A Florida Court Sets Atheist Holy Day!

[JohnnyDos]

A Florida Court Sets Atheist Holy Day!

Gotta love this Judge!

 

You must read this......

A proper decision by the courts...

for a change.

 

 

A FLORIDA COURT SETS

ATHEIST HOLY DAY

 

In Florida , an atheist created a case against Easter and Passover Holy days. He hired an attorney to bring a discrimination case against Christians and Jews and observances of their holy days. The argument was that it was unfair that atheists had no such recognized days.

 

The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the passionate presentation by the lawyer, the judge banged his gavel declaring, "Case dismissed!"

 

The lawyer immediately stood and objecting to the ruling saying,

"Your honor, How can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and others.

The Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah, yet my client and all other atheists have no such holidays..."

The judge leaned forward in his chair saying, "But you do. Your client, counselor, is woefully ignorant."

The lawyer said," Your Honor, we are unaware of any special observance or holiday for atheists."

The judge said, "The calendar says April 1st is April Fools Day. Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.' Thus, it is the opinion of this court, that, if your client says there is no God, then he is a fool. Therefore,

April 1st is his day.

 

Court is adjourned..."

You gotta love a Judge that knows his scripture!

[Mazdarati]

lol love it

[Sonovabich]

What about Festivus for the rest of us

[Astronomer]

Waitaminnit...if someone puts up a "joke" that puts down <insert religion here> on this forum (and this is the "General" section, not Jokes, Humour etc. - not that it makes a difference) the poster gets scolded and the joke taken down. How is this any different? 20% of the USA population are atheists http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States,

and non-believers are now the third-largest group behind Christianity and Islam http://www.dailymail...nity-Islam.html

 

That reads more like a parable to the faithful than a joke.

 

Peace,

 

- Astronomer

 

Edit: and this story is fictional: http://www.truthorfi...ist-holiday.htm

Edited December 20, 2012 by Astronomer

[DEEJAYKEG]

Whilst amusing, the story is false.

See: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/atheist.asp

[JohnnyDos]

Well I didn't know it was false.

[Tristan]

Hedens had celebrations during this time of year long before christians called it their own. Just saying.....

So atheist can call it turning of he sun instead of christmas like we did before.

 

A judge that quotes bible alng with a ruling should be put in prison himself...... . but for this rather stupid request from an atheist might just work fine this time. What a moron.

 

If story is true, i just lost fait in mankind and look forward to Ragnarok tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hemps]

too bad thats not true, would of been great if it happened!

[Hemps]

[Pharticus]

A judge that quotes bible alng with a ruling should be put in prison himself...... . but for this rather stupid request from an atheist might just work fine this time. What a moron.

 

 

In America's infancy all lawyers were educated from the Bible because that's what our laws are based on. A quick study of Ivy League universities ( Harvard, Yale, etc ) will provide some interesting reading.

 

Just one example:

 

 

How Christians Started the Ivy League

 

By Editorial Staff

Published April 6, 2008

Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth – all owe their origins to the gospel.

Probably no segment of American society has turned out a greater number of illustrious graduates than New England’s Ivy League. Labels like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, still carry their own mystique and a certain aura of elitism and prestige.

Yet perhaps it would surprise most to learn that almost every Ivy League school was established primarily to train ministers of the gospel – and to evangelize the Atlantic seaboard.

 

Harvard, 1638

It only took eighteen years from the time the Pilgrims set foot on Plymouth Rock until the Puritans, who were among the most educated people of their day, founded the first and perhaps most famous Ivy League school. Their story, in brief, is etched today in an entry way to Harvard Yard:

“After God had carried us safely to New England, and we had built our houses, provided necessaries for our livelihood, reared convenient places for God’s worship, and settled the civil government; one of the next things we longed for, and looked after was to advance learning, and perpetuate it to posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate ministry to the churches, when our present ministers shall lie in the dust.”

Harvard College’s first presidents and tutors insisted that there could be no true knowledge or wisdom without Jesus Christ, and but for their passionate Christian convictions, there would have been no Harvard.

