Labob Posted January 20 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Share Posted January 20 So I use a power line adapter from my server to my roku. Not so much for movies wifi works fine for that but for OTA signal. I networked my antena so my local channels are available anywhere I am logged on. That takes some bandwidht. Now I also use a lot of smart plugs. I've always had an issue with the powerline adapters dropping its bandwidth to almost nil. I lucked out last week and was looking at them when my better half asked google to turn on the night lights. Google lite up our house and bamm I got a red light on the powerline adapters. Nothing but luck because I had no idea why it keept losing signal. So a bit of reading and my conclusionis the smart plugs are poluting the electric curent causing the drop in signal. So the question is how to I add a filter to this problem. A house filter is over a $1000 and not going to happen. Individual plug filters as well will run up a big bill I have over 30 smart plugs. I was trying to figure out if a ferret line filter would work on the plug I'm using the powerline adapter on. Add it before the plug. Will that screw up teh signal as well ?? I ask because its not stopping the incoming noise but blocking it from the power line adapter. I hope this makes some sence to somebody. Its an interesting problem though. And yes for now if I want to watch OTA signal I turn off teh plugs but thats not a real fix is it Thanks for any idea and thoughts bds1961, BlackRose and Bogleg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BUDMAN Posted January 20 Member ID: 800 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 152 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 6946 Content Per Day: 1.32 Reputation: 4486 Achievement Points: 58227 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/27/09 Status: Online Last Seen: 4 minutes ago Birthday: 05/29/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20 (edited) That's what we referred to as RF in the automobile business and was 99% of the time caused by aftermarket equipment. I know this is no help but I know what you are dealing with. Edited January 20 by BUDMAN added link Labob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
srt4fun Posted January 20 Member ID: 28302 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 44 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 21 Achievement Points: 307 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/20 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/06/1981 Device: Windows Share Posted January 20 I used to use them as well for TVs and such. Found that if they were on the same leg they would work better. But even so, if certain appliances turned on it would disrupt the network. Even if they were on the same branch circuit they would get slow. Got so fed up I just ran Cat6 to each room, lol. Filters aren't necessarily a good thing, had a power strip that had a filter in it but the power line adapter would not work, while plugged into it, until I removed the filter from the strip, hahaha. My whole house is automated with zwave and zigbee devices so I agree with you that filtering each device is really not going to happen...probably cheaper (and much much more reliable) to just run cat6 through the house than to buy filters for each device! Labob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 21 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 21 I whis I could its a big house 3 stories office is in the 4th bedroom conversion so is the fiber . running cat 6 through the house I would have to create a room in teh basement to collect everything. Such a big big job. Thats why I'm trying to find a way to filter one outlet and not have it cut the bandwidth. If possible which seems like a lot of work too srt4fun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
WeednFeed Posted January 21 Member ID: 433 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 39 Topic Count: 345 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 2333 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 3799 Achievement Points: 24047 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 35 Joined: 09/17/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 10 hours ago Birthday: 05/28/1957 Device: iPhone Share Posted January 21 So I’m assuming all these plugs MIGHT be on more than 1 circuit? The first thing I would do is to see if only one smart plug is the bad apple. Just disconnect 1 smart plug at a time, do your test to see if you can identify 1 bad smart plug. If it is just one remove it or replace it. If all those smart plugs are in the same circuit maybe running that the circuit through a UPS. Uninterrupted Power Supply if you have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
bds1961 Posted January 21 Member ID: 1213 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 19 Topic Count: 172 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5349 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 13963 Achievement Points: 47129 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 174 Joined: 03/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Birthday: 10/11/1961 Device: iPad Share Posted January 21 For switch’s and plugs in my house I used the Insteon products. They communicate to each other through both RF and line carrier signal. Have never had an issue with them interfering with any other thing in the house. Great products but not cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
