The Gun Control Thread

[Labob]

Ok this is a better palce to make these posts. What do you feel you have to protect yourselves from where you need to have more weapons then most small countries ? Now I do understand the right to bear arms. Its not a position of protection in 2012 it was it 1776. Your worries about losing your guns is so out of place it makes me laugh. Not going to happen. 1 to many guns 2 its a very old amenment to your constitution so don't worry . And do not tell me guns don't kill people people kill people. Ever hear of the brought a gun to a knife fight joke. So lets review this for a second. I'm not against guns I'm against idiots with guns. There suppose to be locked up ammo separate ect ect . So what rights are you going to give up to keep it all the way it is and who is going to give up there rights. Kids have no rights in this matter thats why most of this shit happens in schools with parents weapons . So I'm sorry but if the first thing that goes to your head when you find out 28 people were just shot by a disturbed person is here goes the gun regulation thing all over again you have some problems that need addressing. Every single one of those people had rights to but according to some there rights are not as set in the constitution as the right to bear arms. What the hell does anybody need a machine gun for ? Would it be ok to imprision every parent who leaves a loaded weapon in there house and there kids accedently kills them selves with it ? Its out of control and its a very old law the people are abusing. Get your head out of your ass on this. Take responsibility of your weapons there not toys they kill people. Woops I just shot my son because he was sneaking in the house after I grounded him is not an excuse. GRRRR

[Bama]

I do not think that this thread will be very productive, since most folks have very definite opinions on it. I think it is better served in politics, since the issues governing weapons ownership are most definitely political in nature.

[Labob]

I have no problem in it being moved I'm not set up to read the politic forum and don't want to be and I think I've said my peace on this. And I do know I will not change one single mind on this topic. For that I'm sad

[BurnnBright]

In many areas of the country, peoples' homes are being invaded. The intruders know that you're home and they choose to break in while you're at home to harm you or scare you. It happens all the time here. So, if I don't have a gun here to protect me and my daughter while my husband is at work, how then shall I protect myself? Call the cops? If the gun is locked up with the ammo separated, how much time do I have to retrieve the gun and load it before I'm dead? I'm not a good shot so it brings me some comfort that I can grab another one if I run out of ammo.

 

Our home has always been armed and will continue to be. Our children were taught about the guns early on. We kept them out of reach when they were very small and unable to comprehend the dangers. They understood that someone creeping into our house in the middle of the night stood a good chance of getting shot. It was probably a great deterrent for them to never sneak out.

I understand that there are cases of children getting hold of their parent's guns and terrible things happen. There's also a hundred other deadly things in a home: electricity, knives, poisons, medicines, etc. There's far more instances of peoples' lives being saved because they were armed. Should we just take everything from everyone because of the actions of some? Regardless of laws, bad people will always do bad things and accidents will always happen. Perhaps we should take cars from everyone.

 

I see nothing wrong with arming oneself with an many weapons as they choose. Different weapons have different purposes. Some of them are for hunting, some for protection and some are just for fun.

[DEEJAYKEG]

I do wonder if it is the right place or, more to the point, the appropriate time to ask such questions?

They aren't new ones and I have no doubt that the whole USA is feeling very raw at the moment in a time of severe collective grief.

Foreigners like us are unlikely to understand the significance of the "right to bear arms" as our histories are greatly different.

It is most certainly erroneous to judge a society in another land by applying our own perceptions of norms.

As for "gun control", even if there was a great desire to reverse two centuries of unfettered holding of arms, I do think that the genie

is out of the bottle already and the Americans have the sad task of dealing with the continual consequences of their status quo.

[Dark Asylumn]

yeah gun control is definately a political topic, it def doesnt need to be out in the open

[Bama]

I have no problem in it being moved I'm not set up to read the politic forum and don't want to be and I think I've said my peace on this. And I do know I will not change one single mind on this topic. For that I'm sad

 

I won't move it unless it starts to take a political slant, hopefully it won't.

