Timmah! Posted February 17, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Share Posted February 17, 2022 So, my tv/internet package was like $99/mo. when I moved in. The promotion expired after 12 months, & it went up to $126....wasn't stoked about that, but whatever. Got my notice of my upcoming bill & it raised another $25 to like $156! Was like: hold the fukking train. Called Customer Retention & asked them what's the best deal I can get for internet if I'm extra-special nice to you & what's the best internet-only deal I can get if I leave for 30 days or whatever & come back as a 'new' customer? She said the best deal she could find was a basic-channel + internet package, because the basic channel portion gives a better discount for the internet portion. So, instead of $156, it's $55.00 for the basic channels, with internet changing from 200Mb down to 400Mb down. W00t. Means I can d/l them bullets coming at me 2X as fast! J3st3r, jointz, TBB and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TBB Posted February 17, 2022 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18167 Content Per Day: 3.47 Reputation: 20202 Achievement Points: 133140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 266 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 20 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted February 17, 2022 Maybe if you stopped watching gay naked porn starring @Joe Canadian your bill would go down even more!!!! jointz, Hoth and Timmah! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 17, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, TBB said: Maybe if you stopped watching gay naked porn starring @Joe Canadian your bill would go down even more!!!! Thanks! The places your mind goes makes me feel entirely better about my current headspace!! #notthatthere'sanythingwr0ngwiththat TBB and jointz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
MikeB Posted February 17, 2022 Member ID: 59 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 12 Topic Count: 137 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2114 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 2333 Achievement Points: 15140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Online Last Seen: 6 minutes ago Device: Windows Share Posted February 17, 2022 Depending on your ISP there are actually federal grants to help offset your monthly bill. You may check and see Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
TBB Posted February 17, 2022 Member ID: 989 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 18167 Content Per Day: 3.47 Reputation: 20202 Achievement Points: 133140 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 266 Joined: 01/07/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 20 hours ago Birthday: 01/27/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Timmah! said: Thanks! The places your mind goes makes me feel entirely better about my current headspace!! #notthatthere'sanythingwr0ngwiththat Headspace? Headspace?? Headspace??? You saying my head is full of space???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
lTplkey336 Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 27768 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 10 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 941 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 1141 Achievement Points: 7783 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/19 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 Timmah there is a federal grant to lower your internet bill by 25 to 50 dollars a month. All you got to do is apply on line. Snow White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Being Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 1085 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 152 Achievement Points: 980 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/03/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 28 Birthday: 09/18/1973 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 Is cable still a thing? reminds me of sky satellite back in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Being said: Is cable still a thing? reminds me of sky satellite back in the early 90s. Comcast Cable net worth is north of $215 Billion dollars, making it one of the largest corporations in the U.S. Interesting you mention Sky; think they own it... & NBC corporation. They're worth ~1.6X that of AT&T....you know, the largest telecommunications company in the world; known for fiber optic infrastructure. Cable isn't going anywhere, they're just adapting. Edited February 18, 2022 by Timmah! jointz and Snow White 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Hoth Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 64 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1037 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 874 Achievement Points: 9649 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 12 hours ago Birthday: 12/09/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 Unfortunately you have to play that game with retention sometimes. I worked for an isp for 11 years. I do miss it being free lol. Since cod only uses a really small stream of bandwidth you can play smoothly as long as you rate limit the porn downloads. Just streaming it you should be fine. :0 Being, Timmah! and PHUCKITMAN 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Checked my new speeds with Spectrum over some other ISPs' infrastructure- ( the top ones share access with each other) & the MW2 server: Tracing route to c-162-248-95-178.managed-ded.inap-nyc.nfoservers.com [162.248.95.178] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 142-254-147-033.inf.spectrum.com [142.254.147.33] 3 8 ms 8 ms 9 ms be63.lsvmky1302h.midwest.rr.com [74.128.7.245] 4 11 ms 23 ms 15 ms be25.lsvmkyzo01r.midwest.rr.com [65.29.31.56] 5 24 ms 23 ms 22 ms be24.clmkohpe01r.midwest.rr.com [65.189.140.162] 6 26 ms 25 ms 26 ms bu-ether31-vinnva0510w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.54] 7 31 ms 25 ms 27 ms ae-13.edge2.Chicago10.Level3.net [4.68.37.137] 8 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms ae2.3611.edge2.NewYork6.level3.net [4.69.209.82] 9 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms INTERNAP-NE.edge2.NewYork6.Level3.net [4.30.176.170] 10 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms border2-po1-bbnet1.nyj004.pnap.net [216.52.95.47] 11 41 ms 40 ms 41 ms inap-b2.e8.router.nyc.nfoservers.com [104.153.107.254] 12 41 ms 40 ms 40 ms c-162-248-95-178.managed-ded.inap-nyc.nfoservers.com [162.248.95.178] Trace complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hoth said: Unfortunately you have to play that game with retention sometimes. I worked for an isp for 11 years. I do miss it being free lol. Since cod only uses a really small stream of bandwidth you can play smoothly as long as you rate limit the porn downloads. Just streaming it you should be fine. :0 No biggie, just 5 minutes' effort of being genuinely nice to someone whose job it is to listen to whiny people all day. Easy-peasy, lemon squeezy. Even asked her what kinda deal she could give me if I was extra-special nice to her; to which she giggled. Done & Done. As dickish as society has become, just being a decent person to your fellow human draws a lot of water. Hoth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Now check that shit out, up above: my ping to a server in Louisville, KY, which is about 35-40 miles away is 46. My ping to Atlanta, Ga, which is ~400 miles away is 29; that being Comcast, a cable company's telecommunication infrastructure. Which proves capacity is paramount; even over distance. Pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