Harvard’s “Rules and Precepts adopted in 1646 included the following essentials: “Every one shall consider the main end of his life and studies to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life. Seeing the Lord giveth wisdom, every one shall seriously by prayer in secret seek wisdom of Him. Every one shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day that they be ready to give an account of their proficiency therein, both in theoretical observations of languages and logic, and in practical and spiritual truths….”

According to reliable calculations, 52 percent of the 17th century Harvard graduates became ministers!

 

Yale, 1701

By the turn of the century Christians in the Connecticut region launched Yale as an alternative to Harvard. Many thought Harvard too far away and too expensive, and they also observed that the spiritual climate at Harvard was not what it once had been.

 

Princeton, 1746

This school, originally called “The College of New Jersey,” sprang up in part from the impact of the First Great Awakening. It also retained its evangelical vigor longer than any other Ivy League school. In fact, Princeton’s presidents were evangelical until at least the turn of the Twentieth Century, as also many of the faculty.

 

Dartmouth, 1754

A strong missionary thrust launched this new school in New Hampshire. Its royal charter, signed by King George of England, specified the school’s intent to reach the Indian tribes, and to educate and Christianize English youth as well. Eleazar Wheelock, a close friend of evangelist George Whitefield, secured the charter.

 

Columbia, William and Mary, Rutgers, Brown & UPenn

The first president of New York’s Columbia University, first known as “King’s College,” at one time served as a missionary to America under the English-based “Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts.” The Church of England established the College of William and Mary, near today’s colonial Williamsburg. Dutch Reformed revivalists founded Queen’s College (later Rutgers University) in New Jersey. Brown University originated with the Baptist churches scattered on the Atlantic seaboard. With the exception of the University of Pennsylvania, every collegiate institution founded in the colonies prior to the Revolutionary War was established by some branch of the Christian Church.

Even at UPenn, however, an evangelist played a prominent part. When Philadelphia churches denied revivalist George Whitefield access to their pulpits, forcing him to preach in the open, some of Whitefield’s admirers, among them Benjamin Franklin, decided to erect a building to accommodate the great crowds that wanted to hear him. The structure they built became the first building of what is now the University of Pennsylvania, and a statue of Whitefield stands prominently on that campus today.

Though the Ivy League schools eventually turned secular, they fed into the mainstream of society in those earlier days a great army of graduates who could claim Jesus Christ as personal Savior and Lord, and who left a strong impact on our nation. Their presidents and their faculties helped to set a high spiritual tone, and at times their campuses in turn felt the impact of revival. The educators of early America understood that the moral climate of its schools, colleges and universities would shape its future generations, and could ultimately decide the course of the nation.

Reprinted from The Rebirth of America, published by the Arthur S. DeMoss Foundation.

Edited December 20, 2012 by Pharticus

[Tristan]

Get your point Pharticus, but even if the laws are based on the bible, he should be quoting the law, not the bible itself.

 

But saw people her posting proof that the story was just a story, not real. Good story tho

[simplemod]

Merry CHRISTmas!!!!!!!!!!!

[GhostfaceJim]

Why is it always Florida?

[Astronomer]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

[little_old_man]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

 

>XI< Code of Conduct

 

 

 

XI is an adult clan with no prohibitions on use of language except for two primary rules: no racist remarks, and no personal attacks. You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it. If you believe someone has broken one of our rules, let an admin know and we will take action as needed. We also do not tolerate cheating or disrespect by members or guests, and insist on good sportsmanship. Violations can lead to permanent bans. We play for fun, we play with honor, and we strive to treat each other with respect and consideration. No one, member or guest, is above our Code.

[Astronomer]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

 

>XI< Code of Conduct

 

 

 

XI is an adult clan with no prohibitions on use of language except for two primary rules: no racist remarks, and no personal attacks. You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it. If you believe someone has broken one of our rules, let an admin know and we will take action as needed. We also do not tolerate cheating or disrespect by members or guests, and insist on good sportsmanship. Violations can lead to permanent bans. We play for fun, we play with honor, and we strive to treat each other with respect and consideration. No one, member or guest, is above our Code.

