Too many nukes in mw2 ftag

[CobraBites]

i dont know about most...but to me all these mini nukes kinda getn boring and is ruining the game for me.....just ppl getn way too many....i ve seen players like tagger boobies exe and few others...that have gotten 4 in one map....i think mostly its due to the re roll option of the care packages wish this could change....2 maps so far today i played in row....i saw ateast 6 mini nukes 4 on just one map...really feel this needs to change to bring back the fun in the game..atleast for me anyways..

Edited June 23, 2014 by CobraBites

[J3st3r]

I got 1 yesterday and I used it accidentally.(my fat cat jumped on my lap) and it killed me and no one else

 

 

<3 the reroll thingy but I ALWAYS get a Sam Turrent or Ammo or a RC Car or a UAV Jammer.

 

 

The Amount of fucking RC CARS now ingame is Driving me INSANE!!!  I don't mind the nukes when I'm dieing 20 times and 19 of them are from RC cars.

 

 

The Kill Streak perk makes it so you get an RC at 2 kills and then you go blow someone up with it and shoot 1 person and get another RC car then they get ANOTHER RC CAR from a Care Package.OMG FUCK OFF RC CARS lol.Then that fucking Cobra Knifes me in the back. I'll get ya for that ya fucker. :devil:

[Sammy]

Mininukes in carepackages have a 3 in 100 chance. In any case this is why you only get 3 streaks instead of all of them. It is also why streaks do not count towards streaks. I have seen other mods that dont have these limitations and its pure mayhem. Think its bad here? Go play one of those and you will quickly change your mind.

[CobraBites]

its the re roll allowing ppl to get them faster....just way to many mini in game...like i said earlier 2 maps 6 mini nukes .that just way too many

[Sammy]

RC cars in this server more often that not just get one kill, Much of the time they get none at all if there are a lot of people to defrost obviously. Getting just 1 kill from a streak is pretty bad really. Especially since you only get three choices. Might as well save that one for something higher if you want multikills. Getting an RC means it is less likely someone will get both a mininuke and Duke. More likely they will choose an RC, airstrike/artillery/sentry, and just one of the high level streaks.

 

Considering there is the jammer, armor, emp, low health (default 50 points) and its pretty loud there are plenty of counters to it. They are hard to get due to their speed but sentries target them as well.

[J3st3r]

I got 3 Dukes in 1 map re-rolling packages but used them to run around and Thaw ppl.We were getting our asses kicked.

 

 

Some people just have better luck getting Nukes and others have better luck getting AGMs like Gooney lastnight he had 3 AGMs in 2 rounds.

[Wild Fire]

I have a good run on nukes lately. Always more fun to give than receive.

[Sammy]

Three Dukes from care packages? The odds getting that award are 1 in 50 for the care package. 1 in 40 for the strike package.

[CobraBites]

its the re roll ...it changes those odds but i have got agm 3 x in row b4 too also got mini nuke and ac130 twice in row...and i dont even use re roll

[CobraBites]

i aslo too have gotten  duke nukem twice in row not using re roll

[Sammy]

There is only one randomizer for care pacakage awards. It is used for both the first award and reroll.

[iFlysoHi]

I find rc cars more of a annoyance than nukes.

[J3st3r]

I find rc cars more of a annoyance than nukes.

 

 

Me 2 and !fu Fly fucker lol

[FRENCHI]

I'm not at all agree with cobra. I think that as tagger or player exe have nuke after a large number of kill. And I think having the opportunity to have nuke when your team loses, makes it possible to reverse the situation and I find it very funny ... I m here for fun, not to finish first. J would like to say that we are not the war on cod 4, but we play .... 

IDIOT: COBRA ...... LOL

 

 

je ne suis pas du tout d'accord avec cobra. Je pense que des joueur comme tagger ou exe ont des nuke aprés un grand nombre de kill . Et je trouve que avoir la possibilité d avoir des nuke alors que ton équipe perd , permet d inverser la situation et je trouve ça trés drole ... Je suis içi pour m amusé , pas pour finir premier . J aimerai dire que nous ne somme pas la guerre sur cod 4 , mais que nous jouons ....

IDIOT : COBRA  ...... LOL 

[FRENCHI]

I'm not at all agree with cobra. I think that as tagger or player exe have nuke after a large number of kill. And I think having the opportunity to have nuke when your team loses, makes it possible to reverse the situation and I find it very funny ... I m here for fun, not to finish first. J would like to say that we are not the war on cod 4, but we play .... 

IDIOT: COBRA ...... LOL

[Tim]

I partially agree with cobra.

Got 2 nukes in one match once, but that was only because i used hardline, got over 10 carepackages and rerolled most of them (giving me 20 chances of getting a mininuke). Maybe the chance of getting a nuke from a basic carepackage can be reduced a little from 3/100 to 2/100?

