This is just my opinion.

 

PM google, really?

[hxtr]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I will disagree on part of this.... if you go to an AA meeting, it is run by alcoholics. Alcoholics understand better than anyone.

 

Hanging with someone who is depressed and giving good advice or just support is great therapy. This Idiot talking to you Idiots is good therapy as well.

 

Spread the knowledge... if you have insight on something.... it can help someone big time.

[BigPapaDean]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I will disagree on part of this.... if you go to an AA meeting, it is run by alcoholics. Alcoholics understand better than anyone.

 

Hanging with someone who is depressed and giving good advice or just support is great therapy. This Idiot talking to you Idiots is good therapy as well.

 

Spread the knowledge... if you have insight on something.... it can help someone big time.

I agree hxtr. I remember how shut off from my family and friends because they didn't understand nor did they want to. When I talk about my situation its not to get attention but to let people know there is a world out there that is detached because society a=has put them in a back room out of site and that way we don't have to be reminded about the people that got that way because shit happened to them that was more than their minds could handle. This makes a great way for us to support each other. If you don't wanna read it that's your decision not mine!

[Cavey]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I will disagree on part of this.... if you go to an AA meeting, it is run by alcoholics. Alcoholics understand better than anyone.

 

Hanging with someone who is depressed and giving good advice or just support is great therapy. This Idiot talking to you Idiots is good therapy as well.

 

Spread the knowledge... if you have insight on something.... it can help someone big time.

I agree hxtr. I remember how shut off from my family and friends because they didn't understand nor did they want to. When I talk about my situation its not to get attention but to let people know there is a world out there that is detached because society a=has put them in a back room out of site and that way we don't have to be reminded about the people that got that way because shit happened to them that was more than their minds could handle. This makes a great way for us to support each other. If you don't wanna read it that's your decision not mine!

 

Urrrh, I doubt AA is run by alcoholics, but rather ex alcoholics. Otherwise no-one would go.

[BigPapaDean]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I will disagree on part of this.... if you go to an AA meeting, it is run by alcoholics. Alcoholics understand better than anyone.

 

Hanging with someone who is depressed and giving good advice or just support is great therapy. This Idiot talking to you Idiots is good therapy as well.

 

Spread the knowledge... if you have insight on something.... it can help someone big time.

I agree hxtr. I remember how shut off from my family and friends because they didn't understand nor did they want to. When I talk about my situation its not to get attention but to let people know there is a world out there that is detached because society a=has put them in a back room out of site and that way we don't have to be reminded about the people that got that way because shit happened to them that was more than their minds could handle. This makes a great way for us to support each other. If you don't wanna read it that's your decision not mine!

 

Urrrh, I doubt AA is run by alcoholics, but rather ex alcoholics. Otherwise no-one would go.

Now I am not an alcoholic so this is simply hearsay on my part. I believe AA teaches that there are no ex alcoholics just recovering ones. So if that is indid is the case alcoholics is running AA and its that fact that brings other alcoholics to their meetings!

[hxtr]

Ruso bro, to try and help suicidal people when you are depressed, or on the edge , is like an alcoholic working at a vodka factory.It only validates the negatives that you also see. If you were over your state this subject wouldn't even be brought up by you. I know this isn't psych 4 forum but nobody in >XI< wants to see anyone hurt or fail no matter--I know all these guy's and gals and they ALL care or they wouldn't be taking their time to write anything if they didn't--so.... +#1

#2 quit wallowing in it and surround yourself with positive people. Positive people tend to associate with positive people and bring each other up, and vice versa.

You have many things that are great but you focus on what you don't or "should" have. It is a process but just try and think about when something makes you feel bad--which is where your brain will go directly when a problem arises, and divert it--think about what a good thing that --maybe this happened to test me and see if I can overcome this....and you will, and the more you do that the easier it becomes. To try and make others feel better when you hurt ,is temporary, but to make yourself feel better so as to help other people, will change everyone's life.

I will disagree on part of this.... if you go to an AA meeting, it is run by alcoholics. Alcoholics understand better than anyone.

 

Hanging with someone who is depressed and giving good advice or just support is great therapy. This Idiot talking to you Idiots is good therapy as well.

 

Spread the knowledge... if you have insight on something.... it can help someone big time.

I agree hxtr. I remember how shut off from my family and friends because they didn't understand nor did they want to. When I talk about my situation its not to get attention but to let people know there is a world out there that is detached because society a=has put them in a back room out of site and that way we don't have to be reminded about the people that got that way because shit happened to them that was more than their minds could handle. This makes a great way for us to support each other. If you don't wanna read it that's your decision not mine!