 

 

...and last I heard, discussion of politics (banished to its own hidden corner) and religion are banned. With good reason. I recall a discussion on political candidate's faith getting shut down as disrespectful or divisive or somesuch. How is calling someone a fool for not being believing in what another group believes any different, hmmm?

 

I'm not actually all that sensitive, but there has to be some consistency, don't you think?

Edited December 21, 2012 by Astronomer

[PimpedOutPete]

Whilst amusing, the story is false.

See: http://www.snopes.co...ion/atheist.asp

 

Thank you for clearing this up Deej. I agree, an amusing story but false. Just someone trying to make a political statement while completely lying about it.

[little_old_man]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

 

 

>XI< Code of Conduct

 

 

 

XI is an adult clan with no prohibitions on use of language except for two primary rules: no racist remarks, and no personal attacks. You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it. If you believe someone has broken one of our rules, let an admin know and we will take action as needed. We also do not tolerate cheating or disrespect by members or guests, and insist on good sportsmanship. Violations can lead to permanent bans. We play for fun, we play with honor, and we strive to treat each other with respect and consideration. No one, member or guest, is above our Code.

 

 

...and last I heard, discussion of politics (banished to its own hidden corner) and religion are banned. With good reason. I recall a discussion on political candidate's faith getting shut down as disrespectful or divisive or somesuch. How is calling someone a fool for not being believing in what another group believes any different, hmmm?

 

I'm not actually all that sensitive, but there has to be some consistency, don't you think?

 

Wow, where do I start? How about determining if Atheism is a religion or not?

 

Atheism is the absence of god-belief. Atheism has no dogma, no rites, no holy books, no places of worship and no clergy of any description. It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view. It is not a religion. In effect, calling an atheist a fool doesn't fall under a religious or political discussion, although you're doing your best to turn it into one.

 

So, we've determined that the original post was a joke about an event that never happened. By design, most jokes (at least the good ones) are for the most part fictional in nature. I must have missed your outrage in the other forums when somebody posted a blonde joke (ie: calling blondes foolish or stupid), or outrage over something to do with Muslims. For your argument to hold water, certainly you would be policing the forums and alerting the webmaster to any post that could be potentionally offensive to other XI members (in the spirit of consistency of course).

 

You make no attempt to hide your feelings about American politics and gun ownership. How would you describe Americans who don't agree with your views about Americans? Foolish? Perhaps you're not saying it out loud but you certainly come across that way, and as foolish as your posts look to us simple minded, gun toting and God fearing Americans, you don't see us attempting to have any of your posts removed or changed to a forum that the majority of XI member don't read any longer.

 

So I'll repeat what I said earlier and what it says on the home page of this web site.

 

You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it.

[BigPapaDean]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

I have laughed at many jokes that make fun of christians. Remember we are all humans and we all do stupid and funny things and we all believe funny ideas so keeping that in mind I will laugh at meslef if what I do or say or believe is funny. I believe that's how any of us grow!

 

Astronomer at the risk of making you feel disrespected I ask this question. Why would you feel so defensive about being called a fool if you don't believe what the bible says anyway? You see just because we believe in the bible does not necessarily make it true does it? On the other hand just because you believe we are all ignorant because we believe in the bible does not make it right either does it? In essence the only way anyone can ever know what is true and real is by one event we will all face some day. That is to walk through the dorr we refer to as death! At that point every person will know what the REAL truth is. So I ask my question a gain, why does this offend you?

Edited December 21, 2012 by Bigmeandean

[Astronomer]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

 

 

>XI< Code of Conduct

 

 

 

XI is an adult clan with no prohibitions on use of language except for two primary rules: no racist remarks, and no personal attacks. You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it. If you believe someone has broken one of our rules, let an admin know and we will take action as needed. We also do not tolerate cheating or disrespect by members or guests, and insist on good sportsmanship. Violations can lead to permanent bans. We play for fun, we play with honor, and we strive to treat each other with respect and consideration. No one, member or guest, is above our Code.

 

 

...and last I heard, discussion of politics (banished to its own hidden corner) and religion are banned. With good reason. I recall a discussion on political candidate's faith getting shut down as disrespectful or divisive or somesuch. How is calling someone a fool for not being believing in what another group believes any different, hmmm?

