little_old_man Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 13, 2015 That is incorrect. I could say %70 of the American people think Saudi Arabia is an enemy of the US. But I cannot prove it. Doesnt mean I must be wrong because in the absence of being challenged to do so I could very well be right. In this case Stewart should have been. You ask to ask yourself why he wasnt. This is also the kind of thing that happens when a commentator on Fox says something as fact but nobody else inside the conservative world challenges it. Including other people on Fox. If there is no conservative equal to challenge Fox on what it says then it can present whatever it wants as truth. If CNN or Jon Stewart challenges it? They are called lying liberal hacks and their comments are worthless. True or not. So then who is qualified to critique a news outlet? Politifact tends to be unbiased much of the time and is about as neutral as you'll find. Of the other examples offered by boomboom, if you do a Google search on them they all lean heavily to the left (especially alternet which makes no secret of their bias), and what they report on is rarely questioned. So is it fair that they report on polls pertaining to a competitor with different political ideologies? My biggest complaint about ALL of the major news outlets is not what they report but rather what they don't report. More than anything else, people get pissed off at FOX because they report on things the other networks simply won't talk about, and in my opinion that's anything which makes Democrats look bad. Examples for me would be the "lost" IRS emails of Lois Lerner, lending billions to green energy companines that are now bankrupt, operation fast & furious, and the US trademark office arbitrarily removing trademark protection for the Washington Redskins. Everthing I know about these events was learned from the web, and most of it originated from FOX. Nobody else would touch it. In particular, every available detail of the IRS scandal should be brought to the attention of the American public but simply isn't being reported. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
iboomboom Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 20343 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 89 Topic Count: 203 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3381 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 3019 Achievement Points: 30034 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 06:56 PM Birthday: 07/01/1983 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 My mistrust stems from personal experience, though I think Stewart has more integrity than conmentators on Fox. PimpedOutPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 Except for the Redskins thing, because its recent and ongoing, all the others are old news now and there is no new information. All you can do is keep reporting over and over what we already know. After awhile it is just noise. As for the 'green' thing for example, lots of small companies that the govt sends money to fail. If you want to call it that. Especially defense related. Many billions of dollars are spent, every year, to learn how to do shit. So the things they make up, and more importantly their methods and patents, often go on to great successes. Such as the failed company that made up processes that the US military now uses so equipment is much less dependent on oil. Perhaps you call that a failure because it wasnt an immediate success in the commercial world. What exactly have you learned about F&F in the last 6-12 months that you didnt already know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Nisty* Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 21058 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 220 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2494 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 2778 Achievement Points: 20963 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 04/25/14 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 18, 2021 Birthday: 03/07/1987 Share Posted January 13, 2015 What does the FOX say... DramaLlama 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 The days of reporting the news without bias or commentary are over. I remember when I was a kid, the news was reported as straight facts, without commentary. Fox News for the better of 20 years has put more emphasis on its editorial commentary of the news and less on reporting the facts. Any new network that employs so many political pubits from one side that are former Presidential candidates, worked for that party, have extreme close ties to that party, plus other pundits who represent one side.. Well they have cashed in all credibility when it comes to reporting the news without bias. I do have to give Fox News some credit. For years the mainstream media have always had a moderate to left leaning focus. Fox has taken all those disenchanted conservatives and given them an outlet to vent. The mainstream media has watered down their market while Fox has cornered the other side. That is the only reason they are number one in the US. iboomboom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Except for the Redskins thing, because its recent and ongoing, all the others are old news now and there is no new information. All you can do is keep reporting over and over what we already know. After awhile it is just noise. As for the 'green' thing for example, lots of small companies that the govt sends money to fail. If you want to call it that. Especially defense related. Many billions of dollars are spent, every year, to learn how to do shit. So the things they make up, and more importantly their methods and patents, often go on to great successes. Such as the failed company that made up processes that the US military now uses so equipment is much less dependent on oil. Perhaps you call that a failure because it wasnt an immediate success in the commercial world. What exactly have you learned about F&F in the last 6-12 months that you didnt already know? Let's look at the IRS fiasco. Lois Lerner who was the director of Exempt Oganizations for the IRS was specifically targeting right leaning organizations for excess scrutiny for tax exempt status while allowing left leaning organizations to pass through with no questions asked. When Congress caught wind of this they immediately requested copies of Lois Lerner's emails for the last several years. As soon as a subpoena was issued, the IRS notified Congress that the emails were lost as there was no back-up. Keep in mind that this