VHS2 Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 2056 Group: + COD4 Moderator Followers: 52 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1079 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 1133 Achievement Points: 9380 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/18/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 02:00 PM Birthday: 01/17/1960 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 @Timmah! Yes, rather expensive the internet in the US! Here in Paris, my internet/tv/phone (fiber) package costs 39,99 € per month, i.e. about 45,40 $ And here are the speeds: Still, you are quicker than me in game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
StormCrow Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 480 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 72 Topic Count: 250 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2644 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 4818 Achievement Points: 45829 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 28 Joined: 09/21/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 6 hours ago Birthday: 03/11/1975 Device: Android Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Timmah! said: So, my tv/internet package was like $99/mo. when I moved in. The promotion expired after 12 months, & it went up to $126....wasn't stoked about that, but whatever. Got my notice of my upcoming bill & it raised another $25 to like $156! Was like: hold the fukking train. Called Customer Retention & asked them what's the best deal I can get for internet if I'm extra-special nice to you & what's the best internet-only deal I can get if I leave for 30 days or whatever & come back as a 'new' customer? She said the best deal she could find was a basic-channel + internet package, because the basic channel portion gives a better discount for the internet portion. So, instead of $156, it's $55.00 for the basic channels, with internet changing from 200Mb down to 400Mb down. W00t. Means I can d/l them bullets coming at me 2X as fast! we cut all cable and phone a year or so ago, we bought for 80 bucks a 4k Amazon Fire stick, my Sister loaded it up with Live TV, i pay 15 bucks a month and get 300+ channels from all around the world, she also put Kodi on there and i pay 10 bucks a month for the premium no lag or buffering cahced torrent streams so i can watch any movies or series out there non-live so now for all my TV viewing pleasures I pay 25 bucks a month plus the cost of my internet which I was paying before anyways Timmah! and TheHammer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
major-mark63 Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 22 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2441 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1911 Achievement Points: 19254 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Timmah! said: Checked my new speeds with Spectrum over some other ISPs' infrastructure- ( the top ones share access with each other) & the MW2 server: Tracing route to c-162-248-95-178.managed-ded.inap-nyc.nfoservers.com [162.248.95.178] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 142-254-147-033.inf.spectrum.com [142.254.147.33] 3 8 ms 8 ms 9 ms be63.lsvmky1302h.midwest.rr.com [74.128.7.245] 4 11 ms 23 ms 15 ms be25.lsvmkyzo01r.midwest.rr.com [65.29.31.56] 5 24 ms 23 ms 22 ms be24.clmkohpe01r.midwest.rr.com [65.189.140.162] 6 26 ms 25 ms 26 ms bu-ether31-vinnva0510w-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.54] 7 31 ms 25 ms 27 ms ae-13.edge2.Chicago10.Level3.net [4.68.37.137] 8 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms ae2.3611.edge2.NewYork6.level3.net [4.69.209.82] 9 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms INTERNAP-NE.edge2.NewYork6.Level3.net [4.30.176.170] 10 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms border2-po1-bbnet1.nyj004.pnap.net [216.52.95.47] 11 41 ms 40 ms 41 ms inap-b2.e8.router.nyc.nfoservers.com [104.153.107.254] 12 41 ms 40 ms 40 ms c-162-248-95-178.managed-ded.inap-nyc.nfoservers.com [162.248.95.178] Trace complete. you are just a bit over 60 times faster than me....54$cdn a month only for internet Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
major-mark63 Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 22 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2441 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1911 Achievement Points: 19254 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 how about this country side connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
major-mark63 Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 23233 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 22 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2441 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 1911 Achievement Points: 19254 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/10/15 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 08/11/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 do you understand @Timmah! when i ask please do not hop so i can have a chance to kill you!! LOL Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, major-mark63 said: do you understand @Timmah! when i ask please do not hop so i can have a chance to kill you!! LOL Please: Tactical Leaping PHUCKITMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Johnny3Time Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 20371 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 159 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 341 Achievement Points: 2727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:34 PM Birthday: 06/11/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 I recently upgraded my internet I have Spectrum Cable. I don't have Cable TV service I stream everything, they also offer Cell service piggybacking off of Verizon for a fantastic price of $45 unlimited Calls, Text and Data. I was paying $75 for internet and $75 for shitty ATT cell service. Now I pay $94 for much much better internet and $45 for much much better Cell service from a very much less shitty company. 