[KingStinger!]

To many nukes? When my care package is falling my fingers toes and nuts are crossed hoping for one but never get one lol. How can there be to many. All I wanna do is nuke your ass Cobra lol

[iboomboom]

I like the mini nukes and the full-tactical nukes as well. It makes the game more exciting for me. I don't use care packages but I have gotten 3 mini nukes in one map through kill streaks. Doesn't happen too often, as you really really need to hold your ground to get them. Full nukes are now at 20 kills, I wish they were still at 16 kills though. It makes more logical sense due to team size to have them at 16 than 20. If you kill all but one then you have to wait for them to defrost to get 4 more kills. In the mean time, a fucking RC will most likely come and kill you. I hate dying at my 18  or 19 kill streak -- just my personal rant.

 

So far, I have only gotten 1 tactical nuke through kill streak. Mexican, got one the other day from an Attack Care package. 

 

There are things we like and dislike about the game, and the game play of other players but we have to keep it so most enjoy their time on the server. I don't enjoy camping maps, where its all about picking off runners from a slit of a window. Then again, there are players who enjoy slow paced game play. All I am saying is not everyone can be happy all the time, we have an excellent mod.

 

If I were to suggest fixes....

 

- No more player body protruding through roofs or walls ( That's most likely the game engine not the mod)

- Wall spamming with armor piercing - I am guilty of this, I see someone through a window or run-in a building I approximate their location and start spamming backwards but I think its not good game play

- Helmets, fucking helmet bullshit - this is hardcore - Stick a semtex to someone, or blow up a RC, or head shot they should die, not turn around and shoot u.

- Invisible walls in maps, what fuck is that non-sense?

- Falling off the map - Some times I go exploring a map or while driving an RC and jumping at high speed I would fall of the map, from under a bridge, a high roof or some random corner in a building

 

There are more but these are from top of head.

 

ciao!

Edited June 24, 2014 by iboomboom

[Sammy]

In the couple games I spec'ed this afternoon I saw many packages but only saw one mininuke. It got 3 or 4 people. Saw a few Reapers. One or two carpet bomb strikes. One ac130. A couple artillery strikes. Lots of cars obviously. Dont know how many were from care packages. Things seem pretty balanced to me but I will go through the math again to make sure there isnt anything affecting randomness. I added a game log entry to add all care package awards and will keep an eye on it.

 

Given the fact that pretty much only those with low awards reroll to get higher awards there is a greater chance if getting something in the 5-6 kill range or more. They give up some pretty good perks to get the opportunity. So the question is, to get a reroll would you give up stopping power? Or Stealth? Or fast reload? Also considering that kills whie having those streaks increase streaks but hardpoint weapons do not?

[Sammy]

Going to be tweaking the numbers but bounties will help deal with excessive camping. I know some people wont like it but the numbers will be such that you will really have to stick in one area for a reasonable amount of time before it kicks in.

 

Correct, protruding through walls is a game thing. Walls are usually aligned to the ^2 game grid based on game standards. 64/128/256 units etc. Guns will protrude from player collision boxes. So even when touching a wall some guns, like snipers, will show. Often the ones that take advantage of this are hackers. Remember that the sentryguns in MW2 had a glitch that allowed them to be placed in walls. Which is why in the mod they drop at the exact spot you are standing, like weapon drops, not in front of you.

 

Wall spamming is part of the game.

 

Armor... see my comparison to condoms. Best way to explain it.

 

Invisible walls, gotta complain to the map makers about that.

 

Unfortunately because people want high speed cars, and the ability to jump/climb, falling cannot be fixed. Usually hitting the ground under the map will kill you if its low enough. But again fall height on this server was made really large so there will be issues such as yours and glitchers firing under maps. Wells and such generally have trigger-hurt areas where if you touch it you are dead. However I will do some testing and see what I can do. I need to be able to fall under a map however so if anyone knows of a map where its easy to do this, and where, let me know.

[iboomboom]

Going to be tweaking the numbers but bounties will help deal with excessive camping. I know some people wont like it but the numbers will be such that you will really have to stick in one area for a reasonable amount of time before it kicks in.

 

Correct, protruding through walls is a game thing. Walls are usually aligned to the ^2 game grid based on game standards. 64/128/256 units etc. Guns will protrude from player collision boxes. So even when touching a wall some guns, like snipers, will show. Often the ones that take advantage of this are hackers. Remember that the sentryguns in MW2 had a glitch that allowed them to be placed in walls. Which is why in the mod they drop at the exact spot you are standing, like weapon drops, not in front of you.

 

Wall spamming is part of the game.

