sketch Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 19976 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 10 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 29 Achievement Points: 968 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/31/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 9, 2014 Birthday: 08/08/1949 Share Posted April 14, 2014 http://www.naturalnews.com/044698_American_Revolution_Bundy_Ranch_Battle_of_Bunkerville.html some amazing points are made here, if u read thru all of it! CobraBites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage_inc- Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 2048 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 294 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 6689 Content Per Day: 1.37 Reputation: 4709 Achievement Points: 48999 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/15/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 29, 2023 Birthday: 05/30/1967 Device: Windows Share Posted April 14, 2014 confusingto me .first of all what was there point/they felt there rites were violated because ....what did i miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14886 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7827 Achievement Points: 91090 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted April 14, 2014 Isn't this the same media outlet that make outlandish accusations and conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11, Sandy Hook, birthers, etc.. Just asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
HarryWeezer Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 20166 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 611 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 7652 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 7228 Achievement Points: 53663 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 36 Joined: 10/04/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 16 Birthday: 10/16/1946 Device: Windows Share Posted April 14, 2014 My take: Because it overreaches into our lives, cannot be trusted (as in the IRS targeting of conservative groups), and tramples our rights when convenient to some political purpose, the federal government has few friends among the citizenry. And so it's easy to sympathize with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is under siege from the Bureau of Land Management, and join the chorus protesting what they claim is yet more government thuggery. But the facts are often lost among emotional outcries in situations like this and they argue for Bundy’s arrest. If the BLM is to be faulted it should be for its failure to act sooner and more forcefully. Bundy grazes his cattle on federal land as do thousands of other ranchers who pay a relatively minor fee for that use of public property: $1.35 per month, per animal. That’s a great bargain, at the taxpayers’ expense. But 21 years ago, Bundy decided he’d rather pocket the fee and quit paying it. When challenged, Bundy said he didn’t have to pay the fee because his family has used the land for over 100 years. He said he “owned” the land, but that even if he didn’t own the land, the state, and not the federal government, owned it. Well, there are no squatter’s rights to federal land, and Bundy’s refusal to compensate the taxpayers for use of their land is no different from someone who decides to quit paying his income tax. Two federal court rulings side with the government, and Bundy was told any further grazing on public land would result in seizure of his livestock found there. We are a nation of laws, after all. Allowing Bundy to continue to break them invites every other rancher to follow suit. KingStinger!, 1lost1, spinpuppy and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
djMot Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 3189 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 94 Topic Count: 355 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 5234 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 11106 Achievement Points: 48754 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 112 Joined: 02/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: 10 hours ago Birthday: 12/24/1957 Device: Windows Share Posted April 14, 2014 I got to this passage (near the top)... You are watching history unfold in real time now, and of course the lamestream media has intentionally decided U.S. history isn't worth covering because, frankly stated, the media is largely run by anti-American interests who absolutely do not want any victory by the People to be broadcast anywhere. ...and decided this was all a huge load of bullshit, bullshit reporting, or any combination thereof. Not worth the bandwidth to get it to me. DuckyofDeath123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
sketch Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 19976 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 10 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 101 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 29 Achievement Points: 968 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/31/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: September 9, 2014 Birthday: 08/08/1949 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) the feds,and fed reserve, re:taxes, is whats a load of BS, heres NO legal basis for collecting a dime, yet we continue to do so, like a bunch of a-h's. the point is that we as peeps have the numbers, to stop police state, we are becoming. the 'feds' blacked out cells and airspace, & told the lamestream press not to cover it, so they didnt (save fox) the drudges, and http://www.infowars.com/, etc etc... ARE the only real objective/thinking/reporting truths out there. CNN & ABC< MSNBC..are bought and paid for...not the way things should be...press must be free, open, and investigative. Is this even USA anymore? Waco, and 911, and MANY more etc, are black flags, (I live near NYC) the immense crap handed out should outrage us! We cant seem to think anymore. In one aspect of 911, the 40, 6 inch think I-beams, should still be standing. Nothing even close could do that as represented. Ive been a pilot since 1969, and a master welder... thats my accounting, but theres far more....if one is open. What flight # hit the pentagon? what airline? what passengers were killed? NONE! clean wreckage from various aircrafts were on the lawn ...the next day....freedom aint free, we need to take action,as in this case via the net, when shit like this happens Im sure ur busy mot, read on passed the first few lines, b4 making judgement..or continue ignorant....u choose it dude Edited April 14, 2014 by sketch spinpuppy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_old_man Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted April 14, 2014 TBB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