is a .gov email server with thousands of back-ups every day, so it was obvious to everybody that the emails were deleted to cover something up. So what's new you ask? Well, in November of 2014 (less than 8 weeks ago) federal investigators recovered over 30,000 emails to and from Lois Lerner that Congress was previously told were unrecoverable because of a crashed computer that wasn't backed up for some strange reason. So far according to some leaks, there are a number of requests from the department of justice to specifically target tea party and other republican groups. Of course the DOJ is headed up by Eric Holder, Obama's hand-picked henchman who also spearheaded operation Fast & Furious. So why wasn't the recovery of these emails in the news anywhere other than FOX and a few other obscure media outlets? None of the major networks, Huffington Post, hell not even Comedy Central said a word about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 Let's look at the IRS fiasco. Lois Lerner who was the director of Exempt Oganizations for the IRS was specifically targeting right leaning organizations for excess scrutiny for tax exempt status while allowing left leaning organizations to pass through with no questions asked. When Congress caught wind of this they immediately requested copies of Lois Lerner's emails for the last several years. As soon as a subpoena was issued, the IRS notified Congress that the emails were lost as there was no back-up. Keep in mind that this is a .gov email server with thousands of back-ups every day, so it was obvious to everybody that the emails were deleted to cover something up. So what's new you ask? Well, in November of 2014 (less than 8 weeks ago) federal investigators recovered over 30,000 emails to and from Lois Lerner that Congress was previously told were unrecoverable because of a crashed computer that wasn't backed up for some strange reason. So far according to some leaks, there are a number of requests from the department of justice to specifically target tea party and other republican groups. Of course the DOJ is headed up by Eric Holder, Obama's hand-picked henchman who also spearheaded operation Fast & Furious. So why wasn't the recovery of these emails in the news anywhere other than FOX and a few other obscure media outlets? None of the major networks, Huffington Post, hell not even Comedy Central said a word about it. This message was brought to you by... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Terry you seem to know a lot about FOX. You must be a big fan. I'm always amazed how people who seemingly hate FOX and Rush Limbaugh know more about them than I could ever hope (or want) to know. Everything I wrote above was derived from several sources online, none of which were FOX. The part about the lost emails being recovered came from the NY Daily Times. Feel free to point out which parts of what I said were incorrect. PimpedOutPete and baldie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DramaLlama Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1443 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2299 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 3788 Achievement Points: 17866 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 05/24/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 8, 2023 Birthday: 02/19/1987 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 PimpedOutPete and iboomboom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BigPapaDean Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1128 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 78 Topic Count: 1197 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6521 Content Per Day: 1.26 Reputation: 4407 Achievement Points: 63389 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/13/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: Tuesday at 06:23 AM Birthday: 10/21/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 Guys please keep this going as I am learning a lot from all these points being made! iboomboom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 Terry you seem to know a lot about FOX. You must be a big fan. I'm always amazed how people who seemingly hate FOX and Rush Limbaugh know more about them than I could ever hope (or want) to know. Everything I wrote above was derived from several sources online, none of which were FOX. The part about the lost emails being recovered came from the NY Daily Times. Feel free to point out which parts of what I said were incorrect. Hate is to strong of word Steve. If I hated Fox, that would mean I am expending way to much thought and energy on them. I do watch Fox for I know that ALL media coverage are bias to some degree or and Fox does give a prospective that some of the other media dont. I agree, Fox News did have extensive coverage on the IRS scandal, just as they did on Beghazi and other political issues. But thats my point Steve, you can not deny the fact that Fox News is the talking mouth piece of one side and one side only. How can they be abjective? Yes, Fox News has been on top of some stories, but shouldnt our News Outlets be void of political rhetoric and bias? baldie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
hxtr Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 Well I can see I'm not missing much in the political forum. You all sound like a bunch of babbling Idiot's. PimpedOutPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 Except you Pete. I put you on the Short Yellow bus with me a long ass time ago. You get a pass. PimpedOutPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 Can someone notify Rugger that Hxtr is off his meds again? baldie and hxtr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hate is to strong of word Steve. If I hated Fox, that would mean I am expending way to much thought and energy on them. I do watch Fox for I know that ALL media coverage are bias to some degree or and Fox does give a prospective that some of the other media dont. I agree, Fox News did have extensive coverage on the IRS scandal, just as they did on Beghazi and other political issues. But thats my point Steve, you can not deny the fact that Fox News is the talking mouth piece of one side and one side only. How can they be abjective? Yes, Fox News has been on top of some stories, but shouldnt our News Outlets be void of political rhetoric and bias? Like I said before Ter, I'm all for fair and balanced reporting. While most of the networks do a great job hiding their hositility toward anything conservative, some like MSNBC make no secret of it at