[Dark Asylumn]

thankfully here in the COMMONWELTH of ky we are allowed to protect our homes and families against threats, just be sure to drag them INTO the house once youre done shootin

 

I would love to buy some weed but its illegal in my state so i cant.

 

oh and again go ahead and make them illegal, lets just watch all the criminals turn in their guns. oh wait thats not going to happen. those laws only keep honest people from protecting themselves from criminals who are breaking the law and also has a gun they are using on you.

[DEEJAYKEG]

thankfully here in the COMMONWELTH of ky we are allowed to protect our homes and families against threats, just be sure to drag them INTO the house once youre done shootin

 

I would love to buy some weed but its illegal in my state so i cant.

 

oh and again go ahead and make them illegal, lets just watch all the criminals turn in their guns. oh wait thats not going to happen. those laws only keep honest people from protecting themselves from criminals who are breaking the law and also has a gun they are using on you.

 

I hear you, Dark. After our own school atrocity, it became illegal to hold a handgun (i.e. impossible to license one) but, of course, the surrender of all legally-held handguns and the prohibition did not stop firearm-related crime. Only last week, here in a sleepy little seaside town that doesn't even have any police station, police office or (wait a minute)....police officers on the streets, we suffered an armed robbery!

 

The difference is that this sort of event is very very rare indeed and, as for firearm-related homicides, they make the national news because there are so few of them. Yes, tighter controls have made some unhappy but, in the UK, gun ownership is all about country life, shooting game or vermin or sports shooting. There's no cultural aspect to it in a wider context. If you don't live out in the sticks, you don't need a gun and there's no argument. Our laws do allow 14 year-olds to possess shotguns, however (so Daddy can teach them the art of shooting pheasants). Oh, it's also illegal to hunt with bow and arrow here...

[Dark Asylumn]

here are the school shootings in the 90's

the bold one in 97 was 10 miles from my house a few of my friends were there that morning

the boy, now a man, is still appealing his conviction 15 years later, wont ever get what he deserves

its not gun control we need to reform. Its what happens to you once you break the law that needs to change

1991: University of Iowa

1992: Lindhurst High School shooting

1992: Palo Duro High School shooting

1992: Edward Tilden High School shooting

1992: Simon's Rock College of Bard shooting

1993: East Carter High School shooting

1993: Amityville High School shooting

1993: Reseda High School shooting

1993: Wauwatosa West High School shooting

1994: Grimsley High School shooting

1994: Wickliffe Middle School shooting

1995: Blackville-Hilda High School shooting

1995: Richland High School shooting

1996: Frontier Middle School shooting

1996: Hamilton High School shooting

1996: Mid-Penninsula High School shooting

1996: San Diego State University shooting

1996: Hetzel Union Building shooting

1997: Bethel Regional High School shooting

1997: Pearl High School shooting

1997: Heath High School shooting

1998: Westside Middle School shooting

1998: Parker Middle School dance shooting

1998: Thurston High School shooting

1999: Columbine High School massacre

1999: Heritage High School shooting

1999: Fort Gibson Middle School shooting

[Dark Asylumn]

here is a world stat since 1996

 

Feb. 2, 1996

Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class. March 13, 1996

Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack. Feb. 19, 1997

Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16. March 1997

Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri. Oct. 1, 1997

Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan. Dec. 1, 1997

West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School. Dec. 15, 1997

Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot. March 24, 1998

Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods. April 24, 1998

Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged. May 19, 1998

Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis. May 21, 1998

Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home. June 15, 1998

Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway. April 20, 1999

Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves. April 28, 1999

Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates. May 20, 1999

Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend. Nov. 19, 1999

Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School. Dec. 6, 1999

Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School. Dec. 7, 1999

Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student. Feb. 29, 2000

Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun. March 2000

Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since. March 10, 2000

Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School. May 26, 2000

Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes. Sept. 26, 2000

New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School. Jan. 17, 2001

Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School. Jan. 18, 2001

Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19. March 5, 2001

Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School. March 7, 2001

Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased. March 22, 2001

Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman. March 30, 2001

Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School. Nov. 12, 2001

Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself. Jan. 15, 2002

New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School. Feb. 19, 2002

Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself. April 26, 2002

Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself. April 29, 2002

Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself. October 28, 2002

Tucson, Ariz. Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself. April 14, 2003