 

Urrrh, I doubt AA is run by alcoholics, but rather ex alcoholics. Otherwise no-one would go.

Now I am not an alcoholic so this is simply hearsay on my part. I believe AA teaches that there are no ex alcoholics just recovering ones. So if that is indid is the case alcoholics is running AA and its that fact that brings other alcoholics to their meetings!

Yep that is correct.. once an alcoholic always a alcoholic. Everyone in AA will admit that if they are there for help.

[Cavey]

Isn't a recovering alcoholic someone who has given up alcohol, and a alcoholic some who hasn't and still needs it.

 

That's also bullshit that once an alcoholic always one. So people who haven't drunk for 10/20 years are still tarnished with being still an alcoholic. Hxtr you do come up with some bollocks. You might as well say the same about smokers.

[BigPapaDean]

Cavey the problem is alcoholism isnt something you are healed from. It is always a problem even if you leave it alone for 30 yrs. If you have a drink you fall again! This is not bollocks! It is true! and the reason they teach them this is because they will know that they can never have another swig or shot of it again!

[BigPapaDean]

Sorry Ruso didnt mean to hijack this post. We have gotten off track here!

[hxtr]

Isn't a recovering alcoholic someone who has given up alcohol, and a alcoholic some who hasn't and still needs it.

 

That's also bullshit that once an alcoholic always one. So people who haven't drunk for 10/20 years are still tarnished with being still an alcoholic. Hxtr you do come up with some bollocks. You might as well say the same about smokers.

AA is alcoholics but alcoholics that understand it is a daily struggle. You have 12 steps you complete and in that time many start to lead, teach and guide others. A sponsor. Your sponsor is like you big brother. You have constant contact with this person. No cost.. it is 100% volunteer driven. You feel you need a drink the sponsor acknowledges yes you do... but you dont need to and support words for that moment and will many time drive to ones house or where they are at to support them. One of the only non profit orgs i 100% support because it is not about profits...... but just maintaining.

 

They understand it is a constant struggle as even the most seasoned drinkers in AA go back to drinking sometime or another then they go back to AA to have people that understand them and will still support them even though they fucked up.

 

Hope this helps.

[hxtr]

Sorry Ruso didnt mean to hijack this post. We have gotten off track here!

but it explains a point that it is better at time to have people that understand what you have. This stuff is very complicated. life situations can cause lots of things and some if not many are hereditary. I am pretty versed in this subject.... i have experience.

 

The professionals dont always understand.... they just push drugs. It is better for you to understand the drugs first and understand the effects. In my opinion. I dont like being someones ginny pig but I dont mind making myself a ginny pig to figure something out.

[noob]

the other thing about depression and being sucidal is there is usually mutiple factors and complications that have to be considered, when I got hospitalized the first day I had to take 3 different scantron test they were 400+ questions, eighty questions, 200 question tests to anaylze If i had been absued, what my psychological make up was, etc, etc

Edited May 13, 2012 by ruso44thenoob

[hxtr]

the other thing about depression and being sucidal is there is usually mutiple factors and complications that have to be considered, when I got hospitalized the first day I had to take 3 different scantron test they were 400+ questions, eighty questions, 200 question tests to anaylze If i had been absued, what my psychological make up was, etc, etc

Look at dogs for example. Give a dog a good structure and you likely get a good dog. Now go beat that dog everyday and what happens to that dogs personality. It changes. Edited May 13, 2012 by hxtr

[Hell_onHeelz]

You gave alot of information, but im sure theres alot more then what you said...

 

But from what I can tell you were in an abusive relationship...abuse ranges beyond verbal or physical.

 

Her threatening suicide if you leave is a huge signal of an abusove person...she was mentally abusing you.

 

I will take a shot in the dark and say your parents were probably abusove aswell....you mom got mad when you had an asthma attack!?

 

Feeling guilt and helplessness as a child!? You were a kid...your parents should take care of you...NOT the other way around!

 

Sounds like you suffer from a cycle of abuse...suicide is not the issue it is only a symptom of a bigger problem..if you dont get help and focus on your co-dependency and pattern of falling into abusive relationships...you will continue finding other manipulative people who will only bring you down. Its a circle that you need to break. You can not control others happiness, only your own. Let people think what they will about you and try to stay true to yourself.