7Toes Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 87 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 57 Topic Count: 98 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3789 Content Per Day: 0.71 Reputation: 3589 Achievement Points: 27249 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 7 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2022 Birthday: 04/02/1871 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) federal land is our land the federal government works for us not the other way a round,so federal land is actually public lands....this should spread to show the government who they actually work for period.....that's why they backed off as not to make a big fuss over it and people starting to wise up about our government......millionaires for billionaires just do a goggle search on the average congress or senate wealth 99% are millionaires.oh know don't get me started i will shut up now Edited April 14, 2014 by 7toes_ky JohnnyDos, spinpuppy, KingStinger! and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted April 14, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Well if it's public land free for all Americans to use, what's to stop other ranchers from taking another big heard of cattle down to the same place this guy has his cattle and letting them graze there too until all of the cows over-graze the land and make it useless? I mean based on this guys argument, I should be able to drive over to Nevada with my 30.06 and slaughter a few of his cows to feed my family. Right? If "we the people" own the land and have the right to do whatever we want on it, there should be no regulations against hunting his cows on it. There is no revolution starting. This guy's father made a deal with the feds to graze his cattle on federal land, and the rancher has been trying to change the rules of the original agreement. Getting all of the "states rights" people to back him on this issue is a joke. deerejon, HarryWeezer, Hemps and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Leadfinger Posted April 15, 2014 Member ID: 4888 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 56 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2020 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 3795 Achievement Points: 26312 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/12/13 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 29, 2023 Birthday: 08/29/1962 Device: Windows Share Posted April 15, 2014 My take: Because it overreaches into our lives, cannot be trusted (as in the IRS targeting of conservative groups), and tramples our rights when convenient to some political purpose, the federal government has few friends among the citizenry. And so it's easy to sympathize with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is under siege from the Bureau of Land Management, and join the chorus protesting what they claim is yet more government thuggery. But the facts are often lost among emotional outcries in situations like this and they argue for Bundy’s arrest. If the BLM is to be faulted it should be for its failure to act sooner and more forcefully. Bundy grazes his cattle on federal land as do thousands of other ranchers who pay a relatively minor fee for that use of public property: $1.35 per month, per animal. That’s a great bargain, at the taxpayers’ expense. But 21 years ago, Bundy decided he’d rather pocket the fee and quit paying it. When challenged, Bundy said he didn’t have to pay the fee because his family has used the land for over 100 years. He said he “owned” the land, but that even if he didn’t own the land, the state, and not the federal government, owned it. Well, there are no squatter’s rights to federal land, and Bundy’s refusal to compensate the taxpayers for use of their land is no different from someone who decides to quit paying his income tax. Two federal court rulings side with the government, and Bundy was told any further grazing on public land would result in seizure of his livestock found there. We are a nation of laws, after all. Allowing Bundy to continue to break them invites every other rancher to follow suit. Nice clear explanation of the facts well done Mr Weezer. Whereas I am very cautious of the actions of our current president and his administration I don't feel like the federal government is out of line here. Like LOM stated this guys dad made a deal with the Gov. and now he wants to default and not pay the bill . . . .it just doesn't work that way. This Bundy guy needs to snap out of it and pay up or shut up. Flaming the fire of government wrongdoing in this case is a waste of time and the people or oranizations that are behind this should save their resources for a battle that can be won and we know that the Gov will accomidate them soon enough. ANGU5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
