Blaze Posted November 21, 2012 Member ID: 2702 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 8 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1057 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 918 Achievement Points: 8385 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/27/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 16 Birthday: 11/26/1978 Device: Android Share Posted November 21, 2012 I graciously request that the redirect system be improved to maybe weed out the inactive and disconnected players before the participating players. I have been redirected whilst near the top of the board when there are four players AFK and two players with 999 pings. I have no idea if it possible to have a way of selecting who is chosen for redirect first, but it has to be worth mentioning. Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Markoff Posted November 21, 2012 Member ID: 54 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 89 Topic Count: 495 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 4498 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 2240 Achievement Points: 32003 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 9 hours ago Birthday: 03/17/1965 Device: iPhone Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) we've had this post before and i think it was being look into as it should be lowest scoring non xi member first ???? Edited November 21, 2012 by MARKOFF>XI< BigPapaDean and Angel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
shooter Posted November 21, 2012 Member ID: 459 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 23 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 401 Achievement Points: 5416 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 29, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2012 as we said before... you're a great player but your not an XI member so as long as you're not, it will happen more often that you will be redirected. we have a lot of members that wanne play that server, especially on the times that you and me are online. i have to ask frequently to an admin to make me some room. maybe it was you that was kicked for me or someone else.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGTDANKO Posted November 21, 2012 Member ID: 3214 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 27 Topic Count: 206 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2362 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 50 Achievement Points: 14004 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/21/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 4, 2015 Birthday: 06/23/1981 Share Posted November 21, 2012 i like to play also so if you are a non scoring nonmember then you shall be redirected so members can havce fun on our servers srry but its just how it goes )\ \ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted November 22, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 22, 2012 When a new player joins every player is assigned a weight that is a combination of being an admin, a clan member, clan member score and the time played in seconds. Admins are given a very high weight so the only possible way one could potentially be kicked is if everybody in the server... in this case 24 or 32... is an admin as listed in the server configs. Clan members have an extra starting weight in addition to their current score. At this point all non-members have a zero weight. Last one added is the time played in seconds. Whoever has the lowest weight loses. Obviously a joining non-member would have a zero weight so he is the one to be kicked. Except in those servers that give negative scores for FF or something. In which case a player with a negative score would be kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Chris Posted November 22, 2012 Member ID: 1357 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 65 Topic Count: 181 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2292 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 1732 Achievement Points: 16615 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 04/21/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 9 hours ago Birthday: 09/11/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted November 22, 2012 I got an idea....if we just set it to redirect Blaze all the time, it would save all the others Exe, shooter and Sonovabich 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
shooter Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 459 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 23 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 401 Achievement Points: 5416 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 29, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2012 and i was thinking that you admins had a black book with names in it of who to kick first..second..thirth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Toes Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted November 23, 2012 you've been black listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cavey Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 92 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2241 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 606 Achievement Points: 13358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 06/09/1977 Share Posted November 23, 2012 When a new player joins every player is assigned a weight that is a combination of being an admin, a clan member, clan member score and the time played in seconds. Admins are given a very high weight so the only possible way one could potentially be kicked is if everybody in the server... in this case 24 or 32... is an admin as listed in the server configs. Clan members have an extra starting weight in addition to their current score. At this point all non-members have a zero weight. Last one added is the time played in seconds. Whoever has the lowest weight loses. Obviously a joining non-member would have a zero weight so he is the one to be kicked. Except in those servers that give negative scores for FF or something. In which case a player with a negative score would be kicked. If that is the case why did he get redirected based on what he has described in his post??? Surely that weighting system is over complicating it. I have not done any COD4 coding, so I'm not sure if this idea is possible. However it would make much more sense to base it on if gaming name contains >XI< then ignore, then find lowest score equals redirect. Naturally non members could put the >XI< tag on their name, but run the risk of being banned not redirected. I totally agree with Blaze that it must be very frustrating to be close to the top of the leader board and be redirected over other non members with shit scores. Sammy I hear you not a GOD at this cod4 programming. Maybe this is something you could look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 23, 2012 Its a tricky balance to decide who to kick. Score? Playtime? K/D ratio? Streaks? Everybody has their own idea of what should be the most important thing. As far as 'doing it', its a matter of figuring out the right things to plug into a math problem. Someone plays for 5 minutes and gets 1000 points. Another person plays for 20 minutes but gets only 500 points. Which one to kick? If its simply score then the guy that has played for 20 minutes is gone. Doesnt seem very fair. On the other hand someone that can get 1000 points in 5 minutes is pretty good in comparison. Cant just say too bad he hasnt played long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cavey Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 92 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2241 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 606 Achievement Points: 13358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 06/09/1977 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Its a tricky balance to decide who to kick. Score? Playtime? K/D ratio? Streaks? Everybody has their own idea of what should be the most important thing. As far as 'doing it', its a matter of figuring out the right things to plug into a math problem. Someone plays for 5 minutes and gets 1000 points. Another person plays for 20 minutes but gets only 500 points. Which one to kick? If its simply score then the guy that