New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related. April 24, 2003

Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself. Sept. 24, 2003

Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15. Sept. 28, 2004

Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires. March 21, 2005

Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead. Nov. 8, 2005

Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators. Aug. 24, 2006

Essex, Vt. Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother. Sept. 13, 2006

Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself. Sept. 27, 2006

Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself. Sept. 29, 2006

Cazenovia, Wis. A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang. Oct. 3, 2006

Nickel Mines, Pa. 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died. Jan. 3, 2007

Tacoma, Wash. Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School. April 16, 2007

Blacksburg, Va. A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded. Sept. 21, 2007

Dover, Del. A Delaware State Univesity Freshman, Loyer D. Brandon, shot and wounded two other Freshman students on the University campus. Brandon is being charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless engagement, as well as a gun charge. Oct. 10, 2007

Cleveland, Ohio A 14-year-old student at a Cleveland high school, Asa H. Coon, shot and injured two students and two teachers before he shot and killed himself. The victims' injuries were not life-threatening. Nov. 7, 2007

Tuusula, Finland An 18-year-old student in southern Finland shot and killed five boys, two girls, and the female principal at Jokela High School. At least 10 others were injured. The gunman shot himself and died from his wounds in the hospital. Feb. 8, 2008

Baton Rouge, Louisiana A nursing student shot and killed two women and then herself in a classroom at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. Feb. 11, 2008

Memphis, Tennessee A 17-year-old student at Mitchell High School shot and wounded a classmate in gym class. Feb. 12, 2008

Oxnard, California A 14-year-old boy shot a student at E.O. Green Junior High School causing the 15-year-old victim to be brain dead. Feb. 14, 2008

DeKalb, Illinois Gunman killed five students and then himself, and wounded 17 more when he opened fire on a classroom at Northern Illinois University. The gunman, Stephen P. Kazmierczak, was identified as a former graduate student at the university in 2007. Sept. 23, 2008

Kauhajoki, Finland A 20-year-old male student shot and killed at least nine students and himself at a vocational college in Kauhajok, 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki. Nov. 12, 2008

Fort Lauderdale, Florida A 15-year-old female student was shot and killed by a classmate at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale. March 11, 2009

Winnenden, Germany Fifteen people were shot and killed at Albertville Technical High School in southwestern Germany by a 17-year-old boy who attended the same school. April 30, 2009

Azerbaijan, Baku A Georgian citizen of Azerbaijani descent killed 12 students and staff at Azerbaijan State Oil Academy. Several others were wounded. Feb. 5, 2010

Madison, Alabama At Discovery Middle School, a ninth-grader was shot by another student during a class change. The boy, whose name was not released, pulled out a gun and shot Todd Brown in the head while walking the hallway. Brown later died at Huntsville Hospital. Feb. 12, 2010

Huntsville, Alabama During a meeting on campus, Amy Bishop, a biology professor, began shot her colleagues, killing three and wounding three others. A year earlier, Bishop had been denied tenure. March 9, 2010

Columbus, Ohio A man opens fire at Ohio State University, killing two employees and wounding one other. The shooter had recently received an "unsatisfactory" job evaluation and was going to be fired on March 13. Jan. 5, 2011

Omaha, Nebraska Two people were killed and two more injured in a shooting at Millard South High School. Shortly after being suspended from school, the shooter returned and shot the assistant principal, principal, and the school nurse. The shooter then left campus and took his own life. Jan. 8, 2011

Tuscon, Arizona Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in an assassination attempt. At least 17 others are shot by a gunman, identified as Jared Lee Loughner, who opened fire on the congresswoman's constituent meeting outside a local grocery store. Six people are fatally wounded, including U.S. District Court Judge John Roll, and a young girl. Jan. 5, 2011

