Redirected with a mini nuke

[Blaze]

What the actual fuck! 

[loaderXI]

Sounds like bad timing at its worst .......Hope you finally got to drop it on someones head 

[Nisty*]

Awww. That's a bummer lol. Hope soon you won't get redirected! I understand it will get on your nerves. Yer on e unlucky bugger

[Blaze]

First decent care package for ages too. Normally get UAV's and reroll to a Counter UAV! lol

[StormCrow]

Bwaaaahahahahahahahahahaahaha Sucker

 

 

 

sorry, couldnt help it, not really sorry actually laughed out loud... sucker!

[Nisty*]

There's nothing that doesn't excite you is there @@StormCrow

Edited March 9, 2015 by Nisty*

[Sammy]

I apologize for that. Unfortunately the biggest problem with redirects like this is how the game resets things in between map rotations. Many things start off at 0 again. Round changes are ok tho. This can certainly cause some unfair calculations on who to boot. There might be a way around this and I am testing it out for beta 4 to see if it works and retains a couple data types. However in the end the only way to be sure is when its online on a consistently full server. One or two mod problems that are real head scratchers to figure out first.

[Blaze]

No apology needed, I have no problem being redirected for members and I would be laughing my ass off had it happened to someone else.

 

On updating the redirect calculations:

It would be interesting to see if there was a way to check for 999 pings to boot first. (Clan members should not be excluded from this search)

 

Maybe a calculation including distance travelled and deaths/melts ratio would be nice, because lets face it.... if you aren't moving and you're dying more than your melting, you can go to the quiet corner and think about your actions.

 

If I can help in any way, I would be happy to.

[iboomboom]

I had worked up to a mini nuke and 2 seconds later the server was rebooted. it pissed me off plenty.

[Sammy]

Wish the game did ping checks during a match. Only PB can do that with lost packets or things like that. PB does not count people downloading, who are 999, unless the download itself times out.

[NITRO]

On updating the redirect calculations:

It would be interesting to see if there was a way to check for 999 pings to boot first. (Clan members should not be excluded from this search)

 

Maybe a calculation including distance travelled and deaths/melts ratio would be nice, because lets face it.... if you aren't moving and you're dying more than your melting, you can go to the quiet corner and think about your actions.

 

Admins kick for 999 because sometimes the player lags out for a bit then comes normal again. Leaving this kick up to admins gives the player a minute or two to sort their shit out before being removed. In most cases they come right for the rest of the match.

 

We don't kick people just because they are not as good as other players eg lots of deaths low defrost. If the person is actually trying it would be unfair to kick them IMO.

 

If they are just camping in the corner not attempting to defrost or help the team at all then that is a different story altogether.

[Blaze]

I agree Nitro, the distance inclusion would help keep people who are trying from being kicked. If they are running around but not doing well, they'll stay in longer than an ask who is getting shot all the time.

[Sammy]

Cant be unfair to snipers that dont move much. Or give advantages to those that do nothing but run and gun spraying everything in sight. Or be unfair to people that get frozen all the time. Also, if one side is dominating... given equal number of kills/deaths... then they have to run much farther to get to the action. Had the same problem with score based checks. Teams dominating the other, continually spawn killing, will rack up the points quickly. Only fair thing to do in freezetag with forced start spawns was time played and nothing else. But map rotation screwed with that.

[Blaze]

Yes, what I am suggesting is that all those things taken into account would exclude snipers and noobs from being redirected. If you are a sniper not moving, but you are melting teammates and not getting killed loads, you would not be high up on the redirect list. If you are sat there not moving and not melting, you would get moved.

 I only chose those criteria because they are already measured by the game and can be used together to seperate afk'ers from snipers, noobs from non melters.

[Gatorgirl]

lol, how about you send me some cash money and maybe you won't get redirected anymore......just say'n.....lol  

[Sammy]

We tried the weighted stuff also. But then the question becomes what is more important than what. Is time played more important than score? The same? Should people that snipe with a G3 style weapon or an M16 be considered snipers? Should range be a factor so short to medium distance sniper shots are counted as an assault rifle? How about people with an M40 that run around quick scoping everybody?

