GPU upgrade?

[Bloodrunner]

Hi All, I'm sure there are a number of you that have more PC knowledge in your nose picking finger than I have in my whole body so here goes! I was told a RTX 3060 GPU would work but having installed it I just get a blank screen. It fires up and lights up but thats about it,

I've tried it in another PC  and it works in that, slightly better specs than mine but not much. Any ideas, failing having to buy a new PC i could try upgrading my card to one that would work, I think mine is beginning to fail.

 

Many thanks in advance

My PC windows 10 

MB

 Manufacturer    Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd.
Model    Z77X-UD5H (Intel Core i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz)
Version    x.x
Chipset Vendor    Intel
Chipset Model    Ivy Bridge

Package    Socket 1155 LGA
Chipset Revision    09
Southbridge Vendor    Intel
Southbridge Model    Z77
Southbridge Revision    04
System Temperature    40 °C

PCI Data
        Slot PCI-E
            Slot Type    PCI-E
            Slot Usage    In Use
            Data lanes    x16
            Slot Designation    J6B2
            Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
            Slot Number    0
        Slot PCI-E
            Slot Type    PCI-E
            Slot Usage    In Use
            Data lanes    x1
            Slot Designation    J6B1
            Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
            Slot Number    1
        Slot PCI-E
            Slot Type    PCI-E
            Slot Usage    In Use
            Data lanes    x8
            Slot Designation    J6D1
            Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
            Slot Number    2

Slot PCI-E
    Slot Type    PCI-E
    Slot Usage    In Use
    Data lanes    x16
    Slot Designation    J7B1
    Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
    Slot Number    3
Slot PCI-E
    Slot Type    PCI-E
    Slot Usage    In Use
    Data lanes    x1
    Slot Designation    J8B4
    Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
    Slot Number    4
Slot PCI
    Slot Type    PCI
    Slot Usage    In Use
    Bus Width    32 bit
    Slot Designation    J8B3
    Characteristics    3.3V, Shared, PME
    Slot Number    5

Intel Core i5 3570K
    Cores    4
    Threads    4
    Name    Intel Core i5 3570K
    Code Name    Ivy Bridge
    Package    Socket 1155 LGA
    Technology    22nm
    Specification    Intel Core i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz

GPU

Manufacturer    ATI
Model    AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series

power 650w

[Merlin007]

Is your monitor connection to your PC the same? ie. HDMI, displayport, etc?

Your going from AMD GPU to Nvidia... Did you uninstall the AMD drivers and then install the latest Nvidia drivers?

[Bloodrunner]

2 hours ago, Merlin007 said:

Is your monitor connection to your PC the same? ie. HDMI, displayport, etc?

Your going from AMD GPU to Nvidia... Did you uninstall the AMD drivers and then install the latest Nvidia drivers?

thanks for the reply

yes connection is the same and I uninstalled the amd drivers but then....did I install the nvidea ones, I think I had a problem there, I couldn't pre install them because it didn't detect the relevant GPU and obviously when I had the GPU installed I only had a blank screen

 

[Timmah!]

On board graphics should provide imaging in the interim...

[WeednFeed]

That card has 2 power cables I believe. 

As @Timmah! stated your onboard graphics should have kicked in. Unplug the card and see if you motherboard graphics works works. 
you may have some NVIDEA drivers screwed up from your earlier attempt. Look for them them and uninstall them if need be. Then reinstall the card and try again 

[Merlin007]

If still a blank screen after trying the above, plug your monitor into the onboard dvi or hdmi, not the card, this will then use the standard video drivers. leave the card in, then proceed to try and install the drivers for the card.

[Tw33tle_Dee]

When switching vendors for graphics , I use Display Driver Uninstaller. Program will block windows from installing drivers after uninstall and shut down the pc after uninstall. You can restart and install Nvidia drivers clean.

DDU-  https://www.wagnardsoft.com/

[Bloodrunner]

21 hours ago, Timmah! said:

On board graphics should provide imaging in the interim...

Yup, the Nvidea download tool does a system sweep then tells me i have no Nvidea card installed so won't download the drivers. I think I'll just have to resign myself to the fact that my system comes up as 'woeful' for gaming and unless I find a better GPU for my system will have to wait until I have the funds for new components

[Timmah!]

23 minutes ago, Bloodrunner said:

Yup, the Nvidea download tool does a system sweep then tells me i have no Nvidea card installed so won't download the drivers. I think I'll just have to resign myself to the fact that my system comes up as 'woeful' for gaming and unless I find a better GPU for my system will have to wait until I have the funds for new components

So, don't use the download tool.

Manually download it.

[Merlin007]

As @Timmah! said, just download manually and install.

Based on the info you noted to start, this is the search result for the driver you need.

Driver... https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/224750/en-us/

[srt4fun]

Do you get BIOS display with the new card?

If no display at BIOS --> Since the 3060 worked in another system, it's likely a BIOS issue. Reinstall the 3060, clear CMOS, power on, and should be good to go!

 

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by srt4fun

[CW4]

Where did you get the card from?  If all the connections to card to the monitor are the same you should be able to boot to the BIOS a no drivers are needed.  If you can't it could be a bad card or the monitor input selector is on the wrong setting.

