DEEJAYKEG Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Share Posted January 20, 2013 An assertion was made, yesterday, in-game that violent crime in the UK was "three times" the rate in Canada. Appreciating that my single word response of "b*llsh*t" was not educational, I thought it would be helpful to visit the relevant governmental web sites to obtain the statistics for each country. (NB: England & Wales' legal system and policing are separate from other constituent countries'.) I am not entirely sure that one can compare like-for-like as the counting rules in operation in Canada may vary from those in England & Wales but the raw figures I have collected are: Canada - population c. 35 million - violent crimes 424,410 (this works out at 1213 offences per 100,000 population) England & Wales - population 56.1 million (2011 census data) - violent crimes 822,000 (1500 offences per 100,000 population) Conclusion: The violent crime rate in England & Wales is higher than in Canada but not "three times" higher. The population density of Canada is 9.8 per square mile. The population density of the UK is 674 per square mile and of England 1000 per square mile. Sources: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11692/tbl/tbl04-eng.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm Please note that I am posting this as an educational service rather than an invitation for suggestions as to why our respective countries' violent crime rates are comparable or not. I have not embellished the raw statistics with any form of analysis, political or otherwise. I trust these facts will, therefore, remain accessible by all and ask that you do not hijack this for political motives that would cause its removal away from even my sight. Thank you. @@badmofof baldie, ENG4INE , LordOfChaos and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
blk_plague Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 3791 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 48 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 846 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 1141 Achievement Points: 8884 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 7 Birthday: 09/29/1970 Device: Android Share Posted January 20, 2013 Good intel and well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
AyaqGuyaq Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 3773 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 39 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3138 Content Per Day: 0.74 Reputation: 2983 Achievement Points: 24456 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2022 Birthday: 11/03/1966 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Awesome stats. Good to know. Unfortunately, sexual crimes in Alaska top the nation as far as rates per 100,000 go. Ayaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 It's probably because of things like this: http://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2012/12/what-country-has-most-violent-crime.html That give the UK that perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 Here is an interesting summary of crime stats comparing 36 different countries. http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) It's probably because of things like this: http://warnewsupdate...lent-crime.html That give the UK that perception. Click through and you will find that: i) The story is dated July 2009; ii) The story is published in a tabloid comic masquerading as a newspaper, called "The Mail". iii) The article states "The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available." (The "Tories" are the Conservative Party who were the Opposition at the time that the article was published, 3½ years ago.) That, my friend, is why my sources are the relevant governments. (Edit to correct typo.) Edited January 20, 2013 by DEEJAYKEG Bogleg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Awesome stats. Good to know. Unfortunately, sexual crimes in Alaska top the nation as far as rates per 100,000 go. Ayaq Wow really? Deejaykeg starts a new subject to correct some bullshit statistic thrown out in a conversation and you throw out yet another bullshit statistic that has absolutely nothing to do with this subject he is discussing? 1. Alaska isn't part of Canada 2. Alaska doesn't top any nation or US state for sexual crimes. In-fact the registered sex offenders per 100,000 in Alaska is much less than most US states. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127235597 GorillaXI and LordOfChaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 It's probably because of things like this: http://warnewsupdate...lent-crime.html That give the UK that perception. Click through and you will find that: i) The story is dated July 2009; ii) The story is published in a tabloid comic masquerading as a newspaper, called "The Mail". iii) The article states "The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available." (The "Tories" are the Conservative Party who were the Opposition at the time that the article was published, 3½ years ago.) That, my friend, is why my sources are the relevant governments. (Edit to correct typo.) Yeah that was my point, except I was too lazy to expound on it. We have poor media sources that give us false or even hyperbolic information, and that gets spread word-of-mouth or whatever until someone somewhere tells a guy who isn't too lazy to look it up that the UK has "three times" the violent crime as Canada. I do think those stats (the last link I posted, which has stats compiled from a UN data source for 2010-11) are interesting to look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