all. NBC, CBS and ABC do it covertly, and simply don't report on subjects they feel show democrats in a bad light. In my opinion, that's a lot of shit they just don't want to talk about. As far as I'm concerned, no news outlet has been entirely unbiased since Walter Cronkite retired in 1981. Although privately he was very liberal, his political affiliation stayed behind the scenes and he set the standard for fair and balanced reporting. When the FCC did away with the Fairness Doctrine in 1987, we saw the rise of political specialty shows like Rush Limbaugh and eventually FOX news, and the disintegration of network news into what it is to this day. I never hear anybody complaining about the bias of MSNBC, Rachael Maddow, The View or Jon Stewart/Steve Colbert, and even you have to admit Terry that those are about as left leaning as it gets. baldie and PimpedOutPete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 Steve, you answered my question with an editorial right from the Hannity handbook. I do agree about Walter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Sorry Ter, I can't stand Hannity. iboomboom and PimpedOutPete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 13, 2015 Also, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert are friggin funny lol.. You have to admit that. iboomboom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 Since when did 'leaks' become facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
iboomboom Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 20343 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 89 Topic Count: 203 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3381 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 3019 Achievement Points: 30034 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: Friday at 06:56 PM Birthday: 07/01/1983 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 On a similar note, they have some funny tweets in there ... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/british-prime-minister-fox-news-security-analyst-is-clearly-a-complete-idiot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
JohnnyNashville Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 25938 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 21 Topic Count: 343 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 1493 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 284 Achievement Points: 13299 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 25, 2022 Birthday: 08/08/1961 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I like Fox News! Not everyone is correct 100% of the time. jn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hxtr Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 220 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 147 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 16950 Content Per Day: 3.17 Reputation: 13538 Achievement Points: 129713 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 120 Joined: 09/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 26, 2023 Birthday: 04/05/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 13, 2015 You have to look who runs Fox and NBC, CBS, ABC. Fox gives you part of the truth. Enough to keep you coming back to see more. I watch Fox most of the time if I watch new because they lie a little less than the others but they still are not telling all the truth. If they did we would shit ourselves and demand change. Instead we argue who is better and who is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Toes Posted January 13, 2015 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted January 13, 2015 lmao all media is controlled now by big brother spewing shit every time their lips move.to keep the misinformation highway rolling along..... hxtr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 14, 2015 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Since when did 'leaks' become facts? Things get leaked to the press every day, which in turn leads to more questions asked by reporters which is where the facts come out. Today there was a perfect example of how the main media outlets refused to run a story that makes the president look bad. Today the Obama administration released 1.6 billion in military and financial aid to Pakistan, something that will be very unpopular with many Americans ever since we found out Pakistan was hiding Osama Bin Laden. How did I find out? Somebody mentioned it on another fourum I check out and after doing a Google search, the only media outlets reporting it so far are FOX and Al Jazeera. The rest may eventually mention it but none of them seem to be in much of a hurry. In my opinion we shouldn't give another dime to Pakistan, and a lot of other people feel the same way. As I've said already, I dislike network news more for what they "don't" say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 15, 2015 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14882 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7824 Achievement Points: 91065 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Macintosh Share Posted January 15, 2015 Things get leaked to the press every day, which in turn leads to more questions asked by reporters which is where the facts come out. Today there was a perfect example of how the main media outlets refused to run a story that makes the president look bad. Today the Obama administration released 1.6 billion in military and financial aid to Pakistan, something that will be very unpopular with many Americans ever since we found out Pakistan was hiding Osama Bin Laden. How did I find out? Somebody mentioned it on another fourum I check out and after doing a Google search, the only media outlets reporting it so far are FOX and Al Jazeera. The rest may eventually mention it but none of them seem to be in much of a hurry. In my opinion we shouldn't give another dime to Pakistan, and a lot of other people feel the same way. As I've said already, I dislike network news more for what they "don't" say. Hmmmm, I hate to break this to you Steve but the US have been giving military and foreign aid to Pakistan for an odd 60 years. So this is not "new news", but rather Fox spinning this to piss you off. Fox News may have conveniantly forgot to mention that the Bush Administration released the same (more or less) every year from 2002-2008 to Pakistan. This is only news to promote Fox's poltical agenda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Pakistan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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