srt4fun Posted January 21 Member ID: 28302 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 44 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 21 Achievement Points: 307 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/20 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/06/1981 Device: Windows Share Posted January 21 (edited) Ahhh yes, I see the predicament... How many powerline devices do you have in-network? which models do you use? I had 2 in place at the beginning, then added a 3rd later. When it was 2 it was quite reliable, unless heavy electric usage. After I added the 3rd (same model) did notice a degradation of the powerline network (dropping to orange/red more often)... Possibly due to the "noise" from the additional repeater. If you are using more than 2 devices, try removing all but 2, activate your smart plugs a few times, and observe your signal status. If it stays good, add back a powerline device one at a time, and repeat test. That may help you find the saturation limit for your devices. But then again, it may be a single powerline device that is pulling your network down. If you are comfortable with your electrical panel, you could make sure that all your powerline devices are on the same phase (crossing phases can reduce signal quality by a little or a lot depending on your home's electric supply). Some AFCI/GFCI breakers can filter your powerline signal as well... Edited January 21 by srt4fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 21 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 21 2 power line plugs d-link av2 1000 .It use to be 2 tp-link powerline plugs but inan effort to find teh issue I replaced them with newer ones. (Bigger Bettter Faster . Runng tp-link smart plugs 11 plugs 3 light switches. After about 6 plugs turned on the signal drops fast.After a couple more the light goes red and I buffer. Also the signal drops slower if I turn the plugs on from the outer edge of the circle so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
srt4fun Posted January 22 Member ID: 28302 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 44 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 21 Achievement Points: 307 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/20 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 11/06/1981 Device: Windows Share Posted January 22 (edited) Ahhh, gotcha, so just one pair. Then there's not much to do that's easy or cheap...filtering each smart plug individually has the possibility to not help the situation either. The best suggestion I have is to check if both circuits that the adapters are plugged into are the same phase. If not, plug one of the adapters into a nearby circuit on the same phase as the other and retest with your smart plugs. Hopefully there will be improvement. If they are already on same phase, then I don't have any other suggestions The ones I have are a pair of Netgear PL1010v2s and a matching WiFi powerline extender. If you want to try another brand I could send you these ones (They have been sitting on a shelf for 6+ months), lol. Edited January 22 by srt4fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 22 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4466 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3627 Achievement Points: 36490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 22 On 1/20/2024 at 9:58 PM, Labob said: I whis I could its a big house 3 stories office is in the 4th bedroom conversion so is the fiber . running cat 6 through the house I would have to create a room in teh basement to collect everything. Such a big big job. Thats why I'm trying to find a way to filter one outlet and not have it cut the bandwidth. If possible which seems like a lot of work too no pain no gain bobby use the plumbing vent stack to reach your floors through the home, from basement to roof using Cat 6 STP cable, UTP is a waste of money IMHO. Note: A single run of Ethernet cable is designed to work at a maximum of 328 feet or 100 meters. use a manageable switch to 2-3 routers of your choice for each floor. this set-up wil meet your needs and fire walled to the Max Modem>managed smart switch>network PC terminal>Routers>and rest of hardware And a Smart-UP to run system in basement. guaranteed protected and fast, with a fishing tape can run the RJ45 cable along plumping stack to each floor and branch out to routers on each floor. from routers have wire or wireless coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 22 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4466 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3627 Achievement Points: 36490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 22 (edited) with the extra port on smart switch can run to the patio/garage and IP Phone modem also if longer than 100m add a router as a repeater for the smart-up can find those at government sales or auctions a lot cheaper just buy new battery's around $50-80 and last 4-6 years is my experience Note: if have a IP Phone the smart-up will have a a phone when power is off (depends on load run time of smart-up, can parallel the battery's to increase run time) Edited January 22 by KaptCrunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 22 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4466 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3627 Achievement Points: 36490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 22 i can a test that dirty power not good for computers, for having brown outs was losing HDD's to corrupt writes to platter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 22 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 22 Thanks Kapt seems like an aful lot of work to watch my local news once a day srt4fun I will try to figure out the wireing plan to see if I can get the smart plugs off the powerline run. Seem like a good plan. Thank you for all you ideas and hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Bogleg Posted January 22 Member ID: 907 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 96 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2731 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 3928 Achievement Points: 26177 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/20/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 19 Birthday: 02/10/1969 Device: Windows Share Posted January 22 I use a Powerline Adapter as well. Mine goes Orbi Router -> Powerline Adapter -> Powerline Adapter -> TV. The TV in the family room is connected to it. I have two smart plugs on the same circuit as the Powerline Adapter the TV is using - both Sonoff smart plugs running floor lamps. In my office where the cable modem is I don't have any smart plugs on that circuit. To my knowledge I haven't had any issues with this setup. Labob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 23 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4466 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3627 Achievement Points: 36490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, Labob said: Thanks Kapt seems like an aful lot of work to watch my local news once a day srt4fun I will try to figure out the wireing plan to see if I can get the