Pharticus Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 1320 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 7 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 611 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 357 Achievement Points: 4498 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 10, 2020 Birthday: 01/14/1976 Share Posted February 14, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnOBfCmled8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
loaderXI Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 252 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 71 Topic Count: 392 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 6418 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 6495 Achievement Points: 54343 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 30 Joined: 09/05/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 03/22/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted February 14, 2014 Cold blooded murder right there !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Gatorgirl Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 2986 Group: ++++ Senior Admin Followers: 206 Topic Count: 384 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6454 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 7140 Achievement Points: 50699 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 04:10 AM Birthday: 12/19/1967 Device: iPhone Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Wow, ever heard of a taser????? I know it's dangerous work, but that situation surely could have been handled differently IMO Sad. Edited February 14, 2014 by Gatorgirl eidolonFIRE, loaderXI and deerejon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Onyx Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 7547 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 16 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 621 Achievement Points: 5030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4, 2020 Birthday: 07/10/1984 Share Posted February 14, 2014 IMO as the officer wasn't backed into a corner he can't have feared for his life and so shouldn't have fired. Lethal force is a last resort. That situation didn't call for it loaderXI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted February 14, 2014 One shot would have been enough to stop him. There was no need to empty half his mag into him. However in fairness the guy was suicidal and might have had 'suicide by cop' in mind. Jedi-Jack, eidolonFIRE, CobraBites and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Onyx Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 7547 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 16 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 621 Achievement Points: 5030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4, 2020 Birthday: 07/10/1984 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The cop, being the sane one, should have had an idea how that situation was going to unfold. Why bother going in to try and stop him comitting suicide by killing him? loaderXI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Yeah I'd call that suicide by cop too. We've all seen video of guys getting tazed and it hardly phases them. When somebody is coming at you with a knife, you have to make a fast decision, and that cop did. Edited February 14, 2014 by little_old_man widowmaker and Unarmed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Blackbart Posted February 14, 2014 Member ID: 51 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 342 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5974 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 3766 Achievement Points: 45818 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 06/26/1949 Share Posted February 14, 2014 From a legal standpoint I would say justifiable...The guy was armed, failed to obey a law full command to disarm and was advancing towards the officer...Do I think it could have been handled non lethally?...Absolutely...The officer could have retreated to the outside of the premises...Called back-up and used non lethal means (taser or bean bag rounds) to subdue... :) deerejon, Gatorgirl, loaderXI and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Onyx Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 7547 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 16 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 621 Achievement Points: 5030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4, 2020 Birthday: 07/10/1984 Share Posted February 15, 2014 A fast decision and IMO the wrong one. There was no need to enter the house armed only with a lethal weapon to try and prevent a suicide. As a trained officer he knew what was likely to happen and shouldn't have put himself in that predicament. And don't think I'm anti police, my brother is a cop. I just don't see how putting yourself in a position where shooting him to prevent suicide makes any sense or can be legal or justified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Damage_inc- Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 2048 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 294 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 6689 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 4709 Achievement Points: 48999 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/15/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted February 15, 2014 one shot to the leg is justified- .that is murder- Scoarch, Onyx, J3st3r and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Onyx Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 7547 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 16 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 714 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 621 Achievement Points: 5030 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 4, 2020 Birthday: 07/10/1984 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The only thing I'll say in his defence is, cops are trained to shoot at the mid section as it's the largest area and easiest to hit. The whole leg shot and shoulder shot only happens in films Pharticus and Blackbart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Blackbart Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 51 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 51 Topic Count: 342 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5974 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 3766 Achievement Points: 45818 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 06/26/1949 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The only thing I'll say in his defence is, cops are trained to shoot at the mid section as it's the largest area and easiest to hit. The whole leg shot and shoulder shot only happens in films That is correct...If the decision to shoot is made then you shoot at center mass and shoot until the gun is empty... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted February 15, 2014 suicide by cop The cop VERY CLEARLY stated that he would open fire. However, it is F'd up that the cop basically went into the guy's home and shot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidolonFIRE Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted February 15, 2014 That is correct...If the decision to shoot is made then you shoot at center mass and shoot until the gun is empty... :) Yea, cause if they only wound the guy they get sued to oblivion Scoarch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted February 15, 2014 Yea, cause if they only wound the guy they get sued to oblivion Well in this particular case you can bet the wife will do the suing. Doesnt mean she has a case, but that is why we have courts. CobraBites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CobraBites Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted February 15, 2014 One shot would have been enough to stop him. There was no need to empty half his mag into him. However in fairness the guy was suicidal and might have had 'suicide by cop' in mind. i was goin to say same thing....i think the cop was in the right for firing ...but as sametime like sammy says ...one bullet woulda been good enough..not 6 shots...but im guessing that it will be considered self defense and the cop wont be in trouble he did warnd the guy more than once...and trust me not that i back this cop on this..i cant stand cops tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraBites Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Yea, cause if they only wound the guy they get sued to oblivion even if it was only one bullet a lawsuit be struck down and case dismissd...the cop gave the warning and the man didnt listen cop doesnt know what that guys intentions are with the knife it was clearly self defense no matter how many bullets he fired...was 6 shots warranted probably not...but she wouldnt have a case in either scenerio trust me i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerejon Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Tuesday at 06:09 PM Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted February 15, 2014 Bad decision...period....there were plenty of opportunities to handle it differently....the cop got carried away with himself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted February 15, 2014 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 07:41 AM Device: Windows Share Posted February 15, 2014 one shot to the leg is justified- .that is murder- I agree with Damage here, why don't they ever try to shoot them in the legs and disable them, i suppose it's easy for us to say that not being in the Cop's position but it always seems to be a kill shot. CobraBites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastiffking Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 3506 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 11 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 109 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 106 Achievement Points: 939 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 17, 2023 Birthday: 12/09/1974 Share Posted February 16, 2014 (edited) If I may...have any of you been in this situation? He was threatening suicide( which is a Crime) and was given multiple attempts to come out and talk to the officer. In addition, the officer warned him, gave him a lawful command, and he choose the wrong action. I agree that it could have been handled less lethally, but how far do we follow that rabbit hole. Is someone going to tell me that I should retreat in my home if an intruder enters. Same principle applies here. Yes the officer was threatened. Should we tell the officer to wait until the aggressor is within striking distance? Legally, he was justified imo, but before you judge, try to put yourself in that position. In the end quite a shitty position for all involved. Edited February 16, 2014 by Mastiffking eidolonFIRE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
eidolonFIRE Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 2759 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 17 Topic Count: 199 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3496 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3021 Achievement Points: 26464 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 08/22/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 16, 2017 Birthday: 07/27/1990 Share Posted February 16, 2014 If I may...have any of you been in this situation? He was threatening suicide( which is a Crime) and was given multiple attempts to come out and talk to the officer. In addition, the officer warned him, gave him a lawful command, and he choose the wrong action. I agree that it could have been handled less lethally, but how far do we follow that rabbit hole. Is someone going to tell me that I should retreat in my home if an intruder enters. Same principle applies here. Yes the officer was threatened. Should we tell the officer to wait until the aggressor is within striking distance? Legally, he was justified imo, but before you judge, try to put yourself in that position. In the end quite a shitty position for all involved. Yep, cops have families to go back to too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraBites Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I agree with Damage here, why don't they ever try to shoot them in the legs and disable them, i suppose it's easy for us to say that not being in the Cop's position but it always seems to be a kill shot. well one shot shoulda been suffient but sure the cop was just reacting when he fired 6 shots...one shot in the shoulder of the knife holding side or shot in leg but cops are traind to aim high while just warning ppl...so that the gun is seen ...but cops have to make quick snap decisions so i believe its more of reaction then anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14885 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7825 Achievement Points: 91081 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted February 16, 2014 Now this pretty we'll has given me an ulcer. My oldest is graduating university this May with a Nursing degree and it looks very much like she will be leaving Canada and moving to the Coeur d' Alene area. I know this type of shooting was justified but violence like this is something we are not use to.. Worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sonovabich Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 07:41 AM Device: Windows Share Posted February 16, 2014 I love hearing "suicide is a crime" just how they gonna prosecute someone who off's themselves anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonovabich Posted February 16, 2014 Member ID: 82 Group: ** Registered Users Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1534 Topics Per Day: 0.29 Content Count: 5020 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 5171 Achievement Points: 131490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 116 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 07:41 AM Device: Windows Share Posted February 16, 2014 well one shot shoulda been suffient but sure the cop was just reacting when he fired 6 shots...one shot in the shoulder of the knife holding side or shot in leg but cops are traind to aim high while just warning ppl...so that the gun is seen ...but cops have to make quick snap decisions so i believe its more of reaction then anything Yeah it's the same over here cops are trained to kill not to wound (seems a bit strange they can't teach them to differentiate in certain situations) in the UK it is usually 3 shots 2 to the body and 1 to the head i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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