 

Armor... see my comparison to condoms. Best way to explain it.

 

Invisible walls, gotta complain to the map makers about that.

 

Unfortunately because people want high speed cars, and the ability to jump/climb, falling cannot be fixed. Usually hitting the ground under the map will kill you if its low enough. But again fall height on this server was made really large so there will be issues such as yours and glitchers firing under maps. Wells and such generally have trigger-hurt areas where if you touch it you are dead. However I will do some testing and see what I can do. I need to be able to fall under a map however so if anyone knows of a map where its easy to do this, and where, let me know.

 

I like that we can fall of pretty high places and not die. Also, the car speed is fine. It's not too common next time I will try to remember the map name. 

 

Sentry guns right now can be placed in mid-air. I don't have a preference either way but is that how its supposed to be? It can become hard to kill it, especially since semtex doesn't attach to it.

[Sammy]

You mean if a player jumps off a building or something like that? No that shouldnt happen. There should be a check that makes sure you are touching the ground. Like activating the RC. Maybe I missed something. Semtex should attach as well as the Crossbow bolts. I will check to be sure.

 

I must say that so far the bounty system is doing exactly what it is supposed to. If you camp occasionally then all it might do is give some extra points to whoever gets you. Otherwise you are unaffected. But do it too much and you get marked. I know that sometimes you have to stay in one place to avoid being fired on. So Im stil working on the numbers. However by far most of the time its the real campers that are affected by this because if someone is shooting at you then your immediate reaction would be to get out of Dodge. And yes, hiding under something and looking straight ahead for someone to walk in front of your sights is camping. Staying in one small spot with a scar-h is camping. Get an M21. Even so, say you are on the second floor of a building with an MP5. Just move around now and then instead of being a potted plant and constantly looking out the same window.

 

I will be adding exceptions such as standing while defrosting. Not sure how I will handle that yet. Also, if you are the last player your bounty will not go up. But you will retain whatever you already have.

[Scoarch]

I do not understand the complaints of wall spamming.  If i was in a real situation were i had to defend or die i would not hesitate to shoot some one through a wall. and the complaints that are said about no way he should have shot me.  there was a wall there do not add up.  

a bullet will pass through the siding , 2 layers of ply and the insulation of a exterior wall easily.  the inside is usually just two layers of drywall.   a good pellet gun will pass through that.

[CobraBites]

Going to be tweaking the numbers but bounties will help deal with excessive camping. I know some people wont like it but the numbers will be such that you will really have to stick in one area for a reasonable amount of time before it kicks in.

 

Correct, protruding through walls is a game thing. Walls are usually aligned to the ^2 game grid based on game standards. 64/128/256 units etc. Guns will protrude from player collision boxes. So even when touching a wall some guns, like snipers, will show. Often the ones that take advantage of this are hackers. Remember that the sentryguns in MW2 had a glitch that allowed them to be placed in walls. Which is why in the mod they drop at the exact spot you are standing, like weapon drops, not in front of you.

 

Wall spamming is part of the game.

 

Armor... see my comparison to condoms. Best way to explain it.

 

Invisible walls, gotta complain to the map makers about that.

 

Unfortunately because people want high speed cars, and the ability to jump/climb, falling cannot be fixed. Usually hitting the ground under the map will kill you if its low enough. But again fall height on this server was made really large so there will be issues such as yours and glitchers firing under maps. Wells and such generally have trigger-hurt areas where if you touch it you are dead. However I will do some testing and see what I can do. I need to be able to fall under a map however so if anyone knows of a map where its easy to do this, and where, let me know.

i get more mini nukes in packages more than i get agm and ac130.....but get like helmets and resupply like 4 or 5 packages rt in a row

[Rascal]

I don't know if people have complained about this or not, but I cannot stand the stupid bounties you get for "camping". I use quotes because if I'm standing in one point to defrost two or three people, I'll get a bounty. If I am sniping or sitting in a spot close to their spawn, I'll get a bounty. Even if I move around slightly, I still get a damn bounty. I only played for about 20 minutes and got about 10-15 of them. It takes away from so many people's play styles and make it less fun. I left the server because it was so annoying. The message that pops up takes up too much room on my screen, the sound is annoying. I asked people on my team if they enjoyed it and no one did. I don't understand why we are adding so many things to the mod. 

 

I am not trying to be rude by any means but when it takes away from the fun of the game, it's hard not to be. 

 

Edit: I read your note on the purpose of the 'bounty' and I do not agree with some of the reasons. 

For example, if I were to sneak across to the opposing team's spawn and sit and hide someone and spawn kill, that is considered camping, but that's how many people play and part of the freeze tag mod. 

Edited June 25, 2014 by Rascal