ANGU5 Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 2985 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 71 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1670 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 3012 Achievement Points: 20179 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 14 Joined: 11/13/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 9 hours ago Birthday: 12/01/1966 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) I was ok with Bullshit!! I nice info... Edited January 20, 2013 by ANGU5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Here is an interesting summary of crime stats comparing 36 different countries. http://www.civitas.o...oecdjan2012.pdf From a variety of sources, all of which are not current (some of which are seven years out-of-date) and put together by a private unofficial body. Does looking at historical data inform us today if we are not seeking to analyse a trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8276 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5995 Achievement Points: 53698 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Share Posted January 20, 2013 There's a little catch here that goverments use to make them selves look good. And that is what is a violent crime. Same as the unemployment rate in Canada does not include people on welfare or those that lost there UI benifets because time ran out. And so it goes on. JohnnyDos and LordOfChaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 296 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4479 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3643 Achievement Points: 36581 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 40 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 clue is that density is UK 6 times more of 1 sqaure mile Can so pack'em in like our condo's downtown toronto when done building down there i'm sure stats are going to raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
badmofof Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 2139 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 22 Achievement Points: 1051 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 7 Birthday: 07/09/1974 Device: Android Share Posted January 20, 2013 OMFG that rant wasnt educationl for me at all i dont feel enlightened . Well being we all extreme idiots in here i wanna be educated in other topics beside some useless violent crimes stats ! You posted all the shit because i said " 3 times " Can u educate me in the art of kama sutra or something i find thiese topics more worth my attention lololol . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 Here is an interesting summary of crime stats comparing 36 different countries. http://www.civitas.o...oecdjan2012.pdf From a variety of sources, all of which are not current (some of which are seven years out-of-date) and put together by a private unofficial body. Does looking at historical data inform us today if we are not seeking to analyse a trend? Yeah, I am not going to go through all of the most current data collected by the UN (which looks like 2010 data to me) but if I will post this bit: Assaults United States - 250.9 / 100000 citizens Canada - 161 / 100000 citizens United Kingdom (England and Wales) - 664.4 Sexual Assaults No data for United States in their Excel Spreadsheet Canada - 10.6 / 100000 (2010), 8 / 100000 (2009) United Kingdom (England and Wales) - no data for 2010. 2009 number: 31.8 / 100000 Robbery United States - 115.3 / 100000 Canada - 89.4 / 100000 UK (E&W) - 137.9 / 100000 Kidnapping No data for U.S. Canada - 12.7 / 100000 UK (E&W) - 3.1 / 100000 Homicide U.S. - 4.8 / 100000 Canada - 1.6 / 100000 UK (only data in the spreadsheet is for all of GB and N. Ireland) - 1.2 / 100000 That's from the most recent published dataset from the UN Office of Drugs and Crime (http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime.html). I think you could parse those stats to get to a 3:1 violent crime ratio between the UK and Canada if you look at assaults (sexual or otherwise), and robbery. The other two major violent crime categories are negligible (homicides and kidnappings, although you could always retort that canada has 4 times as many kidnappings as the UK). Assault ratio: 4.12 times more assaults in England in 2010 than in Canada Sexual assault ratio: 3.8 times more sexual assaults in England in 2010 than in Canada Robbery ratio: 1.54 times more robbery in England in 2010 than in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 And by the way, I am not disputing your original data, or your original conclusion that an accusation that the violent crime rate in the UK is 3x that of Canada was bullshit. I am just suggesting that it is not incomprehensible that someone would THINK that, given historical data and media reporting on such data. PimpedOutPete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
DEEJAYKEG Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1238 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 35 Topic Count: 1207 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6083 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 4984 Achievement Points: 50727 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 11 Joined: 03/12/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 11 Device: Kindle Fire Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 OMFG that rant wasnt educationl for me at all i dont feel enlightened . Well being we all extreme idiots in here i wanna be educated in other topics beside some useless violent crimes stats ! You posted all the shit because i said " 3 times " Can u educate me in the art of kama sutra or something i find thiese topics more worth my attention lololol . I'm sorry you're unable to distinguish between a "rant" and reasoned explanation, backed up with cited sources. However, one must be prepared for some reaction if one asserts something derogatory about another's country or society. It was reasonable, in my view, to post the facts in a public forum as the assertion was made in public. I shall always challenge obvious misinformation and exaggeration when it is presented as fact. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 20, 2013 OMFG that rant wasnt educationl for me at all i dont feel enlightened . Well being we all extreme idiots in here i wanna be educated in other topics beside some useless violent crimes stats ! You posted all the shit because i said " 3 times " Can u educate me in the art of kama sutra or something i find thiese topics more worth my attention lololol . I'm sorry you're unable to distinguish between a "rant" and reasoned explanation, backed up with cited sources. However, one must be prepared for some reaction if one asserts something derogatory about another's country or society. It was reasonable, in my view, to post the facts in a public forum as the assertion was made in public. I shall always challenge obvious misinformation and exaggeration when it is presented as fact. End of. Sorry Deejay, you must not have gotten the memo. On XI it is perfectly acceptable behavior for members to criticize another member’s country or society without fear of criticism for doing so. Those who take offense at derogatory comments made by other members must learn to suck it up and take it, and refrain from making a retaliatory comment about the offender’s country for fear of offending them. Welcome to the new world order. LordOfChaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14888 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 7829 Achievement Points: 91103 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted January 20, 2013 OMFG that rant wasnt educationl for me at all i dont feel enlightened . Well being we all extreme idiots in here i wanna be educated in other topics beside some useless violent crimes stats ! You posted all the shit because i said " 3 times " Can u educate me in the art of kama sutra or something i find thiese topics more worth my attention lololol . I'm sorry you're unable to distinguish between a "rant" and reasoned explanation, backed up with cited sources. However, one must be prepared for some reaction if one asserts something derogatory about another's country or society. It was reasonable, in my view, to post the facts in a public forum as the assertion was made in public. I shall always challenge obvious misinformation and exaggeration when it is presented as fact. End of. Sorry Deejay, you must not have gotten the memo. On XI it is perfectly acceptable behavior for members to criticize another member’s country or society without fear of criticism for doing so. Those who take offense at derogatory comments made by other members must learn to suck it up and take it, and refrain from making a retaliatory comment about the offender’s country for fear of offending them. Welcome to the new world order. Thanks Alex Jones.. Ops, I mean Steve.....Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14888 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 7829 Achievement Points: 91103 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted January 20, 2013 No need for anyone to lose thier goose over this. Dee was just clarifying information someone mentioned in game. This is not an atttack on any particular nation, but just information that we can all find ourselves. Footnote... Each country calculates violent crime rates in diffrent ways so making these comparisons are difficult at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Chris Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1357 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 65 Topic Count: 181 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2292 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 1732 Achievement Points: 16615 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 04/21/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 15 hours ago Birthday: 09/11/1972 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 No need for anyone to lose thier goose over this. Dee was just clarifying information someone mentioned in game. This is not an atttack on any particular nation, but just information that we can all find ourselves. Footnote... Each country calculates violent crime rates in diffrent ways so making these comparisons are difficult at best. Agreement here. Think he was pointing out the flaw in reporting it the way it was. End of. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Morris Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1942 Group: +++ COD5 Head Admin Followers: 20 Topic Count: 142 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1424 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 894 Achievement Points: 10848 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: May 11 Birthday: 09/21/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Them pesky English........ let me please enlighten you on the stats for Scotland 2011 None 2012 None Why ........ cos its piggin freezing and they are all in the pub he he he he Edited January 20, 2013 by Morris LordOfChaos and little_old_man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
AyeAyeRon Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1371 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 18 Topic Count: 348 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1906 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 585 Achievement Points: 14042 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/26/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 2, 2018 Birthday: 03/01/1990 Share Posted January 20, 2013 i BET ST.LOUIS HAS MORE CRIME THAN CANADA ALONE ! ahah Cpt.TennealXI, PimpedOutPete and little_old_man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14888 Content Per Day: 2.77 Reputation: 7829 Achievement Points: 91103 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 8 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: iPhone Share Posted January 20, 2013 i BET ST.LOUIS HAS MORE CRIME THAN CANADA ALONE ! ahah Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
blk_plague Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 3791 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 48 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 846 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 1141 Achievement Points: 8884 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 7 Birthday: 09/29/1970 Device: Android Share Posted January 20, 2013 I soooooo love being in this clan u guy's are seriously the smartest and coolest idiots in the world. thanks for the different point of views and Intel gathering abilities. LordOfChaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted January 20, 2013 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted January 20, 2013 i BET ST.LOUIS HAS MORE CRIME THAN CANADA ALONE ! ahah If we could sell Chicago to Canada our crime rate would drop about 90%. It wouldn't be a big deal, it's already really close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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