[Twinkie 13]

BIOS could be setup for onboard video or on CPU video. 

[KaptCrunch]

NOTE: you need to know your the motherboard Revision # before you do any firmware update to BIOS

look for on MB for Rev.X.XX     will tell you what one have  you have 2 options for are 2 revisions made to your model number Rev.1.0 and Rev.1.1   

also this MB not support the full use of your 3060 is PCI-e Ver3  and MB is only PCi-e Ver2

reason for that MB may use a  chevy motor or ford motor  meaning that are different and not  interechangable for the instructions for chip venders are not same.

EG. if done wrong firmware used will get a blank screen or i/o functions not working due to wrong instruction.  

Edited May 24, 2024 by KaptCrunch

[Bloodrunner]

6 minutes ago, KaptCrunch said:

NOTE: you need to know your the motherboard Revision # before you do any firmware update to BIOS

look for on MB for Rev.X.XX     will tell you what one have  you have 2 options for are 2 revisions made to your model number Rev.1.0 and Rev.1.1   

also this MB not support the full use of your 3060 is PCI-e Ver3  and MB is only PCi-e Ver2

 

There you go, thanks, I thought this might have been the problem but I was told they were pci-e ver 3. Maybe I'll just have to pay out for a new mb and cpu

[Tw33tle_Dee]

Pci-e 3 and pci-e 2 slots are backwards compatible. Card will work in a pci-e 2 slot but at pci-e 2 speeds. I have a pci-e 3 card running on a pci-e 2 motherboard with no problems. The card will just not reach it’s full rated speeds.

[Bloodrunner]

3 minutes ago, Tw33tle_Dee said:

Pci-e 3 and pci-e 2 slots are backwards compatible. Card will work in a pci-e 2 slot but at pci-e 2 speeds. I have a pci-e 3 card running on a pci-e 2 motherboard with no problems. The card will just not reach it’s full rated speeds.

I have a feeling its a pci-e 4 card thats backward compatible to a pci-e 3. As said I'm a real numpty when it comes to this sort of thing but hey! its an excuse to buy another pc

[KaptCrunch]

TweedleDee  is correct   will work but not at speed of card  just PCI-e  of MB 

[KaptCrunch]

All are and Tweedle Dee  is correct 

[Bloodrunner]

Well. sadly. tonight my old radeon 7850 gave up the ghost, it has served me well, may it rest in peace. Unfortunately I'm just about to go away on business and with the May bank holiday I won't be able to sort it until I come back.

Thanks for your help and suggestions, I might look at a whole new set up when I come back.

[jointz]

Have a good trip sir!!

[Krackennutz]

had this with complete new set up no bios screen no display tried old card fine,Mb fans etc going, THEN remembered hd same problem many yrs ago,get a soft cloth and clean the GPU connections,then try it,they accutally tarnish,same can happen with new motherboards,in that case you have two options being a channle ...1  usse brand new soft tooth brussh or option 2  insssert GPU but not click it into place just rock it in the channle a few times...

even got frustrated with new set up i sent lot back mb.cpu ram.gpu..they tested it fine ,got it back had same problem then remembered above....bing worked ....you have to remember most gpu and mbs sit for months maybe in anti static bag but have air locked in so tarnishing happens

As for old software, just delete then go into C and delete there folders allso if you have hidden folders enabled you will see USER in C click in there and remove them, most software removals just disable but do not remover the original[ thiss is called clean install],  on restart Windows will or should use a default driver to use may take 2 attempts,then install new drivers from web or downloaded

ps if you do not feel comfortable doing the clean install process do not do it

[KaptCrunch]

21 hours ago, Krackennutz said:

had this with complete new set up no bios screen no display tried old card fine,Mb fans etc going, THEN remembered hd same problem many yrs ago,get a soft cloth and clean the GPU connections,then try it,they accutally tarnish,same can happen with new motherboards,in that case you have two options being a channle ...1  usse brand new soft tooth brussh or option 2  insssert GPU but not click it into place just rock it in the channle a few times...

even got frustrated with new set up i sent lot back mb.cpu ram.gpu..they tested it fine ,got it back had same problem then remembered above....bing worked ....you have to remember most gpu and mbs sit for months maybe in anti static bag but have air locked in so tarnishing happens

As for old software, just delete then go into C and delete there folders allso if you have hidden folders enabled you will see USER in C click in there and remove them, most software removals just disable but do not remover the original[ thiss is called clean install],  on restart Windows will or should use a default driver to use may take 2 attempts,then install new drivers from web or downloaded

ps if you do not feel comfortable doing the clean install process do not do it

POOR MANS WAY   

ReArch the pins by using a safety pin that fits in  the square holes on PCI-e slot and push in a angle to the center of slot,  for cleaning card use a new pencil eraser to rub clean the copper contacts.

[Bloodrunner]

Once again thanks for your advice.

An update, I found an old GPU HD9790, which is a bit of an upgrade to my other one I think, anyway, when trying to plug the DVI in to my monitor I cracked the screen  so now  on an old 12" by 12" screen until another arrives. I think someone is trying to tell me not to bother!!

I went for an old gpu as I'm still considering upgrading my system to one that doesn't run on steam.