has played for 20 minutes is gone. Doesnt seem very fair. On the other hand someone that can get 1000 points in 5 minutes is pretty good in comparison. Cant just say too bad he hasnt played long enough. I do see your point. Maybe then... If gaming name contains >XI< then ignore, else find last connected player equals redirect. That way it caters for yours potential snipers or campers who have been on for a while. This would only work if there is a kick for afk after set time period, in order that an afk can't reserve a slot while going to the shops, etc... What's your thoughts on that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 23, 2012 Example problem, assuming two players of the same skill for their particular classes: Specops over time potentially has a high number of kills but also a high number of deaths. While in comparison over the same amount of time a sniper would be low for both. For their particular classes those kinds of scores are to be expected and their K/D might actually be the same. Assuming both played 20 minutes how do you decide which one should have more priority than the other? If time and K/D are the same what else is there that would not place one class over another because of each ones specific role? Cant use traveled distance since one is usually stationary and one is not. Cant use accuracy since a good sniper that takes his time can easily be %90-%100 while specops would probably be less. Cant be streaks because how to you compare someone who got 3 RC's vs someone who got 2 airstrikes? I am open to ideas but everybody has their own of order of importance and what is fair so its hard to decide. But there is one simple solution. I could base the order on my own admittedly biased opinions and say thats that. Keeping in mind for example that I think a sniper that gets 15 osok headshots is a better player than one that gets 30 spray and pray kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Cavey Posted November 24, 2012 Member ID: 92 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 42 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2241 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 606 Achievement Points: 13358 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11, 2020 Birthday: 06/09/1977 Share Posted November 24, 2012 To be honest there is no solution that will meet everyone's preferences. However all I know is that the present method is getting negative feedback. This isn't a slant at you, as you provide an awesome addition to this community. Sometimes you have to be strict and that's that... So if anyone was to come to the forums and ask why they were redirected, I'm sure they would be more understandable based on simply logic (not member and last joined = first choice to be redirected) compared to based on this complex weighting system (again no offense, as I can only imagine the work that went into it) where if you are this class you get this many points, and if you are that you get so many points. Basically Sammy, I've learnt over the years that gamers either don't understand the backend or don't give a shit. Those who do want a simple explanation. Forgive me if I offend anyone, though even with this website, i've gone down the "awesome" route (from a programming aspect) only to be told or through feedback that "we are happy with a more simple solution". As they say the best ideas are normally the most simple ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamo7s Posted November 24, 2012 Member ID: 3132 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 20 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 323 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 459 Achievement Points: 3170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 10:34 PM Birthday: 04/23/1971 Device: Windows Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) Actually, I think that would be a great way to handle it. If the person's name does not include XI tags then it should default to seeing how long they've been connected. Last in...first out. (waits patiently for the "That's what she said" comeback.) I myself have been redirected after being on the server for 30min or more for an XI member when I know others had been on for a lot less time than that. Hell, I thought that's how it was until the first time I got redirected after being on for a while. Don't get me wrong, I understand it's y'alls server(s) and XI members should come first, but getting kicked in the middle of a map when you've been on longer than someone else gets really annoying. Edited November 24, 2012 by Kamo7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted November 24, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 24, 2012 Were those others clan members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Kamo7s Posted November 24, 2012 Member ID: 3132 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 20 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 323 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 459 Achievement Points: 3170 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: Thursday at 10:34 PM Birthday: 04/23/1971 Device: Windows Share Posted November 24, 2012 As I said, I can see why I would have got the boot if they were XI members, but no, to my recollection they were not members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DramaLlama Posted November 24, 2012 Member ID: 1443 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 149 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2299 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 3788 Achievement Points: 17866 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 05/24/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 8, 2023 Birthday: 02/19/1987 Device: Windows Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) I graciously request that the redirect system be improved to maybe weed out the inactive and disconnected players before the participating players. I have been redirected whilst near the top of the board when there are four players AFK and two players with 999 pings. I have no idea if it possible to have a way of selecting who is chosen for redirect first, but it has to be worth mentioning. Many thanks Is it possible that at some point during the map, you went to Spectate and then rejoined your team? I ask because I have seen several people do that and get redirected even though they had been on the map for a long time. Edited November 24, 2012 by DramaLlama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted November 25, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yes the game does not consider spectating as playing time. Currently the only things counted towards non-clan members is amount of actual playing time. Clan members also add scores and a small buffer of sorts as additional priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted November 25, 2012 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8276 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5994 Achievement Points: 53697 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 7 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Windows Share Posted November 25, 2012 Pfft lucky bastard might be kicked to a real game lke World at War. He won't complaine I know none of the women do :0- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BA_Sniper Posted November 25, 2012 Member ID: 3398 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 63 Achievement Points: 708 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 25, 2013 Birthday: 05/06/1983 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I am not a clan member, and have been redirected a number of times. I honestly have no problem with it since the XI servers are about the only ones I play anymore. My one wish is that I would be directed to a server that is slightly populated.....but what am I saying, I will probably just sit on my thumb like usual and keep hitting the refresh button on my favorites list, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted November 25, 2012 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted November 25, 2012 Well the Chi server that people get redirected to is the better mod. So go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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