400+Mbps down and 20+Mbps upload. I can stream content to discord in full 1080HD 60fps now where before at 8-9Mbps upload 720p wouldn't even sync with the audio. Downloading games....fugheddaboutit it's done already! Saving $10 in the process ...winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Johnny3Time Posted February 18, 2022 Member ID: 20371 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 159 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 341 Achievement Points: 2727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:34 PM Birthday: 06/11/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted February 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Being said: Is cable still a thing? reminds me of sky satellite back in the early 90s. It is where Companies like ATT have a monopoly on the fiber service in your area and they gouge you for it. It really isn't worth the $155 US or more monthly bill for the (s)lowest tier When Cable speeds shit all over it for $60 a month less. It's like paying a premium for Fiber just so you can say you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 19, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Johnny3Time said: I recently upgraded my internet I have Spectrum Cable. I don't have Cable TV service I stream everything, they also offer Cell service piggybacking off of Verizon for a fantastic price of $45 unlimited Calls, Text and Data. I was paying $75 for internet and $75 for shitty ATT cell service. Now I pay $94 for much much better internet and $45 for much much better Cell service from a very much less shitty company. 400+Mbps down and 20+Mbps upload. I can stream content to discord in full 1080HD 60fps now where before at 8-9Mbps upload 720p wouldn't even sync with the audio. Downloading games....fugheddaboutit it's done already! Saving $10 in the process ...winning! Yeah, price for the 400 down plan is now $55... I pay ATT $300 up front for 1 yr. cell & data. 8mb a month.. I use 5 or 6...so perfect for me. Snow White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Snow White Posted February 19, 2022 Member ID: 11018 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 13 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 291 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 191 Achievement Points: 2427 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/30/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 1, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 12:15 AM, Timmah! said: Comcast Cable net worth is north of $215 Billion dollars, making it one of the largest corporations in the U.S. Interesting you mention Sky; think they own it... & NBC corporation. They're worth ~1.6X that of AT&T....you know, the largest telecommunications company in the world; known for fiber optic infrastructure. Cable isn't going anywhere, they're just adapting. We pay $149 + I couldn't play last night because it was off in Lake Worth Beach, Palm Beach County Fl, Until 5:00 am... Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Labob Posted February 19, 2022 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8270 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5985 Achievement Points: 53653 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2022 All tele com do is rip you off. They know , we know the goverment knows it. I called bell to cancel my land line at 85 dollars a month. Bell was very concerned at the price so they said the can save me 10 dollars a month by switching to bells voip for 74 dollars a month. I had to yell them magic jack has the same service for 15 dollars a year. Timmah! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Timmah! Posted February 19, 2022 Member ID: 26443 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 472 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 5981 Content Per Day: 2.52 Reputation: 10361 Achievement Points: 51160 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 118 Joined: 11/01/17 Status: Offline Last Seen: 51 minutes ago Birthday: 09/26/1971 Device: Android Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, Labob said: All tele com do is rip you off. They know , we know the goverment knows it. I called bell to cancel my land line at 85 dollars a month. Bell was very concerned at the price so they said the can save me 10 dollars a month by switching to bells voip for 74 dollars a month. I had to yell them magic jack has the same service for 15 dollars a year. Yeah, it's a monopoly. They all tacitly agree to a price floor; just like oil companies & gas stations also do; When I worked at a gas station/convenient mart years ago, one of your jobs if you ran a shift was to survey the local competitors' gas prices & adjust yours accordingly. Meaning go up with the highest-price one; but not always to follow the lowest price one, because they might not be prime consideration. Once you got to know the managers of the local competitor stations, you'd just call them up & share the price information; some would be as helpful as to proactively call you in advance of a price change at their store, so you could plan the rest of your shift accordingly. The logic being, if several companies are going to 'compete' for local market share of whatever's being sold, might as well agree on a common price range, lifting the profits of all involved. Shady? Grey area? Dunno, but it was common practice in the Louisville market years ago. The guy who owned the dominant stores in the market-for whose company I worked- was on the board of directors of the other major player in the area, namely Ashland Oil. Now that's SHADY.. but apparently entirely legal. Snow White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Johnny3Time Posted February 19, 2022 Member ID: 20371 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 159 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 306 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 341 Achievement Points: 2727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 09:34 PM Birthday: 06/11/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted February 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Timmah! said: Yeah, price for the 400 down plan is now $55... I pay ATT $300 up front for 1 yr. cell & data. 8mb a month.. I use 5 or 6...so perfect for me. lol 8mb wouldn't even cover my email. The plan here for new customers is $49 good for a year, when I suggested to spectrum I close my acct and open another to get the better price I suddenly got free service for a couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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