I found these beautiful cars today whilst at work

[Totty]

A customer of mine who is a car enthusiast has asked me to wire up his new shed.

This is what I was welcomed with when I arrived .

Absolutely beautiful. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BUDMAN]

That's one hell of a shed!!

[Totty]

38 minutes ago, BUDMAN said:

That's one hell of a shed!!

It certainly beats most mid Devon sheds, They are usually held together with baler twine 

[TBB]

Nice shots - thanks for sharing.

[WeednFeed]

Totty are you an electrician?

[Totty]

6 hours ago, WeednFeed said:

Totty are you an electrician?

Yes I am, I'm an electrical engineer and a domestic appliance engineer.

 

[ALanHim]

7 hours ago, Totty said:

Yes I am, I'm an electrical engineer and a domestic appliance engineer.

 

I'd love to see what the average electrical box looks like there. Brands of barkers, type of wire.. you know cool stuff.  I was an apprentice for 2 years but I never planned to continue doing electrical though it was great getting the experience. Texas heat made it a no go for long term job. Spend an hour in a attic on a hot day and you'll understand why. That crap will kill you. 

What I really would be interested in is how you run wire in very old large Rock building or homes. I can image some strange fishing scenarios you trying to get  a wire from point A to point B. With wood we drill a hole in the top plate to get between the wall. What if all Rock?

[Totty]

1 hour ago, ALanHim said:

I'd love to see what the average electrical box looks like there. Brands of barkers, type of wire.. you know cool stuff.  I was an apprentice for 2 years but I never planned to continue doing electrical though it was great getting the experience. Texas heat made it a no go for long term job. Spend an hour in a attic on a hot day and you'll understand why. That crap will kill you. 

What I really would be interested in is how you run wire in very old large Rock building or homes. I can image some strange fishing scenarios you trying to get  a wire from point A to point B. With wood we drill a hole in the top plate to get between the wall. What if all Rock?

This shed is being supplied by a 50mm 5core SWA. This is to supply it at 100 Amp 3 Phase with minimal voltage drop, as the building further downstream will be an office with sensitive electronics inside.

This building will have a Hager JK12SPD board which is a 3 phase board (380V which used to be 415V before regs changes) and domestic properties have a single phase supply (230v which used to be 240V before regs changes )

We have stone buildings here but the majority are plastered on the inside so we use cable channeling to cover cables and protect them from the mortar mix. Most outlets on a property like this will have flush outlets and switches

I have had bare granite barn conversions which were wired in galvanised trunking with galvanised conduit drops, with surface services like outlets and switches

Running cables can be a nightmare in some old buildings as they tend to be very fragile which often causes damage to floors and ceilings just by disturbing them. Old ceilings over here are made up of lime plaster with horsehair in it and that is plastered over thin slots of wood we call laths

[ALanHim]

7 hours ago, Totty said:

This shed is being supplied by a 50mm 5core SWA. This is to supply it at 100 Amp 3 Phase with minimal voltage drop, as the building further downstream will be an office with sensitive electronics inside.

This building will have a Hager JK12SPD board which is a 3 phase board (380V which used to be 415V before regs changes) and domestic properties have a single phase supply (230v which used to be 240V before regs changes )

We have stone buildings here but the majority are plastered on the inside so we use cable channeling to cover cables and protect them from the mortar mix. Most outlets on a property like this will have flush outlets and switches

I have had bare granite barn conversions which were wired in galvanised trunking with galvanised conduit drops, with surface services like outlets and switches

Running cables can be a nightmare in some old buildings as they tend to be very fragile which often causes damage to floors and ceilings just by disturbing them. Old ceilings over here are made up of lime plaster with horsehair in it and that is plastered over thin slots of wood we call laths

I guess a bit like this stuff? 100 amp 3 phase at 220v is quite a bit of power. 5mm is only 18 awg here. I am very surprised it's that small of wire. I would think nothing less than 12 awg. 



Not doing electrical but networking cable, we ran wire in a old Library and it was hell running wire in that old building from the basement. I can only image some old rock places. 

Cool stuff Totty. Thanks for sharing. 

I

[Totty]

7 hours ago, ALanHim said:

I guess a bit like this stuff? 100 amp 3 phase at 220v is quite a bit of power. 5mm is only 18 awg here. I am very surprised it's that small of wire. I would think nothing less than 12 awg. 



Not doing electrical but networking cable, we ran wire in a old Library and it was hell running wire in that old building from the basement. I can only image some old rock places. 

Cool stuff Totty. Thanks for sharing. 

I

50mm , not 5 mm. 50mm has a current carrying capacity of around 220 amps

Over here we have ring circuits for socket outlets which is 2 x 2.5mm and that is rated at 32 amps.

 

[KaptCrunch]

if 5mm   we call it a fuse link  in between 50mm

cause its 220v if were  120v the amps are bigger close to half of 220v

Edited August 1, 2024 by KaptCrunch

[KaptCrunch]

On 7/30/2024 at 12:52 PM, Totty said:

It certainly beats most mid Devon sheds, They are usually held together with baler twine 

lets hope he had controlled heated floor to stop mold from growing 

[ALanHim]

21 hours ago, Totty said:

This shed is being supplied by a 50mm 5core SWA. This is to supply it at 100 Amp 3 Phase with minimal voltage drop, as the building further downstream will be an office with sensitive electronics inside.