 

All totally subjective and whatever weighted balance I figure out people are going to be happy or unhappy and then complain about it. Not going to do that again.

[Blaze]

I think I'm not getting my point across adequately, sorry.

 

Snipers only came up because a redirect algorithm including distance travelled would potentially pick on snipers unfairly. This is why the melting side of it would help stop this.

 

The other way to automatically kick afkers would be to have it run a check on distance travelled each round. If someone's distance travelled is the same as last round, they were afk.

[Goon]

Admins kick for 999 because sometimes the player lags out for a bit then comes normal again. Leaving this kick up to admins gives the player a minute or two to sort their shit out before being removed. In most cases they come right for the rest of the match.

 

We don't kick people just because they are not as good as other players eg lots of deaths low defrost. If the person is actually trying it would be unfair to kick them IMO.

 

If they are just camping in the corner not attempting to defrost or help the team at all then that is a different story altogether.

why is it fair to kick players for having a different game style? i love sniping on maps and if it means i cant defrost then thats what it means. still helping the team just not defrosting as i wouldnt want to be caught

[Blaze]

Whatever kit you choose, If you aren't melting on a FT server.... you're playing the wrong game type.

[Sammy]

And there is the point. Different people have different opinions and there is no right or wrong. But it does mean having to make choices. As always those choices are going to make some people unhappy. In any case I am of the generation that believes nothing will ever replace having good admins making such decisions. No code or system will ever come close and it is better to leave judgement calls to them.

[NITRO]

why is it fair to kick players for having a different game style? i love sniping on maps and if it means i cant defrost then thats what it means. still helping the team just not defrosting as i wouldnt want to be caught

Defrosting is a major part of the freezetag mod and an essential part of ensuring your teams success for the round.

 

Players who decide that they only want to kill and not be a team player by helping out your team mates and actively defrosting will be warned a couple of times to participate before being kicked from the server.

 

This is just how it is. It's not about your game style, we have plenty of snipers who also actively defrost. You get more points for a defrost than a kill. This highlights the importance of defrosting. People can and have won maps with no kills whatsoever.

 

The ones who play for themselves more than the team usually are the last to get frozen, then they have to break their cover anyway to try and defrost someone, then get killed in the process and the team losses the round. If the player had broken cover earlier to defrost it could have had an opposite effect on how the round played out.

 

We encourage players to play the mods we have on offer as they were designed to be played and players not following this ideal are not being team players and will be warned.

 

It's never personal or about your game style, it's about playing the mod properly.

 

Hope this clarifies it for you.

[iboomboom]

Or use /enable auto_defrost_all_friendlies 1, true story!

[NITRO]

Or use /enable auto_defrost_all_friendlies 1, true story!

Lol

[Blaze]

Could it be possible to drop a collected killstreak for a teammate? I would have much preferred to drop it rather than it be lost into the ether.

[Nisty*]

Defrosting is a major part of the freezetag mod and an essential part of ensuring your teams success for the round.

Players who decide that they only want to kill and not be a team player by helping out your team mates and actively defrosting will be warned a couple of times to participate before being kicked from the server.

This is just how it is. It's not about your game style, we have plenty of snipers who also actively defrost. You get more points for a defrost than a kill. This highlights the importance of defrosting. People can and have won maps with no kills whatsoever.

The ones who play for themselves more than the team usually are the last to get frozen, then they have to break their cover anyway to try and defrost someone, then get killed in the process and the team losses the round. If the player had broken cover earlier to defrost it could have had an opposite effect on how the round played out.

We encourage players to play the mods we have on offer as they were designed to be played and players not following this ideal are not being team players and will be warned.

It's never personal or about your game style, it's about playing the mod properly.

Hope this clarifies it for you.

I do have to say.. When I see a teammate isn't defrosting, or has very few assist compared to his kills.. I tell him/her to start defrosting. 8 out of 10 times I get bitched at for it by those players. It makes me not want to thaw them, but I won't go to that level because then the whole point of freezetag will be lost. It is very frustrating if a teammate just runs past you and/or doesn't keep an eye on the minimap!

Edited March 13, 2015 by Nisty*