 

I'm not actually all that sensitive, but there has to be some consistency, don't you think?

 

Wow, where do I start? How about determining if Atheism is a religion or not?

 

Atheism is the absence of god-belief. Atheism has no dogma, no rites, no holy books, no places of worship and no clergy of any description. It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view. It is not a religion. In effect, calling an atheist a fool doesn't fall under a religious or political discussion, although you're doing your best to turn it into one.

 

So, we've determined that the original post was a joke about an event that never happened. By design, most jokes (at least the good ones) are for the most part fictional in nature. I must have missed your outrage in the other forums when somebody posted a blonde joke (ie: calling blondes foolish or stupid), or outrage over something to do with Muslims. For your argument to hold water, certainly you would be policing the forums and alerting the webmaster to any post that could be potentionally offensive to other XI members (in the spirit of consistency of course).

 

You make no attempt to hide your feelings about American politics and gun ownership. How would you describe Americans who don't agree with your views about Americans? Foolish? Perhaps you're not saying it out loud but you certainly come across that way, and as foolish as your posts look to us simple minded, gun toting and God fearing Americans, you don't see us attempting to have any of your posts removed or changed to a forum that the majority of XI member don't read any longer.

 

So I'll repeat what I said earlier and what it says on the home page of this web site.

 

You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it.

 

OK big guy. You and I obviously don't see eye-to-eye on many most things, but your presumption on what I think about Americans as a generalization is so off-base as to be insulting. Do not presume to project your opinions of non-Americans and Liberals on me. Don't even go there. Your generalisations and assumptions are the ones that are foolish here, bud.

 

Your definition of Atheism/Secular Humanism/non-theism is dictionary correct until you got ton this part: "It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view" (I consider that willful flame-bait) but I will point put that all surveys of religious affiliation includes them, and their definition is in context and contrast with major religions and religious belief, and therefore must be afforded the same consideration that they ask - demand - in terms of respect.

 

FYI, Secular Humanism, or just Humanism:

 

"It posits that human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or a god. It does not, however, assume that humans are either inherently evil or innately good, nor does it present humans as being superior to nature. Rather, the humanist life stance emphasizes the unique responsibility facing humanity and the ethical consequences of human decisions. Fundamental to the concept of secular humanism is the strongly held viewpoint that ideology—be it religious or political—must be thoroughly examined by each individual and not simply accepted or rejected on faith. Along with this, an essential part of secular humanism is a continually adapting search for truth, primarily through science and philosophy. Many Humanists derive their moral codes from a philosophy of utilitarianism, ethical naturalism or evolutionary ethics, and some advocate a science of morality."

 

According to the Council for Secular Humanism, within the United States, the term "secular humanism" describes a world view with the following elements and principles:^[7]

• Need to test beliefs – A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted by faith.
  
• Reason, evidence, scientific method – A commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence and scientific method of inquiry in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.
  
• Fulfillment, growth, creativity – A primary concern with fulfillment, growth and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general.
  
• Search for truth – A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.
  
• This life – A concern for this life (as opposed to an afterlife) and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.
  
• Ethics – A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.
  
• Justice and fairness – an interest in securing justice and fairness in society and in eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
  
• Building a better world – A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.
  

My initial post here was intended to point out a double standard that exists and is accepted in society, and to point out that threads that were perceived to demean Christians were taken down that were far less baiting than the joke that started this. Note hat the "joke" was initially believed to be a report of an actual event.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Astronomer

[Astronomer]

So, how would you react and feel if someone posted a lame joke that called Christians fools? Probably the same way that I reacted and felt when I saw the lame joke that started this thread.

 

 

>XI< Code of Conduct

 

 

 

XI is an adult clan with no prohibitions on use of language except for two primary rules: no racist remarks, and no personal attacks. You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it. If you believe someone has broken one of our rules, let an admin know and we will take action as needed. We also do not tolerate cheating or disrespect by members or guests, and insist on good sportsmanship. Violations can lead to permanent bans. We play for fun, we play with honor, and we strive to treat each other with respect and consideration. No one, member or guest, is above our Code.