Houston, Texas Two people opened fire during a Worthing High School powder-puff football game. One former student died. Five other people were injured. April 7, 2011

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil A 23-year-old former student returned to his public elementary school in Rio de Janeiro and began firing, killing 12 children and seriously wounding more than a dozen others, before shooting himself in the head. While Brazil has seen gang-related violence in urban areas, this was the worst school shooting the country has ever seen. May 10, 2011

San Jose, California Three people were killed in a parking garage at San Jose State University. Two former students were found dead on the fifth floor of the garage. A third, the suspected shooter, died later at the hospital. July 22, 2011

Tyrifjorden, Buskerud, Norway A gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at a camp for young political activists on the island of Utoya. The gunman kills 68 campers, including personal friends of Prime Minister Stoltenberg. Police arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian who had been been linked to an anti-Islamic group. Dec. 8, 2011

Blacksburg, Virginia A Virginia Tech police officer was shot and killed by a 22-year old student of Radford University. The shooting took place in a parking lot on Virginia Tech's campus. Feb. 10, 2012

Walpole, New Hampshire A 14-year-old student shot himself in front of 70 fellow students. Feb. 27, 2012

Chardon, Ohio At Chardon High School, a former classmate opened fire, killing three students and injuring six. Arrested shortly after the incident, the shooter said that he randomly picked students. March 6, 2012

Jacksonville, Florida Shane Schumerth, a 28-year-old teacher at Episcopal High School, returned to the campus after being fired and shot and killed the headmistress, Dale Regan, with an assault rifle. March 19, 2012

Toulouse, France Mohammed Merah, a French man of Algerian descent, shot and killed a rabbi, two of his children, and another child at a Jewish school. Police believe he had earlier shot and killed three paratroopers. Merah said he was a member of Al Qaeda and that he was seeking revenge for the killing of Palestinian children. April 2, 2012

Oakland, Calif. One Goh, a 43-year-old former student at Oikos University, a Christian school populated by mostly Korean and Korean-Americans, opened fire on the campus, killing seven people and wounding several others. July 20, 2012

Aurora, Colo. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises, a gunman opens fire on the crowded theater. At least 12 people are killed and 38 others are wounded. The suspect, James Holmes, set off a smoke device in the front of the theater before opening fire. Directly after the incident, Holmes, age 24, was arrested in a parking lot behind the theater. August 5, 2012

Oak Creek, Wis. A gunman opens fire at a Sikh temple, killing six people and wounding three. Police shot and killed the suspect, Wade Michael Page, after the attack. Page, a neo-Nazi, served in the U.S. Army from 1992 to 1998. December 14, 2012

Newtown, Conn. Adam Lanza, 20, armed with a .223-caliber rifle and other weapons killed 20 children and six others at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Lanza committed suicide after the rampage

 

Read more: Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html#ixzz2FA8VjVSm

Edited December 15, 2012 by Dark Asylumn

[DEEJAYKEG]

Here are the global stats for firearm-related deaths. The USA is not near the top but about 36 times higher than the UK's and twice Canada's. The one that surprised me was Switzerland but their defence measures mean many people have an assault rifle under their bed.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

[7Toes]

see they wont take your guns there will outlaw the ammunition, so there will be no way to get ammo or ammo making supplys ..so they wont have to take your guns they wont have to....

[BurnnBright]

Our government is already buying up the ammo. http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/

[XxSNO0PxX]

I think its better to have a gun and not need it, Than to need a gun and not have it.

Taking guns in this country will never happen, you'll see all out chaos and hear of guns really being used then.

I don't think that is the answer anyway. This worl just has some crazy crazy people in it. How many People have died from a drunk driver? Beer and cars next to on the list. It is very unfortunate what happend ,but this I am afraid is a very ugly place we live. I do agree something has to be done though.

[DramaLlama]

its easy to look at the stats from wiki that deejay posted and think that we need more gun control in the US. I personally do think that more gun control is needed. There are places that make it way too easy for people to obtain guns legally. but that is not the only thing that needs to change.

