COD5 Shotguns (with Grips)

[djMot]

Never did a poll before, so we'll see how (or if) this even works.

So I understand there's been some flack in the servers about the accuracy and deadly nature of shotguns with grips.  It has been determined that the shotgun weapon settings are STOCK, so apparently this is how a COD5 shotgun with a grip is supposed to behave. 

Now, I'm not one to prevent the masses from speaking up on the matter, and God knows I'm opening a big-ass can of worms even creating a pool like this, but what the hell, right?

So, just for the sake of argument, and with absolutely no expectation that anything will change, do you think the shotgun with a grip should be reduced in "efficiency" of kill power?

Edited October 8, 2018 by djMot

[Streetcleaner]

If it's at the default or standard setting for that weapon,for COD5 ,then I guess people need to deal with it or seek counseling .......

[2_MANY_BEERS]

10 hours ago, djMot said:

Never did a poll before, so we'll see how (or if) this even works.

So I understand there's been some flack in the servers about the accuracy and deadly nature of shotguns with grips.  It has been determined that the shotgun weapon settings are STOCK, so apparently this is how a COD5 shotgun with a grip is supposed to behave. 

Now, I'm not one to prevent the masses from speaking up on the matter, and God knows I'm opening a big-ass can of worms even creating a pool like this, but what the hell, right?

So, just for the sake of argument, and with absolutely no expectation that anything will change, do you think the shotgun with a grip should be reduced in "efficiency" of kill power?

Are you sure they are stock DJ. This is what I see. This is in meters and I believe they both use to be 25. I'm not sure.

//******************************************************************************
// DEMOLITIONS CLASS WEAPONS
//******************************************************************************
set scr_wrm_shotgun "45"
set scr_wrm_doublebarreledshotgun "25"

[2_MANY_BEERS]

This is what the call of duty world at war book says.

 

[HarryWeezer]

Voted. Reduce the range!

[djMot]

1 hour ago, 2_MANY_BEERS said:

Are you sure they are stock DJ. This is what I see. This is in meters and I believe they both use to be 25. I'm not sure.

//******************************************************************************
// DEMOLITIONS CLASS WEAPONS
//******************************************************************************
set scr_wrm_shotgun "45"
set scr_wrm_doublebarreledshotgun "25"

I asked Labob if he was aware of any adjustments that had been made, he posted a bunch of stuff from one of the config files and said it was set at stock settings.  

You're actually a much better person to ask, though.  Do you remember changing the setting at all?

[Labob]

Those settings are from the stock game. That server is running the ace mod that's a custom mod. And I found it. My bad here's where things are at. Stock setting should read 100 for everything if its more or less its been changed. 

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// Turrets (Mountable MGs).
set ace_wdm_30cal "200"
set ace_wdm_mg42 "200"

// Perks.
set ace_wdm_grenade_launcher "200"
set ace_wdm_bazooka "200"
set ace_wdm_flamethrower "500"
set ace_wdm_bouncing_betty "100"
set ace_wdm_satchel_charge "100"

// Hardpoints.
set ace_wdm_artillery "100"
set ace_wdm_dogs "100"

// Grenade-like explosives.
set ace_wdm_molotov "100"
set ace_wdm_tabun_gas "100"
set ace_wdm_frag_grenade "100"
set ace_wdm_sticky_grenade "100"

// Pistols.
set ace_wdm_colt "200"
set ace_wdm_nambu "200"
set ace_wdm_tokarev "200"
set ace_wdm_walther "200"
set ace_wdm_magnum "200"

// Assault.
set ace_wdm_svt40 "200"
set ace_wdm_gewehr43 "200"
set ace_wdm_m1garand "200"
set ace_wdm_m1carbine "200"
set ace_wdm_stg44 "200"

// smg.
set ace_wdm_thompson "200"
set ace_wdm_mp40 "200"
set ace_wdm_type100smg "200"
set ace_wdm_ppsh "200"

// Heavy Gunner.
set ace_wdm_type99lmg "200"
set ace_wdm_fg42 "200"
set ace_wdm_bar "200"
set ace_wdm_dp28 "200"

// Demolitions.
set ace_wdm_doublebarreledshotgun "150"
set ace_wdm_shotgun "150"

// Snipers.
set ace_wdm_springfield "200"
set ace_wdm_mosinrifle "200"
set ace_wdm_type99rifle "200"
set ace_wdm_kar98k "200"
set ace_wdm_ptrs41 "200"

// tanks.
//set ace_wdm_t34_frontgunner "100"
//set ace_t34_gunner "100"
//set ace_wdm_t34tank "100"
//set ace_wdm_t34explosion "100"
//
//set ace_wdm_panzer4_frontgunner "100"
//set ace_wmd_panzer4_gunner "100"
//set ace_wdm_panzer4tank "100"
//set ace_wdm_panzerexplosion "100"

 

[2_MANY_BEERS]

3 hours ago, djMot said:

I asked Labob if he was aware of any adjustments that had been made, he posted a bunch of stuff from one of the config files and said it was set at stock settings.  

You're actually a much better person to ask, though.  Do you remember changing the setting at all?

Yeah I probably did. I went by what the book says for range. It is measured in meters. But I think I turned the trench gun up higher for some reason. If you want the pictures for all the weapons I will send them to ya.