 

 

...and last I heard, discussion of politics (banished to its own hidden corner) and religion are banned. With good reason. I recall a discussion on political candidate's faith getting shut down as disrespectful or divisive or somesuch. How is calling someone a fool for not being believing in what another group believes any different, hmmm?

 

I'm not actually all that sensitive, but there has to be some consistency, don't you think?

 

Wow, where do I start? How about determining if Atheism is a religion or not?

 

Atheism is the absence of god-belief. Atheism has no dogma, no rites, no holy books, no places of worship and no clergy of any description. It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view. It is not a religion. In effect, calling an atheist a fool doesn't fall under a religious or political discussion, although you're doing your best to turn it into one.

 

So, we've determined that the original post was a joke about an event that never happened. By design, most jokes (at least the good ones) are for the most part fictional in nature. I must have missed your outrage in the other forums when somebody posted a blonde joke (ie: calling blondes foolish or stupid), or outrage over something to do with Muslims. For your argument to hold water, certainly you would be policing the forums and alerting the webmaster to any post that could be potentionally offensive to other XI members (in the spirit of consistency of course).

 

You make no attempt to hide your feelings about American politics and gun ownership. How would you describe Americans who don't agree with your views about Americans? Foolish? Perhaps you're not saying it out loud but you certainly come across that way, and as foolish as your posts look to us simple minded, gun toting and God fearing Americans, you don't see us attempting to have any of your posts removed or changed to a forum that the majority of XI member don't read any longer.

 

So I'll repeat what I said earlier and what it says on the home page of this web site.

 

You need to check your sensitive feelings at the door when you come here: if you don't like it, don't look at it or don't comment on it.

 

OK big guy. You and I obviously don't see eye-to-eye on many most things, but your presumption on what I think about Americans as a generalization is so off-base as to be insulting. Do not presume to project your opinions of non-Americans and Liberals on me. Don't even go there. Do not presume to speak for all American either, or all Conservatives for that matter , as you obviously consider Liberals and Progressives as un-American.. Your generalizations and assumptions are the ones that are foolish here, bud.

 

Your definition of Atheism/Secular Humanism/non-theism is dictionary correct until you got to this part: "It offers no moral guidance, no political opinions and no world view" (I consider that willful flame-bait) but I will point put that all surveys of religious affiliation includes them, and their definition is in context and contrast with major religions and religious belief, and therefore must be afforded the same consideration that they ask - demand - in terms of respect.

 

FYI, Secular Humanism, or just Humanism:

 

"It posits that human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or a god. It does not, however, assume that humans are either inherently evil or innately good, nor does it present humans as being superior to nature. Rather, the humanist life stance emphasizes the unique responsibility facing humanity and the ethical consequences of human decisions. Fundamental to the concept of secular humanism is the strongly held viewpoint that ideology—be it religious or political—must be thoroughly examined by each individual and not simply accepted or rejected on faith. Along with this, an essential part of secular humanism is a continually adapting search for truth, primarily through science and philosophy. Many Humanists derive their moral codes from a philosophy of utilitarianism, ethical naturalism or evolutionary ethics, and some advocate a science of morality."

 

According to the Council for Secular Humanism, within the United States, the term "secular humanism" describes a world view with the following elements and principles:^[7]

• Need to test beliefs – A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted by faith.
  
• Reason, evidence, scientific method – A commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence and scientific method of inquiry in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.
  
• Fulfillment, growth, creativity – A primary concern with fulfillment, growth and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general.
  
• Search for truth – A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.
  
• This life – A concern for this life (as opposed to an afterlife) and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.
  
• Ethics – A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.
  
• Justice and fairness – an interest in securing justice and fairness in society and in eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
  
• Building a better world – A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.
  

My initial post here was intended to point out a double standard that exists and is accepted in society, and to point out that threads that were perceived to demean Christians were taken down that were far less baiting than the joke that started this. Note that the "joke" was initially believed to be a report of an actual event.

Edited December 21, 2012 by Astronomer

[PimpedOutPete]

Drama! Ok, why dont you two meet at the bike rack at recess and have it out there..lol

[Bama]

I tire of this. Please, all those who wish to bait for rants, return to the political forum where the hunting is good.