SS VonDrake Posted April 15, 2014 Member ID: 3466 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 69 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 30 Achievement Points: 552 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/23/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 28, 2015 Birthday: 08/11/1953 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The reason the so called gov. backed off was this country still believes in OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE NOT: of the gov by the gov and do as your tolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_old_man Posted April 15, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The reason the so called gov. backed off was this country still believes in OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE NOT: of the gov by the gov and do as your tolled. Really? Or, just perhaps they didn't want to have to get into a gun fight over a bunch of cows. Kind of the same reason cops will sometimes stop chasing a car before somebody gets killed. Leadfinger, Astronomer, HarryWeezer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
JohnnyDos Posted April 15, 2014 Member ID: 77 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 111 Topic Count: 1018 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 7527 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 9175 Achievement Points: 69486 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 47 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 8, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) LOM you're funny,how in the hell do you hunt cows?Must be challenging LOL.Do you get the guys from "Duck Dynasty" to create a cow call.Does it sound like this: Did you ever own one of these: Edited April 15, 2014 by JohnnyDos little_old_man, djMot, Leadfinger and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPapaDean Posted April 15, 2014 Member ID: 1128 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 78 Topic Count: 1197 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 6521 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 4407 Achievement Points: 63389 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 5 Joined: 02/13/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: Yesterday at 01:44 AM Birthday: 10/21/1954 Device: Windows Share Posted April 15, 2014 What is right is right and will always be right! Now if you are confused so are a whole lot of others with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
little_old_man Posted April 24, 2014 Member ID: 1194 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 40 Topic Count: 436 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 6692 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 11691 Achievement Points: 53094 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 76 Joined: 02/27/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 16, 2023 Birthday: 04/15/1960 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Here is the latest on this douche bag. All of the politicians who backed what he was doing are now trying to distance themselves from him because of these comments he made in an interview. http://www.nbcnews.com/#/politics/politics-news/gop-scrambles-condemn-ranchers-remarks-race-n88556 “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” So do some of you still think this guy is starting a revolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
CobraBites Posted April 24, 2014 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) My take: Because it overreaches into our lives, cannot be trusted (as in the IRS targeting of conservative groups), and tramples our rights when convenient to some political purpose, the federal government has few friends among the citizenry. And so it's easy to sympathize with Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is under siege from the Bureau of Land Management, and join the chorus protesting what they claim is yet more government thuggery. But the facts are often lost among emotional outcries in situations like this and they argue for Bundy’s arrest. If the BLM is to be faulted it should be for its failure to act sooner and more forcefully. Bundy grazes his cattle on federal land as do thousands of other ranchers who pay a relatively minor fee for that use of public property: $1.35 per month, per animal. That’s a great bargain, at the taxpayers’ expense. But 21 years ago, Bundy decided he’d rather pocket the fee and quit paying it. When challenged, Bundy said he didn’t have to pay the fee because his family has used the land for over 100 years. He said he “owned” the land, but that even if he didn’t own the land, the state, and not the federal government, owned it. Well, there are no squatter’s rights to federal land, and Bundy’s refusal to compensate the taxpayers for use of their land is no different from someone who decides to quit paying his income tax. Two federal court rulings side with the government, and Bundy was told any further grazing on public land would result in seizure of his livestock found there. We are a nation of laws, after all. Allowing Bundy to continue to break them invites every other rancher to follow suit. actually some where in the government law....not sure where too lazy to look it up..is that if u workd on the land and stuff like that it was common law that you ownd it and that was pre BLM era....but civil unrest in the US is at hand...this is only the begining it will happen whether ppl believe it or not..but dont say i didnt tell you so when ur locked away in fema camp somewhere lol...US will destroy ourselves and when not IF they dollar collapse its def the beginning of the end Edited April 24, 2014 by CobraBites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraBites Posted April 24, 2014 Member ID: 2313 Group: Fallen Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 330 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 4924 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 3034 Achievement Points: 33897 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 03/19/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 2, 2017 Birthday: 05/26/1974 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted April 24, 2014 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yup I saw the comments the guy made