This building will have a Hager JK12SPD board which is a 3 phase board (380V which used to be 415V before regs changes) and domestic properties have a single phase supply (230v which used to be 240V before regs changes )

We have stone buildings here but the majority are plastered on the inside so we use cable channeling to cover cables and protect them from the mortar mix. Most outlets on a property like this will have flush outlets and switches

I have had bare granite barn conversions which were wired in galvanised trunking with galvanised conduit drops, with surface services like outlets and switches

Running cables can be a nightmare in some old buildings as they tend to be very fragile which often causes damage to floors and ceilings just by disturbing them. Old ceilings over here are made up of lime plaster with horsehair in it and that is plastered over thin slots of wood we call laths

Oh crap that makes lots more sense. I apologies Totty I'm super Dysl3xic so my eye sees what it wants at times. I think this 5  after the 50 or me not seeing the Zero after the 5 screwed me up. It becomes a mystery at times how how I get things wrong. 

Not sure if this MM2 chart is correct but if it is then it looks like 50mm might be 1 or 2 AWG. 

 

Then I search for the size of 1 AWG at is 7mm. I am confused which is not hard to do. 

 

Is the entire cable 50mm or each strand of 5? Maybe that's where I am confused. But I am confused. You can tell because no joke at the end of this. 

[Totty]

According to google 50mm is equivelent to 1/0 AWG .

50mm is the cross sectional area of each conductor 

I've copy/pasted from google a statement about 50mm flexible tails , IE a single conductor, The SWA armoured cable has 5 of these conductors

50mm Single Core H07RN-F Cable is a form of electrical cable that has a rubber sheathing, making it very flexible, therefore making it perfect for almost any installation. The size 50mm refers to the cross-sectional diameter of the core, the overall diameter of the cable is 17.2mm

 

17mm is equivelent to 11/16 inch

I shall grab a picture when the off cut comes back to base as my lads are continuing the install whilst I repair appliances

[ALanHim]

20 hours ago, Totty said:

According to google 50mm is equivelent to 1/0 AWG .

50mm is the cross sectional area of each conductor 

I've copy/pasted from google a statement about 50mm flexible tails , IE a single conductor, The SWA armoured cable has 5 of these conductors

50mm Single Core H07RN-F Cable is a form of electrical cable that has a rubber sheathing, making it very flexible, therefore making it perfect for almost any installation. The size 50mm refers to the cross-sectional diameter of the core, the overall diameter of the cable is 17.2mm

 

17mm is equivelent to 11/16 inch

I shall grab a picture when the off cut comes back to base as my lads are continuing the install whilst I repair appliances

I looked up that cable and I've seen lots of cables but I have never seen one as heavy duty as that armored cable. Very nice. It must cost a lot per foot or meter or however you measure cable. 
 

Then again I'm no cable expert either.. only seen lots of cable and worked with some. 

[Totty]

Oh yes pretty heavy stuff, not as big as what was used last year at the garden centre I wired. 

160mm 5 core SWA that was going where it wanted lol I had no control over where it sat, I set the distribution board and sub board up around where that cable sat happy 

[Totty]

I went there this afternoon to connect and set up the roller shutter doors.

But as usual on this site I got distracted.

Look at this beauty, If i remember correctly it's a '57 Ford Ranch wagen that was customised in the USA and was imported and is used as a drag racing car over here.

He does drive this on the road occasionally even with those tyres lol.

This guy is my kind of customer

[Totty]

9 hours ago, ALanHim said:

I looked up that cable and I've seen lots of cables but I have never seen one as heavy duty as that armored cable. Very nice. It must cost a lot per foot or meter or however you measure cable. 
 

Then again I'm no cable expert either.. only seen lots of cable and worked with some. 

£34.50 (44.18 USD ) Per metre (3 1/3 ft) plus vat (20%) is what it has been charged out at and this install is 80 metres long (262.467 ft)

[ALanHim]

That's a good run for that size of cable. Fairly expensive cable but not bad for todays prices. 

This car is cool. They did a nice job on it.  

40 minutes ago, Totty said:

I went there this afternoon to connect and set up the roller shutter doors.

But as usual on this site I got distracted.

Look at this beauty, If i remember correctly it's a '57 Ford Ranch wagen that was customised in the USA and was imported and is used as a drag racing car over here.

He does drive this on the road occasionally even with those tyres lol.

This guy is my kind of customer

 

[codpiece]

The ball on the antennaI I remember those. Looks like a Union 76 ball. For those who don't know that a gas (petrol) station - well it once was any way.

[WeednFeed]

Lolol having some entertainment reading all this electrical talk. 

 

NO MORE ELECTRICAL WORK  FOR OLD WEEDY! Sit back let the checks come on in! 

Very interesting @Totty thanks.

[rexbowan]

Great pictures!

[Totty]

I went around today to discuss lighting ideas and blow me, there's another 2 turned up

This shed is getting quite full considering that we haven't started installing outlets and conduits yet

[ALanHim]

1 and 2 are gems and would be blasts to drive. I like smaller cars. Way more fun to drive. But since I drive like a grandma today #3 would be nice to have. #4 would get me killed. Too much power for I. For a collection in the UK.. it's pretty bad ass. I assume someone payed big bucks to get all them cars there minus 2 or 3. 

He's ready for a car show. 

 

[Totty]

From what I understand he has been accumulating these cars over a 40 year period and this shed is the first time they have all been in the sa.e place at the same time.

He does take some to car shows and the 2 dragsters are used for hobbyist competitions