smart plugs off the powerline run. Seem like a good plan. Thank you for all you ideas and hard work. really not that hard using plumbing stack as runway provided is a straight run drop set-up as depicted, by using solid heavy rod with a hole in to tie twine rope and all your runs that match available ports from switch in one attempt. when reach a floor have hole in stack passage an hook your line in. Other choice is chimney. if own the home is a bonus when sell time come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PHUCKITMAN Posted January 23 Member ID: 23 Group: ++ COD2 Admin Followers: 32 Topic Count: 192 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1830 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 1556 Achievement Points: 16063 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 8 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: Wednesday at 02:07 AM Birthday: 08/06/1960 Device: Windows Share Posted January 23 12 hours ago, Labob said: Thanks Kapt seems like an aful lot of work to watch my local news once a day srt4fun I will try to figure out the wireing plan to see if I can get the smart plugs off the powerline run. Seem like a good plan. Thank you for all you ideas and hard work. Doesn't your Local News Broadcast have a cast on the Web? Most of the big City Stations down here in the States replay their News braodcasts online as well as have a person updating anything that just happened before they can go on air for whatever reason like not wanting to interrupt a Soap Opera or Game Show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
KaptCrunch Posted January 23 Member ID: 389 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 45 Topic Count: 295 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4466 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3627 Achievement Points: 36490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 2 hours ago Birthday: 01/01/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted January 23 6 hours ago, PHUCKITMAN said: Doesn't your Local News Broadcast have a cast on the Web? Most of the big City Stations down here in the States replay their News braodcasts online as well as have a person updating anything that just happened before they can go on air for whatever reason like not wanting to interrupt a Soap Opera or Game Show? Samsung has free content but has ads, other is digital air the quality is far better than internet Labob and PHUCKITMAN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
YACCster Posted January 23 Member ID: 20683 Group: ++ COD4 Admin Followers: 138 Topic Count: 309 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 3349 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 4087 Achievement Points: 45228 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 22 Joined: 12/12/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: 4 hours ago Device: iPhone Share Posted January 23 Get a good mesh wifi setup maybe? Bogleg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 23 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, YACCster said: Get a good mesh wifi setup maybe? Got a mesh system going I love it too. YACCster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 23 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, PHUCKITMAN said: Doesn't your Local News Broadcast have a cast on the Web? Most of the big City Stations down here in the States replay their News braodcasts online as well as have a person updating anything that just happened before they can go on air for whatever reason like not wanting to interrupt a Soap Opera or Game Show? I can watch local news on global but they run lower 3rds and the right side 20% is adds adds adds. If I watch Ota it's full screen and the picture it true 1080. PHUCKITMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
MikeB Posted January 23 Member ID: 59 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 12 Topic Count: 137 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2109 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 2327 Achievement Points: 15107 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 13 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 22 hours ago Device: Windows Share Posted January 23 Use a light switch !!! Problem solved. People are getting too lazy BUDMAN, BlackRose, major-mark63 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
BlackRose Posted January 23 Member ID: 2208 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 110 Topic Count: 305 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3619 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 3944 Achievement Points: 37737 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/09/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: 1 hour ago Birthday: 06/09/1963 Device: Windows Share Posted January 23 wrap tinfoil around them,,,,,lol PHUCKITMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 23 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 23 30 minutes ago, MikeB said: Use a light switch !!! Problem solved. People are getting too lazy To me its a startrek thing. Find it really cool. Odd maybe lazy yes but fun PHUCKITMAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 23 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, BlackRose said: wrap tinfoil around them,,,,,lol I would love to place a faraday cage of sorts around them but then they would not work ? Than MikeB would have his way unless I started breeding and teaching the kids to runaround turning lights on and off. Scary solution. Aluminum is for hats. KaptCrunch, MikeB , PHUCKITMAN and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Labob Posted January 23 Member ID: 42 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 50 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 8265 Content Per Day: 1.54 Reputation: 5977 Achievement Points: 53618 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 12 Joined: 09/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 5 hours ago Birthday: 01/30/1959 Device: Android Author Share Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, MikeB said: Use a light switch !!! Problem solved. People are getting too lazy Its even more fun when you start using ifttt https://ifttt.com/explore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
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