today. It's not good for his supporters. They want to support the anti-gov thing but dont want to support him. How much of his problem is due to a black man being president giving orders when he says he would be better off still being a slave? He should have kept his big mouth shut. Instead he just handed a nice little political issue to politicians running against his supporters that are now quickly trying to distance themselves from him. I guess it would be no different than a democrat supporting some guy that later makes stupid comments about 'crackers'. CobraBites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14886 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7827 Achievement Points: 91090 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Good grief, This guy has been a fixture, frontpage of Fox News and Hannity for days on end and then he makes incredibly racist comments as he did, where are they? Take a look at Fox today? From front page to completely barried. Bundy may have an argument with the government, but its hard to listen to someone who is wearing a while pillow case on thier head.. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/24/politicians-denounce-bundys-racist-remarks/?hpt=hp_t1 Edited April 25, 2014 by PimpedOutPete LandShark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Sammy Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 3036 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 31 Topic Count: 219 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 9419 Content Per Day: 2.07 Reputation: 7515 Achievement Points: 62539 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 21 Joined: 11/29/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 30, 2023 Birthday: 04/26/2008 Device: Windows Share Posted April 25, 2014 I wonder what that liberal Jon Stewart will be saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14886 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7827 Achievement Points: 91090 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted April 25, 2014 Most likely made some political joke about a sad excuse for a person.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
deerejon Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 842 Group: *** Clan Members Followers: 62 Topic Count: 278 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 3712 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 3150 Achievement Points: 28451 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 30 Birthday: 05/04/1965 Device: Windows Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Its more nonsense...Bundy don't want to pay taxes and the government is in enforcement mode...what the scary part is that the BLM didn't call on the local police, state police, national guard....whatever...they rolled in with their own SWAT team.....hmmm...that got me thinking....turns out agencies like the Dept of Education and the EPA and even NOAA (the weather agency) have military arms....and have stockpiled 100's of 1000's of rounds of ammo and have budgets for military hardware. Now what does NOAA needs with a SWAT team??? To me this is alarming ( I am so far from a conspiracy theorist its not even funny) Who knows....but I will make a plan and continue with my life hoping to never have to use it.... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/armed-epa-agents-in-alaska-shed-light-on-70-fed-agencies-with-armed-divisions/ Edited April 25, 2014 by deerejon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
LandShark Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 698 Group: ***- Inactive Clan Members Followers: 26 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1145 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 782 Achievement Points: 7232 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 2, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2014 It's sad that before people rally around someone, they don't take the time to get to KNOW who he is. Totally agree with Pete's comment. The guy is a bigot. Haters always tend to draw quick crowds, but their message (no matter how well planned) goes back to who they really are. This guy is not a revolutionary, he has been stealing land for years. Our country is need of leadership, but this guy isn't it. Leadfinger, HarryWeezer and PimpedOutPete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
PimpedOutPete Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 174 Group: +++ COD2 Head Admin Followers: 129 Topic Count: 387 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 14886 Content Per Day: 2.78 Reputation: 7827 Achievement Points: 91090 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 52 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: 3 hours ago Birthday: 04/23/1970 Device: Windows Share Posted April 25, 2014 The shame is this is an issue, government overreach. The problem is this isn't the guy to rally around. He has been a freeloader for 20 years. He has had several court injunctions against him during that span but still be persists. Him being a racists only makes people look like fools for like what Landshark said, you have to make sure you know whom you are supporting before you lend your name to their cause.. Bad situation. LandShark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Awards
Tball Posted April 25, 2014 Member ID: 112 Group: **- Inactive Registered Users Followers: 2 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1132 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 228 Achievement Points: 6975 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/02/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 3, 2015 Birthday: 10/09/1960 Share Posted April 25, 2014 This is no revolution poor excuse for a bunch of rednecks to gather. But there will be a revolution in this country but its not going to come from an unorganized bunch like that. PimpedOutPete and Leadfinger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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