Edited October 9, 2018 by 2_MANY_BEERS

[djMot]

All should be at 100? So that means the 100 means 100% of the damage parameters set elsewhere?  

So in other words, 100% of the values Beers mentioned?  These:

set scr_wrm_shotgun "45"
set scr_wrm_doublebarreledshotgun "25"

If that's the case, we've got a lot of weapons running at 200% of their rated firepower!

 

@2_MANY_BEERS - Where'd you get that book?  That looks like a pretty handy reference!

 

 

[2_MANY_BEERS]

2 minutes ago, djMot said:

All should be at 100? So that means the 100 means 100% of the damage parameters set elsewhere?  

So in other words, 100% of the values Beers mentioned?  These:

set scr_wrm_shotgun "45"
set scr_wrm_doublebarreledshotgun "25"

If that's the case, we've got a lot of weapons running at 200% of their rated firepower!

 

@2_MANY_BEERS - Where'd you get that book?  That looks like a pretty handy reference!

In the game store.

 

 

[Labob]

So the two your dealing with is wrm and wdm  weapon range modification  and weapon damage modification. 100 wdm  would be a kill at the  distance set in the wrm  200 would be a kill at a larger distance. Same goes for the distance setting my guess on the shoot guns the round would quickly fail after the distance set. SO if you up the 25 to 50 and the wdm is 100 it would be a one shot kill at 50 meters.  So the range set for the double barrel is set 25 meters. So that weapon at 100 (wdm) and (wrm) at 25 would be a kill. So now at  40 meters it could take 2 or 3 shoots to kill . Also keep in mind you have to nail the target a glance don't count   As it is right now the double barrel is set to (wrm) 25 and (wdm) is 150 so just a  guess because I have no idea what math they used would be a one shoot kill at say 60 meters.  And the handle perk just steady's the weapon so it becomes a rifle shoot gun

  So to make it do what you would like play with those numbers.

[spinpuppy]

I like pizza

[Labob]

I like your pizza 

[7Toes]

hey how about putting in the stock scope settings some have been changed so many time when you pull up certain scopes it readjusts about 3 times before set

[Labob]

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hey how about putting in the stock scope settings some have been changed so many time when you pull up certain scopes it readjusts about 3 times before set

 

That sounds more like a stickey key or dirty wheel on your mouse I guess depending on how you zoom

[2_MANY_BEERS]

12 hours ago, 7Toes said:

hey how about putting in the stock scope settings some have been changed so many time when you pull up certain scopes it readjusts about 3 times before set

All scoped rifles are set for minimum 1, start at 5, and maximum 8.

[7Toes]

1 hour ago, 2_MANY_BEERS said:

All scoped rifles are set for minimum 1, start at 5, and maximum 8.

then why does that 50cal i can recall the name zoom at 1 when you pull it up?but the rest start at 8?

[7Toes]

8 hours ago, Labob said:

That sounds more like a stickey key or dirty wheel on your mouse I guess depending on how you zoom

no labob like i told beers ^^^^^^^^ some are different than others and as a dirty wheel i don't use my wheel to zoom and my keys are not sticking so what do think?lol it that the some scopes have been messed with so much they all need to be set back to their standard settings that came with the game out of the box?then how much cod5 cust map2 do you play i have never seen you in there so how would yo know what the weapons are doing?

Edited October 11, 2018 by 7Toes
because i can

[Labob]

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  10 hours ago, Labob said:

That sounds more like a stickey key or dirty wheel on your mouse I guess depending on how you zoom

no labob like i told beers ^^^^^^^^ some are different than others and as a dirty wheel i don't use my wheel to zoom and my keys are not sticking so what do think?lol it that the some scopes have been messed with so much they all need to be set back to their standard settings that came with the game out of the box?then how much cod5 cust map2 do you play i have never seen you in there so how would yo know what the weapons are doing?

Edited 17 minutes ago by 7Toes 
because i can

Because I know how it works.  

 

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some are different than others

For one the settings apply to everybody the same way. There is no setting to may 7toes scope wonky and Harrys scope blue green with envy 

[2_MANY_BEERS]

It doesn't matter now cause no one can get into the server at this moment

[djMot]

Ha ha, Beers.  Damn NFO.

So I'm calling this more-or-less a tie and not going to change anything.  So y'all just get a grip, k?  

[MrCrowe]

On 10/12/2018 at 7:28 PM, djMot said:

Ha ha, Beers.  Damn NFO.

So I'm calling this more-or-less a tie and not going to change anything.  So y'all just get a grip, k?  

It's a totally unfair advantage. I used the pump with grip last night and it kills way too easy.

[2_MANY_BEERS]

7 hours ago, MrCrowe said:

It's a totally unfair advantage. I used the pump with grip last night and it kills way too easy.

looks like a tie after your vote.

[HarryWeezer]

Only 18 of 700 idiots have voted. Send the survey as a PM to all 700 idiots and see what you get. 

[Raisin]

Pretty sure if you attach the grip you lose perk slot 1. Not really sure if it's worth it in that case. I'd rather have 3 nades or satchels than a grip.

But if that is the case then it seems to be balanced well if the gun is that much better.