 

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

 

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl03.xls

 

This is the FBI stats on firearm homicides in the US for 2010. What stands out is that non-whites represent about 30% of the US population in 2010, but are responsible for about 70% of the total homicides in 2010. It is not a stretch to assume many of these murders are gang-related, and guns in those cases tend to be illegally obtained. Not only do there need to be better gun control laws, there also need to be societal changes to address the issues facing minorities.

[BigPapaDean]

While this is a very hotly contested issue it is also a very complex one. I suppose the way people feel about it is in large part to how important that guns ie: weapons are to them. I wander if any one of the teachers yesterday wished they had a weapon? What would have ensued had they been armed? Nobody knows and it would all be conjecture at best. This is the reason that this is better to be discussed later when there has been some time to heal and think more about the what ifs. I am sure there are people that had guns that wished they had done things different because something bad happened involving guns, but I an just as equally sure there are others that were against guns that now say if only I would have had a gun. You see there are reasons we all feel like we do and sometimes circumstances can and will change peoples feelings about this issue. I just know I am not giving up my weapons just because (God forbid) they might become illegal!

[BurnnBright]

And........... the ones who are responsible for banning guns (if they do) will likely always be protected by armed guards. Go figure.

[Astronomer]

And........... the ones who are responsible for banning guns (if they do) will likely always be protected by armed guards. Go figure.

 

Why is it when people hear gun control, they hear gun ban?

[PimpedOutPete]

This subject matter would be best served if it was in the Political forum. Can we have a senior adm move this please...

[Bama]

This subject matter would be best served if it was in the Political forum. Can we have a senior adm move this please...

While I certainly value your opinion, and realize this is a touchy subject for many.. I have already stated that if this thread takes a political slant that it will be moved. Until then, it will remain in the general discussion.

[BANNPIRE]

Theres a difference between opinion and wisdom. Thats all I'm saying....... Oh I could say alot.

Edited December 16, 2012 by BANNPIRE

[BurnnBright]

And........... the ones who are responsible for banning guns (if they do) will likely always be protected by armed guards. Go figure.

 

Why is it when people hear gun control, they hear gun ban?

Define "Gun Control" then.

[Warface]

4 teachers were killed because they rushed the psychopath that went to the school bearing arms,,, if they were able to carry weapons themselves they wouldnt have had to shield those poor children with their bodys to protect them,,, they could have ended him before he fired upon the helpless,innocent victims that have never done anything wrong to anyone.Ever notice how all those who are "man enough" to kill are always so cowardly they kill themselves before any one can get a hold of them.Maybe the world is better off ending.

[Astronomer]

And........... the ones who are responsible for banning guns (if they do) will likely always be protected by armed guards. Go figure.

 

Why is it when people hear gun control, they hear gun ban?

Define "Gun Control" then.

 

con·trol(kn-trl)

tr.v. con·trolled, con·trol·ling, con·trols

1.

To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct. See Synonyms at

conduct

.

2.

To adjust to a requirement; regulate:

controlled trading on the stock market; controls the flow of water.

3.

To hold in restraint; check:

struggled to control my temper.

4.

To reduce or prevent the spread of:

control insects; controlled the fire by dousing it with water.

 

Ban

/ban/

Verb

Officially or legally prohibit: "he was banned from driving for a year".

 

 

So, control meaning "put reasonable limits in place" i.e. many of the same mandatory requirements for driving a car:

- Title and tag at each point of sale

- Training

- Written test

- Practical test

- Health requirements (particularly mental health)

- liability insurance on each gun

- renewal and inspection at regular intervals

 

And prohibition on certain weapons i.e Assault rifles (note that it's not called a "Defence" rifle), fully automatic weapons, hollow-point bullets, etc. Only the military and police forces should be able to legally acquire and use these. Make the penalty severe and with a harsh minimum sentence and fine for civilian possession.[/color]

Edited December 16, 2012 by Astronomer