 

This girl wasnt suicidal...she was seeking attention and it worked on you....people who are suicidal dont go around screaming to all who will hear, they sit silently in their room and take their life or at least try.

 

Life is hard...we make bad choices, we get hurt, people let us down...we can either fall into the spiral of depression and let it consume us or we can rise above it and try to make a difference. The world is a big place where people are suffering more then we can ever fathom...no matter how hard we think we have it there are others going through worse...

 

We all have the potential to be someone great...even if its just to one person...but you have to believe in yourself first and avoid those people who seek to bring us down....surround yourself with people who are happy, people who lift you up, those who want to be in your life without an agenda. When you surround yourself with people like that you will find yourself happier amd capable of great things.

 

Good luck with your future...know that you can and will and just do it!

 

Sry for any typos im on my phone

[IceMan NZ]

Hey Ruso, I think its great you want to help people feeling suicidal, really says alot about the kind of person you are.

hearing other peoples storys, and how they pulled though can really help someone, because getting told something like toughen up mate dosent help when your feeling that way.

 

Ive had a couple of friends that have been affected by suicide, and have felt that way meself earler in my life when some shit was going on.

[DREAD69]

Tune in for Drama Central.

You sure do know the time and place!

[noob]

i got 1k youtube views as of yesterday , and have 320+ unique youtube views , and I'm working with this guy from the generationofhope, and this other guy were making a google group where people who are trying to help can talk about helping people, and have like a list of people they can contact for help

Edited June 3, 2012 by ruso44thenoob

[noob]

there 4 have highest view rate/ or highest audience retention rate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4AkBgnC5nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHH1AI8Pf9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCR2XGdYybo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6RjcoRnhfM

[noob]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/worldwide-unconditional-love

[loaderXI]

Been here b4....Ruso sounds great to help others by reaching out...Some people are right on the edge...I have seen misery up close and it can pull at your pant leg... can also lead to depression which in turn leads to other health issues...Sometimes its seems life is too hard and some look for ways out be it drugs/drink and many more forms...

But you know what as I have said sometimes all we need to do is look around and then we see it is not always about us but rather those around us...Tell ya I ministered in church for over 15 years as a worker..

It saved my life and held my family together...No man is perfect no not one....Helping others will indeed help yourself...Everyday is your chance to make a difference for someone as well as yourself....Sow good karma receive good karma

[Sweatnbullets]

Wow! Heavy stuff on XI forum forsure, Ruso glad to hear things are going better for ya. Bigmeandean and Roguekill, Loader, had some awesome advice, post on this forum, or reread some stuff if you get in trouble. I have seen it all in my life, fortunatly Anxiety, not depression has been my trouble on Occasion, but my friends and family have suffered all kinds of horrors, as a former member of AA I have learned some amazing things: KISS keep it simple stupid{over-analyzing shit will make you nutso}, AND ONE DAY AT A TIME, not just words but a lifestyle choice. Do have balance in your life, only spend as much time helping others as possible without destroying yourself.

Hang out with positive people, as Rogue said. Spend time having fun, and Exercise, it is better for the brain than you could imagine, it fights depression... read: Tuesdays with Morrie Go to counseling.. take care Man, and don"t forget to laugh..........

[noob]

I've been, I play halo with one of my best friends 1 night a week, and I excerise daily

[Tball]

Isn't a recovering alcoholic someone who has given up alcohol, and a alcoholic some who hasn't and still needs it.

 

That's also bullshit that once an alcoholic always one. So people who haven't drunk for 10/20 years are still tarnished with being still an alcoholic. Hxtr you do come up with some bollocks. You might as well say the same about smokers.

AA is alcoholics but alcoholics that understand it is a daily struggle. You have 12 steps you complete and in that time many start to lead, teach and guide others. A sponsor. Your sponsor is like you big brother. You have constant contact with this person. No cost.. it is 100% volunteer driven. You feel you need a drink the sponsor acknowledges yes you do... but you dont need to and support words for that moment and will many time drive to ones house or where they are at to support them. One of the only non profit orgs i 100% support because it is not about profits...... but just maintaining.

 

They understand it is a constant struggle as even the most seasoned drinkers in AA go back to drinking sometime or another then they go back to AA to have people that understand them and will still support them even though they fucked up.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Hxtr Sounds like your a friend of Bill W's ?

 

 

Do you know what the difference is between an alcoholic and an addict?

 

An alcoholic will steal your wallet and walk away an addict will steal your wallet and help you look for it